Harris agrees to sit for interview with Fox News

[Lursa]

It should take her as long to explain that position as it took me to bang it out on a keyboard. No word salad needed.

Not at all. Your "answer" is a statement that requires explanation for the change, not just a change in job title.

Sorry, that dog wont hunt.

 

[eohrnberger]

So, let's examine this a bit. Two organizations are running with this, and The New Republic is hedging it by using allegedly language.

Who is American Muckrakers? Its primarily David Wheeler. This is his organizations last big scoop.

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www.denverpost.com

Here is CNN's take: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/25/poli...oebert-escort-abortion-sugar-daddy/index.html



Pardon me if I think Wheeler and his slimebag operation deserves any credence before anyone else picks this up.

The same people who cite these far left extremist propaganda smear site sources are the same ones complaining about Fox News? <SMH>

 

[gbg3]

Last I saw, Trump was ahead by a 3-4 pts at most on the economy.

I think it's changing and is back up in many of the most recent polls, even back to double digits in some.

 

[gbg3]

Marone! Trump took the lead in RCP's MI aggregation? I'm blown-away.

*checks Silver Bulletin*

Yep. +0.2% on Nate's site, too. This is bad stuff.

I've been gone for a few hours and quite a number of new polls rolled out today since I left. I think every single one of them was either tied with last time or was better for Trump than the last time the same pollster ran it.

Harris's national lead continues to inch down and Trump's swing state lead continues to inch up. Small moves but nearly all of the moves for about two weeks have been in this direction I just discussed.

 

[Chomsky]

Sigh, just because he left the company, doesn't mean the statistics they use is completely on the up and up. It's flawed because their reputation is now flawed.

FYI - Silver's retained the Intellectual Property (i.e. the Model), and took it and the use rights with him when he left. 538 brought in another guy from a university, who developed their current model. The two models are unrelated.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

And you think IPSOS/NBC isn't a Democrat run organization? They take all reputable pollsters.

Post actual, verifiable proof of your assertion.

Betcha won’t, because you can’t, because you know you’re talking outta your keister.

 

[Chomsky]

I've been gone for a few hours and quite a number of new polls rolled out today since I left. I think every single one of them was either tied with last time or was better for Trump than the last time the same pollster ran it.

Harris's national lead continues to inch down and Trump's swing state lead continues to inch up. Small moves but nearly all of the moves for about two weeks have been in this direction I just discussed.

When the large majority of the polls all move in the same direction, then that generalized movement is very likely to be legit.

Unless this movement cycles and reverts to mean, I find it quite troubling for Harris.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Post actual, verifiable proof of your assertion.

Betcha won’t, because you can’t, because you know you’re talking outta your keister.

Didier Truchot runs IPSOS, he is a French national. It has a center left bias. Do you somehow think he is conservative?

NBC is an entirely different animal. Almost all left leaning, almost all Democrat donors and voters.

 

[OpportunityCost]

FYI - Silver's retained the Intellectual Property (i.e. the Model), and took it and the use rights with him when he left. 538 brought in another guy from a university, who developed their current model. The two models are unrelated.

So they brought in another guy that weights them in a similar way. Their results haven't changed a ton. They still miss to the left when they do miss.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Think what you want to think ....but given the numbers between RCP and 538 are so damn close it's really ridiculous to say there is some sort of finger on the scale.

Look at them right now. They aren't as close as you think.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Didier Truchot runs IPSOS, he is a French national. It has a center left bias. Do you somehow think he is conservative?

NBC is an entirely different animal. Almost all left leaning, almost all Democrat donors and voters.

“Democrat” and “liberal” aren’t synonymous anymore than “conservative” and “Republican”.

NBC employs thousands in it’s news division, and 10’s of thousands across the entire NBC/Universal family.

No way, even in the news division, everyone is a Dem.

An unprovable and illogical assertion.

As for Truchot being center left, that shouldn’t be an issue when considering his polling organization’s performance.

Personally, I really miss the days when the majority of Americans were center left/right. To me, that’s logical, even “normal”.

 

[BrotherFease]

No way, my Brother!

Trump have overperformed polling in both of his prior elections. He over-performed by around 3 pts, if I remember correctly?

Republican-Democrat generalities are fine, but the race that matters is the Presidential Electoral College.

I do appreciate your skepticism and rejecting complacency, but I do not see it your way.

The problem here is the midterms. People should not ignore what happened in November of 2022. Republicans were supposed to win back the Senate. Oz and Walker were favored to win. We instead saw the Democrats adding a seat in the U.S Senate. Fetterman and Warnock won their races. And Warnock won the Georgia race both in November and in the runoff election. The reason: Abortion and people's disgust of Donald Trump (democracy on the line). This is just an undeniable fact. About 50% of the country dislikes the man. Biden set the record for the most votes cast for a U.S President not because people liked Biden, but because they did not want to see Trump again.

So this is why I find it very hard to believe that a man who consistently damages the GOP's brand, somehow has this "secret winning voter base". I simply do not buy it one bit. 2016 Trump is not 2024 Trump. Abortion is your ball game.

 

[trixare4kids]

Your arguments never do seem to stand up well to questions.

Let’s face it, Nate.
Everything in this forum is either about Trump or his supporters.

 

[Callen]

Look at them right now. They aren't as close as you think.

Anything within 2 points is super close,, 1 point is tied.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

His disappearance act seems to be benefitting him in the polling trends these past couple of weeks. One has to wonder if that's the reason he's doing it.

Whats the logic with that? His supporters are so tired of him, that when he shuts up they feel better about him?

 

[OpportunityCost]

“Democrat” and “liberal” aren’t synonymous anymore than “conservative” and “Republican”.

NBC employs thousands in it’s news division, and 10’s of thousands across the entire NBC/Universal family.

No way, even in the news division, everyone is a Dem.

An unprovable and illogical assertion.

As for Truchot being center left, that shouldn’t be an issue when considering his polling organization’s performance.

Personally, I really miss the days when the majority of Americans were center left/right. To me, that’s logical, even “normal”.

Not what I was looking for but an interesting research into bias: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...in-their-views-of-bothsidesism-in-journalism/

This is what I was looking for. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...journalists-are-republicans-study/ar-AA1ma9Eh
3.4% Adding link to the study as I read: https://www.theamericanjournalist.org/_files/ugd/46a507_4fe1c4d6ec6d4c229895282965258a7a.pdf

 

[Hello My Son]

You choose to define these behaviors in an odd way, neither being avoidant, and they are not exactly the same. The examples given for Harris "word salads" are convoluted answers to questions, with tangents that can be difficult to follow. Trump's "word salads" are his spontaneous ramblings while entertaining his fans at rallies, and they contain repeated non truths, dead ends, insults, and lists of grievances, with visits from sharks and fictional characters, that as much as he'd like to claim he is "weaving" leave any intelligent listener wondering how the insanity of this man can be accepted.

I didn't say that the word salads were exactly the same. I said that it's exactly the same for people to ignore word salads in their preferred candidate while attacking word salads in the candidate they oppose is the same behavior regardless of which "side" the people are on.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. If Trump supporters were being smart, they'd tell him to shut up and ramble less. If Harris supporters were being smart, they'd tell her to knock off the unnecessarily wordy and senseless efforts to sound profound that just come across as ridiculous.

 

[Hello My Son]

Whats the logic with that? His supporters are so tired of him, that when he shuts up they feel better about him?

I'd say it's more the undecided/swing voters who go back and forth. They like neither candidate, so the one they're hearing more from/about in the press leads them to lean the other way in the polling.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Not what I was looking for but an interesting research into bias: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...in-their-views-of-bothsidesism-in-journalism/

Nothing surprising in the Pew link.

I agree with those that say “both sides” don’t deserve equal time/coverage when one of the “sides” peddles in objective lies and harmful/damaging conspiracy theories.

Reminds of an incident in TX I remember from just a couple years ago, when a school administrator told teachers that they were expected to discuss/teach about the holocaust, considering the perspectives of both sides of the Nazis systematic murders of millions of Jews.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...in-their-views-of-bothsidesism-in-journalism/

This is what I was looking for. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...journalists-are-republicans-study/ar-AA1ma9Eh
3.4% Adding link to the study as I read: https://www.theamericanjournalist.org/_files/ugd/46a507_4fe1c4d6ec6d4c229895282965258a7a.pdf

Sorry. I don’t give consideration to organizations that traffic in far right lies/disinformation.

Western Journal - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor

mediabiasfactcheck.com

If you assert that there are more liberal news organizations and journalists, I wouldn’t argue with you, but if you assert that those same organizations and journalists intentionally/unfairly present most/all liberal issues in a favorable light and most/all conservative issues in a negative light, there we’ll be in disagreement.

 

[Hello My Son]

Showing quite a good strategy there.

I'd agree with that--but think of it this way.....if it was a good strategy to not debate on Fox News, then why on earth would it suddenly become a good strategy to sit for an interview on Fox News for which FNC producers will have editorial and airing control?

At least a debate is live and cannot be edited before going to air.

 

[JMR]

I didn't say that the word salads were exactly the same. I said that it's exactly the same for people to ignore word salads in their preferred candidate while attacking word salads in the candidate they oppose is the same behavior regardless of which "side" the people are on.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. If Trump supporters were being smart, they'd tell him to shut up and ramble less. If Harris supporters were being smart, they'd tell her to knock off the unnecessarily wordy and senseless efforts to sound profound that just come across as ridiculous.

Bulls**t. The effort to equalize the actions of the candidates is glaringly apparent. Trump sounding like a raging lunatic is not equal to Harris being "wordy". Enough already

 

[JMR]

I'd agree with that--but think of it this way.....if it was a good strategy to not debate on Fox News, then why on earth would it suddenly become a good strategy to sit for an interview on Fox News for which FNC producers will have editorial and airing control?

At least a debate is live and cannot be edited before going to air.

To troll trump. Let's see what he agrees to...and what he cancels at the last moment....do you think repeating the swaying to the playlist will get a second go around?

Do you recall that Trump was insisting the Fox debate (not agreed upon) should occur before the ABC (agreed upon) debate?
Why would anyone agree to Trump's obvious cherry picking? He's on record as saying it's toooo late to debate in late October, even though he agreed to a debate for Oct. 23, 2020.

So now the right wing talking points are 1) the abc debate was three on one; and 2) the 60 minutes interview (which Trump ran from) was edited to make her look good. You're staying on message.!

 

[Hello My Son]

"So what?" Just like Trump said when he was told Vice President Pence was in danger at the Capitol on Jan. 6th.

So what?

Yeah, Trump saying "so what" about that is EXACTLY like me saying "so what" about a bunch of six degrees of separation factors randomly brought up in a debate forum online.

That's like LITERALLY the same thing. LIKE LITERALLY!

 

[OpportunityCost]

Nothing surprising in the Pew link.

I agree with those that say “both sides” don’t deserve equal time/coverage when one of the “sides” peddles in objective lies and harmful/damaging conspiracy theories.

Reminds of an incident in TX I remember from just a couple years ago, when a school administrator told teachers that they were expected to discuss/teach about the holocaust, considering the perspectives of both sides of the Nazis systematic murders of millions of Jews.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...in-their-views-of-bothsidesism-in-journalism/

Sorry. I don’t give consideration to organizations that traffic in far right lies/disinformation.
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Western Journal - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor

mediabiasfactcheck.com

If you assert that there are more liberal news organizations and journalists, I wouldn’t argue with you, but if you assert that those same organizations and journalists intentionally/unfairly present most/all liberal issues in a favorable light and most/all conservative issues in a negative light, there we’ll be in disagreement.

In turn, I would suggest before you engage in the shoot the messenger fallacy you actually have the right damn source.

It's the American Journalist, not Western Journal. This isn't a Deadpool movie, quit trying to break the 4th wall of fail.

 

[Hello My Son]

Bulls**t. The effort to equalize the actions of the candidates is glaringly apparent. Trump sounding like a raging lunatic is not equal to Harris being "wordy". Enough already

I didn't say that the word salads were exactly the same. I said that it's exactly the same for people to ignore word salads in their preferred candidate while attacking word salads in the candidate they oppose is the same behavior regardless of which "side" the people are on.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. If Trump supporters were being smart, they'd tell him to shut up and ramble less. If Harris supporters were being smart, they'd tell her to knock off the unnecessarily wordy and senseless efforts to sound profound that just come across as ridiculous.