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Has the GOP declared war on voting?

Casper said:
But the vast majority of the time, especially in recent history we do Not know the winner on the evening of the 3rd, but hey if Biden is winning big time in the evening I think you would agree that we should go ahead and call it. Yes, I am sure that is what trump would want or do...
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Except for 2000, when have we not known who was elected President on the night of the election?
 
aociswundumho said:
Could the irony here be any thicker?

Yes Deuce, government services suck, because government agencies are controlled by politics instead of market forces. That's why everyone with half a brain or more is a capitalist.
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apdst said:
At what point are votes received too late to vote? We can't count votes until 2024. There has to be a deadline. What should it be?
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aociswundumho said:
That's nice. Doesn't change the fact that Democrats were responsible for Jim Crow laws.
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Those days are long gone for the dems but not to worry the south turned republican and to this day keeps the tradition alive. There is a reason the gop is ninety five percent white men, it's not a coincidence.
 
Moon said:
Except for 2000, when have we not known who was elected President on the night of the election?
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All of them, is that news to you?
 
Casper said:
All of them, is that news to you?
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It is. Can you point out a few examples and tell me why we didn’t know who was President the night of the election?
 
Casper said:
But the vast majority of the time, especially in recent history we do Not know the winner on the evening of the 3rd, but hey if Biden is winning big time in the evening I think you would agree that we should go ahead and call it. Yes, I am sure that is what trump would want or do...
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If we don't know the winner on election night then we don't know. That doesn't mean you keep on voting.
 
The Democratic Party has declared war on democracy itself.
 
Moderate Right said:
Election day is Nov 3rd this year. Most places have had early voting, many starting one month before the election. There is no reason to carry this further than election day, particularly when they've already been voting for a month.
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You forgot to mention than in many states, where advanced mail in voting is accepted, are not allowed to count the votes until Nov. 3rd. Given that there are far more
mail in votes, owing to covid, than any time in history, and they are not allowed to count them until Nov 3, is it fair to disallow counting beyond Nov 3? I should say not.

Not to mention the following facts:

Every election since mail in voting commenced going back to the civil war counted votes beyond election day and ballots were mailed in in advance of election day..

The only difference was, that in the past, the absentee ballots weren't enough to change the outcome, so often the winner was called on the night of the vote, noting that winners are called, more often than not, BEFORE all the votes are in. They ONLY call them when it is calculated that the remaining votes that have yet to be counted won't alter the outcome.

The point is, we've been counting votes beyond the election day, in every election in the past. The only difference now is that the winner can't be called because there are more outstanding ballots because of covid.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON, NOT TO MENTION A FAIR ONE, NOT TO MENTION A LEGAL ONE, TO NOT COUNT THE VOTES BEYOND THE ELECTION.

That is, if you value the concept of one person, one vote, if you value democracy.

Apparently, you do not.
 
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Bullseye said:
Actually, no. The GOP is down on getting states to follow their own laws for elections. When an elected official decides to arbitrarily extend the deadline for mail in ballots in violation of the the states law the courts step in.
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Arbitrarily? How does extending the counting of the vote because of the extraordinary number of mail in votes (as long as the postmark is on or before Nov 3) because of covid constitute 'arbitrary' ? That's absurd. There is a damn good reason to extend the vote counting, it's called 'fairness'.

Why does a president, who has no regard for the law, given his past actions for disregarding laws, suddenly concerned with the laws of states?

There is only one reason.

Because he perceives that the uncounted votes are disproportionately for Biden, and since they are mailed in, it's been proven to be the case.
 
Moderate Right said:
If we don't know the winner on election night then we don't know. That doesn't mean you keep on voting.
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No one is saying keep Voting, but they have to keep Counting, is this topic confusing you?
 
Moon said:
No, but ballots are no longer allowed to be cast after election day.
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But they are allowed to be counted beyond the election day. That has always been true.
 
Moon said:
It is. Can you point out a few examples and tell me why we didn’t know who was President the night of the election?
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All of them in recent history, it is because several States are usually not done counting, that is normal. You may have an Idea who won, especially if there is a landslide, but assuming a winner is not the same as knowing the winner. Sorry but the odds are, unless Biden wins in a landslide we will probably not know the results and even then trump has already he and his lawyers will be going after the results, so that might take a bit longer. Not to worry, we will know who is President by January 20th and probably loooong before that, even with trumps legal battles to steal it. Good to know Democracy works.
 
tacomancer said:
the conservatives have had a war on voting since at least jim crow
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Democratic laws that Joe Biden not only supported, but first campaigned as a white supremacist who was going to save white children from jungle bunnies.
 
OscarLevant said:
You forgot to mention than in many states, where advanced mail in voting is accepted, are not allowed to count the votes until Nov. 3rd. Given that there are far more
mail in votes, owing to covid, than any time in history, and they are not allowed to count them until Nov 3, is it fair to disallow counting beyond Nov 3? I should say not.

Not to mention the following facts:

Every election since mail in voting commenced going back to the civil war counted votes beyond election day and ballots were mailed in in advance of election day..

The only difference was, that in the past, the absentee ballots weren't enough to change the outcome, so often the winner was called on the night of the vote, noting that winners are called, more often than not, BEFORE all the votes are in. They ONLY call them when it is calculated that the remaining votes that have yet to be counted won't alter the outcome.

The point is, we've been counting votes beyond the election day, in every election in the past. The only difference now is that the winner can't be called because there are more outstanding ballots because of covid.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON, NOT TO MENTION A FAIR ONE, NOT TO MENTION A LEGAL ONE, TO NOT COUNT THE VOTES BEYOND THE ELECTION.

That is, if you value the concept of one person, one vote, if you value democracy.

Apparently, you do not.
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We should follow the laws that were already in place. Democrats want to keep on voting past election day.
 
Casper said:
No one is saying keep Voting, but they have to keep Counting, is this topic confusing you?
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We're not going to wait weeks for ballots to arrive. In fact, any ballots arriving past election day should not be counted unless the laws of that state say they have to be postmarked by election day. If they aren't postmarked by that date then they get tossed. And, I would give them a week only. If they haven't arrived by Nov 10th then sayonara.
 
Moderate Right said:
We're not going to wait weeks for ballots to arrive. In fact, any ballots arriving past election day should not be counted unless the laws of that state say they have to be postmarked by election day. If they aren't postmarked by that date then they get tossed. And, I would give them a week only. If they haven't arrived by Nov 10th then sayonara.
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Well if they are posted mark by the 3rd then they get counted, that is the norm, and the norm few if any are mailing their on the 3rd. Thing is counting does not even start until the 3rd and if you did not know it it is a big job especially with high turn out and more mail in ballots which have to be individually handled. The odds are wee will know the winner within a day or two at the very latest, then the trump legal battles begin, but the odds of him changing or having any state voting results thrown out are going to be slim to none. It be fine and the speculating can stop, finally.
 
Moderate Right said:
We should follow the laws that were already in place. Democrats want to keep on voting past election day.
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We are talking about counting votes past election day, no one is suggesting voting beyond Nov 3.
 
Moderate Right said:
We're not going to wait weeks for ballots to arrive. In fact, any ballots arriving past election day should not be counted unless the laws of that state say they have to be postmarked by election day. If they aren't postmarked by that date then they get tossed. And, I would give them a week only. If they haven't arrived by Nov 10th then sayonara.
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Are you still standing by your positive claim " It is better to elect a pedophile than a Democrat" ? If YES, do you think your fellow Conservatives agree with your views on pedophilia?
 
independentusa said:
It seems that the GOP is down to getting the courts to make Dem voting in any way illegal. With trump as their cheerleader, they have declared war on voting. First load the courts with unqualified judges who will take their orders from Trump and the GOP, and then take every type of voting to those courts when they involve Dem areas and have those damn Dem votes thrown out. In the end, the GOP will rely on only the courts to give them election wins as the demographics are against them somewhat now and especially in the future. Even in the southern areeas where they thought they would hold the line forever, they are starting to see themselves on the outside, so the courts are the last resort for them .
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Nobody is trying to may democrat voting illegal. What is being done is trying to ensure the ballots are cast properly and on time. That voters who are not registered do not vote, that voters only cast one ballot and voters are properly identified. Is that a bad thing? Only in a society that doesn't value the law.
 
Moderate Right said:
We're not going to wait weeks for ballots to arrive. In fact, any ballots arriving past election day should not be counted unless the laws of that state say they have to be postmarked by election day. If they aren't postmarked by that date then they get tossed. And, I would give them a week only. If they haven't arrived by Nov 10th then sayonara.
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That is simply not the case. America has always counted ballots past the election day (factoring in state law). THe only difference now, is as follows:

1. in the past, if the absentee ballots weren't of a sufficient quantity to affect the outcome when a potential call could be made, the major networks would call the election.

2. in the past, absentee ballots were always counted, regardless of when the election was called by the networks.

3. The ONLY difference now, is that the mail in ballots are, owing to the virus, of a much greater number, sufficient that the networks will not call the election until they are in, in sufficient quantities based on the outstanding ballots.

I assure you, the networks will not call the election until the facts allow them to call it.

If the networks call the election, the certification is expected to agree with the call. The networks will not call the election, if there is a doubt about who will be certified as the winner.

As to pending litigation that is expected, it will probably center on a few swing states IF it a close race on those states. Then, it's anyone's guess as to what will happen.

If the swing states are won by a good margin, I think the networks will call the election. I don't think a lawsuit will change anything, if there are any. A lot depends on if Biden wins and by how much. I hope he wins big. No one really knows, at this point.
 
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CaughtInThe said:
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It' is if they aren't registered voters, don't get the ballot in on time, inproperly fill out the ballot, vote more than one time, vote as someone else, do not verify their identity.
 
independentusa said:
It seems that the GOP is down to getting the courts to make Dem voting in any way illegal. With trump as their cheerleader, they have declared war on voting. First load the courts with unqualified judges who will take their orders from Trump and the GOP, and then take every type of voting to those courts when they involve Dem areas and have those damn Dem votes thrown out. In the end, the GOP will rely on only the courts to give them election wins as the demographics are against them somewhat now and especially in the future. Even in the southern areeas where they thought they would hold the line forever, they are starting to see themselves on the outside, so the courts are the last resort for them .
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Yawns. The SCOTUS has been remarkably consistent this election regarding election cases---if it is a state rule, the state decides. If it is a federal court rules change to state law, it gets knocked down.
 
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