have you noticed?

[OscarB63]

maybe this should be in the sex/sexuality section but it will probably turn political so here it is.

Have you noticed that liberals, who are generally the biggest, most vocal gay supporters are also the ones who are the biggest, most vocal muslim supporters.

Doesn't this seem a little odd, given the fact that the quran teaches that homosexuality is a major no-no and that most muslims hate homosexuals?


it's almost like a black dude being a KKK supporter

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

All I notice is that we need to put this DADT and DOMA **** to rest so I can stop hearing about the gays.... It's gay. rof

 

[disneydude]

Not at all. Unlike right-wingers, Liberals understand that the Constitution protects beliefs that may be contrary to what we believe. We respect people's rights to live their life the way that they choose, not the way that the government dictates.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Not at all. Unlike right-wingers, Liberals understand that the Constitution protects beliefs that may be contrary to what we believe. We respect people's rights to live their life the way that they choose, not the way that the government dictates.

That's gotta be the biggest crock of bull from you EVER. :lol:

 

[OscarB63]

so you've never noticed that the people that are pro-gay and the people that are pro-muslim (or maybe the biggest pushers of "all muslims are not terrorists") are many of the same people?

 

[Redress]

maybe this should be in the sex/sexuality section but it will probably turn political so here it is.

Have you noticed that liberals, who are generally the biggest, most vocal gay supporters are also the ones who are the biggest, most vocal muslim supporters.

Doesn't this seem a little odd, given the fact that the quran teaches that homosexuality is a major no-no and that most muslims hate homosexuals?


it's almost like a black dude being a KKK supporter

What you are seeing and spinning is a belief among liberals that people should be free to be who they are and whatever religion they choose. What makes your example particularly foolish is that most of us liberals don't like what Muslims tend to believe, but we still support their right to believe as they do. It's just like christians to my mind. I got no use for their beliefs, but will defend their right to believe it.

 

[OscarB63]

Not at all.

you are a prime example.

you are always one of the most vocal gay supporters in any of the "gay" threads here and you are currently pushing the "not all muslims are terrorsists" issue in the katie couric muslim cosby show thread.

at least be honest.

Unlike right-wingers, Liberals understand that the Constitution protects beliefs that may be contrary to what we believe. We respect people's rights to live their life the way that they choose, not the way that the government dictates.

so you are saying that you respect the rights of gays to be gay and you also respect the rights of the muslims to hate them?

 

[Boo Radley]

so you've never noticed that the people that are pro-gay and the people that are pro-muslim (or maybe the biggest pushers of "all muslims are not terrorists") are many of the same people?

Speaking of the biggest crock ever, what exactly is pro-muslim? I suspect you're projecting something that doesn't really exist.

 

[OscarB63]

What you are seeing and spinning is a belief among liberals that people should be free to be who they are and whatever religion they choose. What makes your example particularly foolish is that most of us liberals don't like what Muslims tend to believe, but we still support their right to believe as they do. It's just like christians to my mind. I got no use for their beliefs, but will defend their right to believe it.

as I said to DD...

on one hand you respect the rights of gays to be gay

and on the other hand you respect the rights of the muslims to hate them.

so why don't you support the chrsitian's rights to hate gays?

 

[Barbbtx]

Not at all. Unlike right-wingers, Liberals understand that the Constitution protects beliefs that may be contrary to what we believe. We respect people's rights to live their life the way that they choose, not the way that the government dictates.

To me it seems like they support any group except anyone on the right.
They paint conservatives as anti-gay, Christians as anti-gay but will support Islam that really is anti-gay.
The left has to try and paint the right as a bunch of bigots. It's their only hope of keeping people of all religions, races, sexual orientation, from leaving in droves, the way they are leaving California.

 

[Boo Radley]

as I said to DD...

on one hand you respect the rights of gays to be gay

and on the other hand you respect the rights of the muslims to hate them.

so why don't you support the chrsitian's rights to hate gays?

Hate? or impose legal restrictions agianst? Please, be more specific.

 

[disneydude]

you are a prime example.

you are always one of the most vocal gay supporters in any of the "gay" threads here and you are currently pushing the "not all muslims are terrorsists" issue in the katie couric muslim cosby show thread.

at least be honest.




so you are saying that you respect the rights of gays to be gay and you also respect the rights of the muslims to hate them?

Absolutely. And I respect the rights of Christians to hate gays. That is there right under our Constitution. Where those rights end is when they try to use their religious beliefs to change our Constitutional protections that effect other people's rights.

In other words....if gay groups started to attack a Muslim or a Christian's rights to practice their religion in their church, I would oppose those efforts as well.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

What you are seeing and spinning is a belief among liberals that people should be free to be who they are and whatever religion they choose. What makes your example particularly foolish is that most of us liberals don't like what Muslims tend to believe, but we still support their right to believe as they do. It's just like christians to my mind. I got no use for their beliefs, but will defend their right to believe it.

And KKK members, Nazis, Black panthers, and republicans....... :ssst:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Absolutely. And I respect the rights of Christians to hate gays.

Do you respect the right of blacks to hate gays?

That is there right under our Constitution. Where those rights end is when they try to use their religious beliefs to change our Constitutional protections that effect other people's rights.

Like blacks did with that california gay marriage proposition? Or when the president says marriage is between a man and a woman? really? :roll:

In other words....if gay groups started to attack a Muslim or a Christian's rights to practice their religion in their church, I would oppose those efforts as well.

Really? You sure about that?

 

[Boo Radley]

To me it seems like they support any group except anyone on the right.
They paint conservatives as anti-gay, Christians as anti-gay but will support Islam that really is anti-gay.
The left has to try and paint the right as a bunch of bigots. It's their only hope of keeping people of all religions, races, sexual orientation, from leaving in droves, the way they are leaving California.

That's likley a mispercption on your part. I don't care if you hate gays or don't want to be gay, or refuse to marry someone of the same sex. You're free to be and do all of that. But I oppose you imposing your beliefs and hate on others. There is a difference.

 

[Jetboogieman]

maybe this should be in the sex/sexuality section but it will probably turn political so here it is.

Have you noticed that liberals, who are generally the biggest, most vocal gay supporters are also the ones who are the biggest, most vocal muslim supporters.

Doesn't this seem a little odd, given the fact that the quran teaches that homosexuality is a major no-no and that most muslims hate homosexuals?


it's almost like a black dude being a KKK supporter

Sometimes people blur the line between supporting muslims, and defending them from unfair critisism...

Some Christians don't like gays, and alot of Muslims don't like gays.

Don't mean I don't support their right to dislike gays.

As long as they don't use OUR government (That thing we all share) to enforce those views :2wave:

 

[disneydude]

To me it seems like they support any group except anyone on the right.
They paint conservatives as anti-gay, Christians as anti-gay but will support Islam that really is anti-gay.
The left has to try and paint the right as a bunch of bigots. It's their only hope of keeping people of all religions, races, sexual orientation, from leaving in droves, the way they are leaving California.

Muslims attitudes towards gays are just as bigoted as many Christian attitudes towards gays. However, they each have the rights under our Constitution to their bigoted beliefs.

 

[disneydude]

That's likley a mispercption on your part. I don't care if you hate gays or don't want to be gay, or refuse to marry someone of the same sex. You're free to be and do all of that. But I oppose you imposing your beliefs and hate on others. There is a difference.

Exactly!!!!!

 

[Boo Radley]

Sometimes people blur the line between supporting muslims, and defending them from unfair critisism...

Some Christians don't like gays, and alot of Muslims don't like gays.

Don't mean I don't support their right to dislike gays.

As long as they don't use OUR government (That thing we all share) to enforce those views :2wave:

Exactly, which is why I think he needs more clarity as to what he is arguing.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

That's likley a mispercption on your part. I don't care if you hate gays or don't want to be gay, or refuse to marry someone of the same sex. You're free to be and do all of that. But I oppose you imposing your beliefs and hate on others. There is a difference.

All depends though, on thier political persuasion eh?

Time: Obama Is An Anti-Gay Rights Bigot | NewsBusters.org

 

[disneydude]

Do you respect the right of blacks to hate gays?







Like blacks did with that california gay marriage proposition? Or when the president says marriage is between a man and a woman? really? :roll:





Really? You sure about that?

Absolutely. PEople in America are free to hate whoever they want. If a white person wants to hate a black or a black hate a white...that is their right.

However...the different is as Boo Radley eloquently stated...When you take those beliefs and actively try to take away another person's rights...that is where your rights end.

 

[Boo Radley]

All depends though, on thier political persuasion eh?

Time: Obama Is An Anti-Gay Rights Bigot | NewsBusters.org

No, it doesn't.

(BTW, you denounce media matters and use newsbusters? :coffeepap )

 

[OscarB63]

To me it seems like they support any group except anyone on the right.
They paint conservatives as anti-gay, Christians as anti-gay but will support Islam that really is anti-gay.The left has to try and paint the right as a bunch of bigots. It's their only hope of keeping people of all religions, races, sexual orientation, from leaving in droves, the way they are leaving California.

bolded...my point exactly.

 

[disneydude]

All depends though, on thier political persuasion eh?

Time: Obama Is An Anti-Gay Rights Bigot | NewsBusters.org

Not at all. Obama has his personal beliefs, which I find bigoted. But Obama specifically came out against Prop 8 which is essentially what I am saying. You have the right to your own beliefs. You DON'T have a right to impose your beliefs on others.

 

[Barbbtx]

That's likley a mispercption on your part. I don't care if you hate gays or don't want to be gay, or refuse to marry someone of the same sex. You're free to be and do all of that. But I oppose you imposing your beliefs and hate on others. There is a difference.

Stop pretending you know what my beliefs are.