Why is it bad to conduct an investigation? Civilians have died, it's a serious incident, a neutral inquiry should be conducted to see if errors have been made.
Actually, I think the IDF would be far more "neutral" than the idiots at the UN..... (not saying the IDF would be neutral at all..... if you get my meaning)
Just wondering. Did you call for an investgigation when terrorists killed 80 people in the house of worship in Pakistan?
Did you call for an investigation when Iran murdered it's own citizens for demonstrating? If not, why not.
I always find it odd how if you say any other country did something wrong, it's acceptable, but when you say that Israel might have acted in a less than ideal manor, you are anti-Israel and anti-Jew.
Why do you think the UN would be less neutral?
Exactly. I think that the pro-Israel side of the on-going discussion has done a very good job of clinging to and amplifying the victimhood of the Jewish people in history and tying that to Israel as a nation. And it has been done in such a way as to invoke anti-Semitism sentiments as a condemnation for even thinking to question Israel let alone criticize it.
Frankly, at this point, the questions of historical victimization of the Jewish people and of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are separate issues, entirely. They have nothing to do with each other.
I have to respectfully disagree on this point. The Jewish people do not rejoice that their history is filled with these tragedies. Israel was borne out of their experience in Europe in the 20th century.
Not sure what you think the alternative should be for the Jews in Israel. They will not allow themselves to be walked into the ovens that Europe gave them, they will not try and go back to ME countries that expelled them.
I have to respectfully disagree on this point. The Jewish people do not rejoice that their history is filled with these tragedies. Israel was borne out of their experience in Europe in the 20th century.
Not sure what you think the alternative should be for the Jews in Israel. They will not allow themselves to be walked into the ovens that Europe gave them, they will not try and go back to ME countries that expelled them.
I didn't once say anything about forgetting the tragedies and atrocities that happened to the Jewish people. Nor did I make any attempt to paint their remembrance as a celebration of those tragedies. However, the invocation of these events as a means of shutting down debate about the Israel/Palestine conflict or any question of Israel at all is tiresome, cheap and classless at this point. The chances of another country making confections of starving and beaten Jews in giant ovens is almost nil. The victimhood of the Jews of Europe has little or nothing to do with the conflict going on between Palestine and Israel so many decades later.
Exactly. I think that the pro-Israel side of the on-going discussion has done a very good job of clinging to and amplifying the victimhood of the Jewish people in history and tying that to Israel as a nation. And it has been done in such a way as to invoke anti-Semitism sentiments as a condemnation for even thinking to question Israel let alone criticize it.
Frankly, at this point, the questions of historical victimization of the Jewish people and of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are separate issues, entirely. They have nothing to do with each other.
Today I was a bit curious about the POV of the Jewish people of Belgium about the raid on the flotilla, so I listened the podcast of "radio judaica"
Podcasts Radio Judaica Belgique
They talk about the raid on the flotilla. What they say is really neutral until they talk about an Arab Israeli member of Parliament:
(litteral transcription of what the host says)
"(name of the Israeli Arab MEP) has not hesited to call (the Israeli raid) "a massacre", I remember you that he is a member of the Knesset. He has added that "the world should react with severity about this intervention", an intervention made by a country where he is a MEP and where he is living"
So the basic message is that when you're a member of the Knesset you don't have the right to be critical towards Israel.
...and I believed that it was the role of the Parliament to control what the Government does...
Israel was borne out of their experience in Europe in the 20th century.
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How about the fact that an Israeli Arab is allowed to be a member of parliment. How well have Jews and Christians done in Arab nations.
Does that give them special rights?
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."God will bless nations that bless Israel.
Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the families of the earth will be blessed through you."
Just a fact. Does that give them less rights? America is still killing Muslims by the boatload almost daily for an attack 9 years ago.
The position as I understand it is Israel has no right of defense as rockets continue to try to kill civilians.
It is this cavalier attitude towards people who openly want to kill people for being offense of being Jewish that I find troublesome. Not sure I understand the morality.
Who, in this administration, is anti-semitic?Heck, given the current anti-Isreal climate of the administration, Anti-semetism is back in vogue? :ssst:
The USA is one of the few (if not the only one) countries that did not condemn the IDF raid
So what? You said the admin is anti-semitic, wouldn't the anti-semites come out against the IDF actions?So what?
Why is it bad to conduct an investigation? Civilians have died, it's a serious incident, a neutral inquiry should be conducted to see if errors have been made.
So you believe the investigation to be worthless but you'd like to use the White House's backing of it to bash the admin?:lol: who should investigate? the UN? Please....
It's anti-Israeli.
No one says that Israel does not have the right to defend itself, people say that it should be done with proportionality
One more problem is that, as several posters have said in this thread, criticism of Israel is too often dismissed as "anti-semitism". When people say that Belgian para-commandos should not have tortured a Somali kid on 1993 or that the same soldiers should have done something about the Rwandan genocide in 1994, or that there is a serious democratic deficit when all the Walloon parties team up, no one says that it is "anti-Belgianism".
The USA is one of the few (if not the only one) countries that did not condemn the IDF raid
What proof of this do you have?
YouTube - Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany
And the liberals place this lady on a pedestal. LOL
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