Hegseth intends to rename USNS Harvey Milk

[Anthony60]

Tammy Duckworth disagrees with you.

Don't care, facts are facts. Especially with women in combat units. Just a fact of life.

My 2 tour Afghan MP friend disagrees with you.
My ASA wife disagrees with you.

Good for their service, doesn't change the facts.

You can file those 'studies' alongside the ones that 'showed' negroes integrated into a combat unit reduced combat efficiency....

No, I won't because that is completely unrelated. Skin color makes no difference in combat effectiveness, gender does.

Back before I got my squad in Bco, 3/60th, my squad leader was gay. Back then it was a federal offense to be in green and gay. He faced years in Leavenworth and a dishonorable discharge if outed. We never did because he was the best squad leader I served with.

Jail time may be a bit harsh, just keep it to yourself. Why do gays need to broadcast that info to the world?

The military has a rather bad history of prejudice, many times overlooked. What did GIs call the Vietnamese; hint starts with a 'G'.
Bigots reduced combat efficiency, not those they target...
Scouts out!!!!

So do the Supreme Court and Democrats.

 

[jaypatriot]

I have sailed on a ship. A destroyer, as a matter of fact.

What carrier is being named after me?

I think the USS Hamish Howl is a pretty distinguished name to have on a carrier. No one would forget it.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I think the USS Hamish Howl is a pretty distinguished name to have on a carrier. No one would forget it.

You're damn right. PUT ME IN, COACH!

 

[Anthony60]

Like so many Trumplican culture warriors, projecting self loathing is Pete's coping mechanism.

Completely false, but you go!

 

[Lycanthrope]

Completely false, but you go!

Denial's another coping mechanism, yes. Well done!

 

[Anthony60]

Denial's another coping mechanism, yes. Well done!

I doubt that you can even explain what you said. Don't you have a slogan or a chant or something? That's usually the depth of leftist accusations.

 

[ncguy]

I doubt that you can even explain what you said. Don't you have a slogan or a chant or something? That's usually the depth of leftist accusations.

lol. "make america great again" and "america first".
which then leads to tariffs, up, down, on, off...doge is doing great things, doge has disappeared, the election was stolen but we lost every court case, mass deportations which aren't,
its like the right consists of an economic man child moron who has no clue how to accomplish anything more complicated than signing his name.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I doubt that you can even explain what you said. Don't you have a slogan or a chant or something? That's usually the depth of leftist accusations.

Nothing so sophisticated as "leftist," "Marxist," "Stalinist," or "YEW LIBZ," to be sure.

 

[jpn]

The military is not a social group.

Tell me more about what the military is and is not.

How many years did you serve?

I'm just questioning your loyalty.

Then it's a good thing for me that you weren't in charge of security clearances.

The people who were in charge of security clearances granted me a TS/SCI clearance.

You?

 

[Anthony60]

Nothing so sophisticated as "leftist," "Marxist," "Stalinist," or "YEW LIBZ," to be sure.

Oh, and you only read headlines, forgot that one.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Oh, and you only read headlines, forgot that one.

Oh, and you craft original retorts that put "YEW LIBZ" to shame, no one forgot that.

 

[Anthony60]

"YEW LIBZ"

LOL!

 

[Nickyjo]

Sure, as long as they are not renamed to honor something along the lines of political correctness.

What was politically correct, i.e., objectionable to you, about honoring a veteran who happened to be gay, and was a pioneer for gay rights? Should we get rid of Thurgoid Marshall and Harriet Tubman’s names on ships as well?

 

[rhinefire]

What does Hogsbreath know about milk other than he avoids it.

 

[MAGAnificent]

What was politically correct, i.e., objectionable to you, about honoring a veteran who happened to be gay, and was a pioneer for gay rights?

I don't honor veterans over sexual orientation. The military is not the place for that. I honor veterans for military accomplishments. Just the simple act of being gay or for that matter hetero, is not a heroic deed.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Hegseth is a piece of shit who is going to wind up in prison.

 

[ncguy]

I don't honor veterans over sexual orientation. The military is not the place for that. I honor veterans for military accomplishments. Just the simple act of being gay or for that matter hetero, is not a heroic deed.

He was honored for being a civil rights figure
Not for being gay
No military experience or heroism was necessary although he had military experience

 

[Nickyjo]

I don't honor veterans over sexual orientation. The military is not the place for that. I honor veterans for military accomplishments. Just the simple act of being gay or for that matter hetero, is not a heroic deed.

He is not honored for simply being gay anymore than Harriet Tubman is/was possibly to be honored for simply being Black. I suppose that if we could together look over the names of all Navy ships we might find some names here and there to object to. Would you also eliminate Gabrielle Giffords’ name from the ship that bears it?

But the real issue here is simply Pete Hegseth being a dick, in the characteristic Trump administration style: “cruelty is the point.”

 

[MAGAnificent]

He is not honored for simply being gay anymore than Harriet Tubman is/was possibly to be honored for simply being Black.

Then what exactly was he honored for????? While he was in the Navy, he was not an activist for lbgtq. It did not exist at the time. It's more likely that he was for the most part attempting to conceal his sexual orientation, suggests that you simply want to honor him for being gay while in the Navy. And it is an insult to Harriet Tubman's memory to compare what she did to Harvey Milk simply serving in the military while gay.

Would you also eliminate Gabrielle Giffords’ name from the ship that bears it?

I do not have the power to rename ships. However again, while she probably deserved to be honored in some way, I would not have named a warship after her simply for surviving an assassination attempt. Or should we go ahead and name a warship after President Trump? He survived getting shot as well.

But the real issue here is simply Pete Hegseth being a dick, in the characteristic Trump administration style: “cruelty is the point.”

TDS.

 

[MAGAnificent]

No military experience or heroism was necessary although he had military experience

I have military experience. Should the Navy name a war ship after me? How about the "USS MagaNificent"?

 

[Nickyjo]

Then what exactly was he honored for????? While he was in the Navy, he was not an activist for lbgtq. It did not exist at the time. It's more likely that he was for the most part attempting to conceal his sexual orientation, suggests that you simply want to honor him for being gay while in the Navy. And it is an insult to Harriet Tubman's memory to compare what she did to Harvey Milk simply serving in the military while gay.

I do not have the power to rename ships. However again, while she probably deserved to be honored in some way, I would not have named a warship after her simply for surviving an assassination attempt. Or should we go ahead and name a warship after President Trump? He survived getting shot as well.

TDS.

He was honored for his service to the country, his city, and to the gay community, and for giving his life, much as George Moscone, killed the same day, is honored by having things named after him.

As to Trump, it would be disgraceful in my opinion to name anything after him given his record as a crook, liar, enemy of democracy, and abuser of women, but if that’s what those in charge want to do, absurd but it’s on them, not me.

 

[Fletch]

Nothing so sophisticated as "leftist," "Marxist," "Stalinist," or "YEW LIBZ," to be sure.

Which of those labels dont apply to you?

 

[MAGAnificent]

He was honored for his service to the country, his city, and to the gay community, and for giving his life,

He did not give his life in military service or as a result of military service. If you want equal rights for gays, then you must accept "equal". He deserves no military honors simply for serving while gay.

As to Trump, it would be disgraceful in my opinion to name anything after him given his record as a crook, liar, enemy of democracy, and abuser of women, but if that’s what those in charge want to do, absurd but it’s on them, not me.

Acute TDS.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Which of those labels dont apply to you?

Everyone one of them applies! Plus "Satanist," "Radical Lunatic," "Globalist," "Socialist," and "KOMMANYST."

I'm particularly proud of "YEW LIBZ" though. Tennyson has nothing on the wordsmith of that gem.

 

[Nickyjo]

He did not give his life in military service or as a result of military service. If you want equal rights for gays, then you must accept "equal". He deserves no military honors simply for serving while gay.

Who cares if he gave his life in military service? Neither did Lincoln or McKinley, yet they have ships named after them. Again, look up the lists of military vessels and I would be willing to bet that not all are named after those who gave their lives in military service or who even served. Where is it written that is a criterion for naming ships?

Acute TDS.

Though I believe that there is a corresponding derangement in those - who as he himself predicted - see little wrong in Trump (let’s call it FAD, “Fifth Avenue Derangement) this is clearly on me. I have been fooled about Trump’s University, Foundation, steaks, repeated denials of election results, lists of lies, jury finding against him in sex abuse case, false allegations by several women, etc. It’s a clear sign of TDS to believe any of that shit.