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Are either of you saying that, because they all do it, Obama is off the hook?
Maybe that's the problem... citizen apathy and lack of accountability.
Still waiting for your answer-if Hillary says its wrong to call people unamerican for disagreeing with the president, why are you comfortable doing just that?
You're incorrect in your premise that every president has to deal with the same level of opposition that Obama does.
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Like you (we were writing our previous posts at the same time), I also do not fall for campaign rhetoric, and recognize it as such, but I also believe that we are making a serious error when we dismiss it as just campaign rhetoric and choose to not hold them accountable.Absolutely not what I'm saying. My entire point was that people bring up "Hope and Change" as if THAT'S Obama's biggest problem, that he just didn't live up to the basest of campaign rhetoric.
Like you (we were writing our previous posts at the same time), I also do not fall for campaign rhetoric, and recognize it as such, but I also believe that we are making a serious error when we dismiss it as just campaign rhetoric and choose to not hold them accountable.
I see nothing wrong with having an attitude of: "Hey, you said 'X', and not only did you not succeed, you didn't even try."
1) That's a strawman that doesn't apply to me.
2) I don't care what Hillary says.
Of course he is. That said, I put precisely zero stock in campaign slogans.
Are either of you saying that, because they all do it, Obama is off the hook?
Maybe that's the problem... citizen apathy and lack of accountability.
One problem with Obama was it took him four years to figure out the Republicans would never compromise with him.
Oh, that's been a mantra of mine for a couple years now. For all the kvetching we do, and for all the blaming of those big bad politicians, it still comes down to us because WE chose these people and let them get away with it.It seems like we get what we deserve. If we never expect anything better . . . why bother voting at all?
Of course he is. That said, I put precisely zero stock in campaign slogans.
Obama has stated in the past that spreading the wealth around is a good thing. What is that, if not "economically leftist"?
BTW, "watermelon" is a term used to describe eco-marxists...green on the outside, red on the inside.
Sure, but the question is about Obama.I never claimed he was different from any other president, just that he was a disappointment because he promised that he would be different.
And you believed him? He may have thought he would be different, the most transparent, working with the other side of the aisle etc. etc. etc. But the office seems to shape the man along with the situation and events that transpire while in office. Some are better at coping and adjusting, others are not. Clinton was great at adjusting and adjust he did after the 1994 elections what swept both chambers of congress out from under his feet. I think we all remember him fondly, at least we remember his time as president as better times than now. Obama didn't adjust after 2010, he may have become bitter even that how dare the American voters take his strangle hold on congress away. That lack of adjustment maybe why this thread exists.
whether or not one agrees with his policies, the one thing I dislike the most is the president's habit of always blaming others for whatever arises. The Bergdahl swap being the exception. But this is only my opinion.
Are you kidding me? Is that to say you will vote for whoever the demorats nominate?
Is it important that we ("we", generically overall) believed him, or is it more important whether or not HE believed it?And you believed him? He may have thought he would be different, the most transparent, working with the other side of the aisle etc. etc. etc. But the office seems to shape the man along with the situation and events that transpire while in office. Some are better at coping and adjusting, others are not. Clinton was great at adjusting and adjust he did after the 1994 elections what swept both chambers of congress out from under his feet. I think we all remember him fondly, at least we remember his time as president as better times than now. Obama didn't adjust after 2010, he may have become bitter even that how dare the American voters take his strangle hold on congress away. That lack of adjustment maybe why this thread exists.
whether or not one agrees with his policies, the one thing I dislike the most is the president's habit of always blaming others for whatever arises. The Bergdahl swap being the exception. But this is only my opinion.
Are either of you saying that, because they all do it, Obama is off the hook?
Maybe that's the problem... citizen apathy and lack of accountability.
No, it took PPACA being jammed down our throats and then being "modified" by Obama.
Is this a chicken and egg question?This is whats most remarkable. Unilateral mandates, threats of executive orders, and its the republicans that wont play ball. :doh
Its 2014, and we now see the results of over 5 years of the Obama administration. POTUS is not only the executive in chief, he is also the leader of the nation and arguably the free world. His policies, especially if they are signed into law can have profound effects on citizens, as well as people of the world.
Has Obama been a good president to this point?
Hence my vote that he is not a good president. I have standards. :lol:
I thought they were campaign promises?So, what criteria DO you use when voting if not the things they promise they will do and the things they promise they will change?
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