Healthcare in America

[rickc]

We all know the healthcare payment system in America is broken. Too many fingers in the pot. Healthcare is.way too expensive. A cash cow the participants don't want disturbed. Lots.of lobbiest money there.

The rest of the developed world has health care for all its citizens and.spend much less per capita then we do w8th our bastard system.

Well polls show over 70% of Americans approve of Medicare for all.

What say you

Medicare for All

Or

Keep it like it is

 

[ALiberalModerate]

We all know the healthcare payment system in America is broken. Too many fingers in the pot. Healthcare is.way too expensive. A cash cow the participants don't want disturbed. Lots.of lobbiest money there.

The rest of the developed world has health care for all its citizens and.spend much less per capita then we do w8th our bastard system.

Well polls show over 70% of Americans approve of Medicare for all.

What say you

Medicare for All

Or

Keep it like it is

How about No to Medicare for All and No to Keep it like it is.

 

[rickc]

How about No to Medicare for All and No to Keep it like it is.

Well you sound like a Republican. They have been talking about an alternative plan for decades but haven't come up with one yet. I really think their donors want to maintain the status quo.

What is your plan?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Well you sound like a Republican. They have been talking about an alternative plan for decades but haven't come up with one yet. I really think their donors want to maintain the status quo.

What is your plan?

There are plenty of ideas that do not include the impossible idea of doing away with all employer sponsored plans and private coverage and replacing it with Medicare for everyone. For example, you could allow people to buy into Medicare.

 

[KevinKohler]

Well you sound like a Republican. They have been talking about an alternative plan for decades but haven't come up with one yet. I really think their donors want to maintain the status quo.

What is your plan?

Allow insurance to be sold across state lines.

 

[vegas giants]

There are plenty of ideas that do not include the impossible idea of doing away with all employer sponsored plans and private coverage and replacing it with Medicare for everyone. For example, you could allow people to buy into Medicare.

I am fine with that if it is affordable

 

[ttwtt78640]

We all know the healthcare payment system in America is broken. Too many fingers in the pot. Healthcare is.way too expensive. A cash cow the participants don't want disturbed. Lots.of lobbiest money there.

The rest of the developed world has health care for all its citizens and.spend much less per capita then we do w8th our bastard system.

Well polls show over 70% of Americans approve of Medicare for all.

What say you

Medicare for All

Or

Keep it like it is

The options in your poll are too limited. That poll question is much like "Should we have free rent/mortgages for all or keep the housing market as it is?".

 

[Helix]

those aren't the only two choices. however, i support single payer.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I am fine with that if it is affordable

Define "affordable".

 

[Crystal]

those aren't the only two choices. however, i support single payer.

Do you support everyone paying for single payer? Do you support it for illegals?

 

[bongsaway]

Define "affordable".

Sliding scale affordable, you pay a percentage of whatever your income is and from now on, capital gains are taxed as earned income.

Why is it other european countries can manage it but the united states can't? There can be a combination of medicare for all and private insurance. The reason things don't change is because the status quo who is making a killing on our health care pays to keep things the same. Greed is an amazing incentive to keep things the same. Why cure a disease when we can treat it and people have to keep coming back for more treatment?

 

[ttwtt78640]

those aren't the only two choices. however, i support single payer.

We (basically) have single payer for roads yet that does not preclude for-profit firms from bidding on road construction and/or maintenance contracts. Since the cost of living (and therefore salaries/rents) varies (fairly widely regionally) then what is the "fair" price to pay medical care providers?

A similar problem exists with "free" (federal single payer) college since tuition (and admission standards) varies quite a bit among various (public) colleges.

 

[vegas giants]

Define "affordable".

Double current Medicare premiums except for those over 65

 

[ttwtt78640]

1) Sliding scale affordable, you pay a percentage of whatever your income is and from now on, capital gains are taxed as earned income.

2) Why is it other european countries can manage it but the united states can't? 3) There can be a combination of medicare for all and private insurance. 4) The reason things don't change is because the status quo who is making a killing on our health care pays to keep things the same. 5) Greed is an amazing incentive to keep things the same. 6) Why cure a disease when we can treat it and people have to keep coming back for more treatment?

1) You have (cleverly?) avoided stating what % of (gross?) income is "affordable".

2) Other countries have varying taxation and medical care laws. Many have VAT taxes and, unlike M4A, do not outlaw private medical care insurance or require that all medical care provers be non-profit.

3) Agreed, but then it is no longer single-payer or in compliance with current M4A bills.

4) Partly true, yet the biggest reason that "things don't change" is the lack of a medical care reform bill that can pass congress. Rather than try to completely rebuild (remodel?) the entire current medical care delivery (and insurance) system - why not offer a public option for X% of one's gross income but, like Medicare, cover 80% of the costs after a modest (annual) deductible?

5) Greed is also an amazing incentive to choose a college major that will actually allow one to make a decent living upon graduation. If M4A allows medical care providers to earn only 60% of what they now earn then how many would elect to train for a different profession?

6) Why make healthier lifestyle choices if medical care becomes either "free" or more affordable? That is the primary reason that insurance (premium) cost is based actuarial risk factors.

 

[Helix]

Do you support everyone paying for single payer? Do you support it for illegals?

I support doing what the rest of the first world is doing.

 

[Luther]

We all know the healthcare payment system in America is broken. Too many fingers in the pot. Healthcare is.way too expensive. A cash cow the participants don't want disturbed. Lots.of lobbiest money there.

The rest of the developed world has health care for all its citizens and.spend much less per capita then we do w8th our bastard system.

Well polls show over 70% of Americans approve of Medicare for all.

What say you

Medicare for All

Or

Keep it like it is

Can't vote since you didn't add Reform what we have now

Do You want to give full control of our healthcare to this vain Gov?


Not I!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Double current Medicare premiums except for those over 65

That ($270/month?) would not come close to covering the cost of M4A. Medicare premiums are per individual (and exclude covering any dependents) not per household. How is a 10 year old going to get covered?

 

[vegas giants]

That ($270/month?) would not come close to covering the cost of M4A.

Then raise taxes to pay for the rest. Money well spent

 

[Luther]

I support doing what the rest of the first world is doing.

Why do I think this rest of the world for example doesn't have 44% of Americans paying no Fed income tax?

 

[Crystal]

I support doing what the rest of the first world is doing.

Non answer.

 

[bongsaway]

1) You have (cleverly?) avoided stating what % of (gross?) income is "affordable".

2) Other countries have varying taxation and medical care laws. Many have VAT taxes and, unlike M4A, do not outlaw private medical care insurance or require that all medical care provers be non-profit.

3) Agreed, but then it is no longer single-payer or in compliance with current M4A bills.

4) Partly true, yet the biggest reason that "things don't change" is the lack of a medical care reform bill that can pass congress. Rather than try to completely rebuild (remodel?) the entire current medical care delivery (and insurance) system - why not offer a public option for X% of one's gross income but, like Medicare, cover 80% of the costs after a modest (annual) deductible?

5) Greed is also an amazing incentive to choose a college major that will actually allow one to make a decent living upon graduation. If M4A allows medical care providers to earn only 60% of what they now earn then how many would elect to train for a different profession?

I'm not an economics person, that's for them to figure out. I'm just tossing out suggestions.

As long as america has a for profit medical system, profit is number one and our health care is number two in order of importance.

So we don't call it single payer or medicare for all. We call it Trump's greatest achievement. I don't care who wants the credit for the change we just need change.

Once again as long as we have a for profit system, it will be difficult to change anything. Let's face the truth, the GOP is the party of wealth and big business and will go to almost any measures to keep that in place.

Good, take that forty percent of professionals who only want their chosen profession for money to choose something else. I'm more interested in the person who wants to be a doctor or lawyer in order to help others.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Then raise taxes to pay for the rest. Money well spent

Then why have any premiums at all?

 

[vegas giants]

Then why have any premiums at all?

For the same reason we have Medicare premiums now

 

[MAGAnificent]

We all know the healthcare payment system in America is broken. Too many fingers in the pot. Healthcare is.way too expensive. A cash cow the participants don't want disturbed. Lots.of lobbiest money there.

I did not participate in the poll because it lacked a common sense third choice such as "Reforming healthcare honestly"

Medicare for all would be moronic. Our government has had over half a century to prove that it could effectively run "Medicare for Seniors" and has miserably failed. Keeping Obamacare would be equally moronic. While it technically has insured more Americans, it has hurt many more then it has claimed to help. A reasonable third choice would be reforming healthcare in a manner that makes it price competitive.

The rest of the developed world has health care for all its citizens and.spend much less per capita then we do w8th our bastard system.

With few exception, those other nations, like the UK and Canada also have rationing of healthcare and waiting lists.

Well polls show over 70% of Americans approve of Medicare for all.

Probably some of the same moronic polls that guaranteed you that Hillary Clinton was going to be elected president..

I can accept that maybe there are enough idiots out there that approve of "Medicare for all" might reach 20%, I don't buy 70%.

What say you

Medicare for All

Or

Keep it like it is

Neither.

 

[Crystal]

I'm not an economics person, that's for them to figure out. I'm just tossing out suggestions.

As long as america has a for profit medical system, profit is number one and our health care is number two in order of importance.

So we don't call it single payer or medicare for all. We call it Trump's greatest achievement. I don't care who wants the credit for the change we just need change.

Once again as long as we have a for profit system, it will be difficult to change anything. Let's face the truth, the GOP is the party of wealth and big business and will go to almost any measures to keep that in place.

Good, take that forty percent of professionals who only want their chosen profession for money to choose something else. I'm more interested in the person who wants to be a doctor or lawyer in order to help others.

How much will you pay a doctor?