ManOfTrueTruth
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ManOfTrueTruth said:Moderators may place in a poll asking whether this country has become a machine of evil or not if they so wish.
RightatNYU said:With your kind permission, a poll has been added.
ManOfTrueTruth said:Thank you. Heck we have a trillion dollar debt and Americans suffer from over-taxation, the sort of taxation and debt that we have today would have been un-imaginable by America's founding fathers.
ManOfTrueTruth said:When you destroy the foundation of your nation, your nation will cease to be powerful eventually.
ManOfTrueTruth said:I saw this article and got me thinking:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/16/congress.debt.ap/index.html
I remember reading that shortly after the United States won the American Revolutionary War, the founding fathers sought to keep America out of debt and did a very good job.
It was a much different America back then, not perfect but much different. Now, we are the most in debt nation in the world, a nation that had to go further in debt in order to prevent a default on US Treasury Notes, which of course is a temporary solution that will only make the long term problem worse.
So, I started asking myself, has America destroyed the foundation that it was founded upon that made it such a powerful country? When you destroy the foundation of your nation, your nation will cease to be powerful eventually.
We spend money like their is no tommorrow, we put ourselves into alot of debt to have everything NOW.
We destroy the hopes and dreams of people overseas in our lust for power, resources and money.
We pass laws that destroy the hard fought for freedoms here in this country.
We imprison more people than any nation in the entire world.
We have become what our founding fathers feared the most. Have we become a Machine of Evil, much like the Soviet Union did before it's collapse?
thats a joke!..no really it is a joke isn't it?America is the last, best hope for good to prevail in the world
Willoughby said:thats a joke!..no really it is a joke isn't it?
Willoughby said:thats a joke!..no really it is a joke isn't it?
RightatNYU said:The majority of your posts that I've seen are wholly comprised of unspecified criticism of the US. I'd really like to hear some specific (preferably factual) reasons why you think the US is so much worse than the UK, or for that matter, negatives about the US in general. It gets to be a bit tiring hearing snide comments over and over about how terrible the US is without anything behind it.
Ok fine just some off the top of my head:The majority of your posts that I've seen are wholly comprised of unspecified criticism of the US. I'd really like to hear some specific (preferably factual) reasons why you think the US is so much worse than the UK, or for that matter, negatives about the US in general. It gets to be a bit tiring hearing snide comments over and over about how terrible the US is without anything behind it.
Willoughby said:Guantanmo Bay - illegal detention of people in a land that is all about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
Guns, guns and yet more guns and a powerfull lobby to maintain them for the general population (see above about money and lobbying)
you know what i mean..the US runs the base!...seems i am not the only one who can make snide remarksSince when is Cuba the land known for the pursuit of happiness?
And it is my opinion that guns useage/ownership should be curbed to near extinction....we will just have to disagreeI like knowing I could have a gun if I wanted one.
Willoughby said:Ok fine just some off the top of my head:
National Health Service that covers everyone but is cheaper than the US Medicare
Guantanmo Bay - illegal detention of people in a land that is all about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
The extent to which businesses and lobbying firms that act for them play a part in US politics
Death Penalty
Guns, guns and yet more guns and a powerfull lobby to maintain them for the general population (see above about money and lobbying)
I still belive that it is morally wrongOh how dare we arrest terrorist scum. And it's not illegal under the Geneva Convention these people are considered unlawful combatants and are not granted its protection.
there is a difference between lobbyists having an ear to government and the sort of control/power that money seems to bring in washingtonWhat's wrong with lobbyists? Don't you think it's only fair that bussiness owners should get a voice to the ear of the politicians who will pass legislation that will effect their bussinesses?
I think it should be god's judgement not the statesSome people need killin' ie the murderer of Sharlie Bruester for one. I personally think old sparky is to quick and painless a death for that scum sucking piece of sh!t.
fine ok then its the 2nd amendment that maintains the number of guns, whatever maintains it i don't agree with!It's not lobbies that maintaim guns for the general population it's the 2nd amendment. The first act of every tyrant in the history of the world is to remove the right for the average citizen to arm themselves. Personally I'de be more worried about a government that took away our constitutionally guaranteed rights.
Willoughby said:I still belive that it is morally wrong
there is a difference between lobbyists having an ear to government and the sort of control/power that money seems to bring in washington
I think it should be god's judgement not the states
fine ok then its the 2nd amendment that maintains the number of guns, whatever maintains it i don't agree with!
ManOfTrueTruth said:Now, we are the most in debt nation in the world, a nation that had to go further in debt in order to prevent a default on US Treasury Notes, which of course is a temporary solution that will only make the long term problem worse. So, I started asking myself, has America destroyed the foundation that it was founded upon that made it such a powerful country? When you destroy the foundation of your nation, your nation will cease to be powerful eventually. We spend money like their is no tommorrow, we put ourselves into alot of debt to have everything NOW. We destroy the hopes and dreams of people overseas in our lust for power, resources and money. We pass laws that destroy the hard fought for freedoms here in this country. We imprison more people than any nation in the entire world. We have become what our founding fathers feared the most. Have we become a Machine of Evil, much like the Soviet Union did before it's collapse?
Willoughby said:National Health Service that covers everyone but is cheaper than the US Medicare
Willoughby said:Ok fine just some off the top of my head:
National Health Service that covers everyone but is cheaper than the US Medicare
And that's paid for by higher taxes on the citizens, which results in a larger, less efficient government. That's why since it's inception after WWII, the NHS has been moving inexorably toward privatization one step at a time.
Guantanmo Bay - illegal detention of people in a land that is all about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
As I recall, weren't many of the most egregious examples of prisoner abuse committed by UK troops?
The extent to which businesses and lobbying firms that act for them play a part in US politics
People get so hyped up over "evil lobbyists." What are lobbyists? People lobbying government on behalf of citizens. Everyone loves to hate on things like the cigarette lobby, or the energy lobby, but what about those other lobbyists? The AARP? Are they evil? NAACP? How about Police and Fire unions? It's called collective bargaining, and it's guaranteed by the constitution. If you want to ban lobbying, then ban unions altogether. While some of the extent lobbyists go to I find distasteful, and I agree they should be regulated, it's much ado about little.
Death Penalty
Well, that's one opinion.
Guns, guns and yet more guns and a powerfull lobby to maintain them for the general population (see above about money and lobbying)
We have a 2nd amendment. Sorry.
Willoughby said:there is a difference between lobbyists having an ear to government and the sort of control/power that money seems to bring in washington
I think it should be god's judgement not the states
fine ok then its the 2nd amendment that maintains the number of guns, whatever maintains it i don't agree with!
i am not opposing any belief on any states, i just don't see it as morally rightWho are you to impose your belief in a god on the state?
You are probably right, the same applies to your view of britains NHS for instance. I just find figures on spending in US election and so forth very frighteningAnd I would argue that there's a difference between what you probably see in the press in London and what the day to day life is like in the US gov. All government is corrupt to some degree, and I see no evidence that the US is any worse than anyone else.
you are quite right but i don't go around making statements about my countries moral supremacy, or statements saying that my system of government is the best in the world, or statements saying that my country has had the greatest impact on mankind.As I recall, weren't many of the most egregious examples of prisoner abuse committed by UK troops?
Willoughby said:thats a joke!..no really it is a joke isn't it?
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