Handling power-Every gun owner should hunt and competition shoot

[Andyh2299]

Numbers? Citation?

How are extremist views so popular?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Every gun owner should hunt and competition shoot. Take you AR-15 to hunt hog and deer. Hike with your Glock. The problem is long periods of peace, boredom, and slow economy can give people ichy trigger fingers. Some crazy gun maker stock owner might come up with crazy ideas, like that Nazi ad. Keep your industry alive without the need for conflict.

 

[Glitch]

Every gun owner should hunt and competition shoot. Take you AR-15 to hunt hog and deer. Hike with your Glock. The problem is long periods of peace, boredom, and slow economy can give people ichy trigger fingers. Some crazy gun maker stock owner might come up with crazy ideas, like that Nazi ad. Keep your industry alive without the need for conflict.

The AR-15 chambered for 5.56mm or .223 caliber is not powerful enough for deer or any large game. The best overall caliber for hunting big game in North America would be the .3006 caliber or 7.62mm. It is capable of generating ~2,600 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle, and 2,000+ foot pounds of energy on target if within ~150 meters. The 5.56mm or .223 cal., by comparison generates between 1,200 and 1,400 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Which is insufficient for any large game (and illegal to use on big game in Alaska) at any range.

The AR-15 would make an excellent varmint rifle. It is very accurate at range and capable of taking down anything that is ~100 pounds or less.

 

[Glitch]

There's always rabbits

The AR-15 for rabbit hunting is overkill, but it will do the job. I use an AR-7 for Arctic and Snowshoe hare, and only as targets of opportunity. I don't actually hunt hares.

 

[Glitch]

I've read we have more whitetail now than in pre-Columbian times.

Naturally. Game management is for the benefit of humans, not the game. The fish and game management in every State is all about maximizing the amount of game for hunters and fish for fisherman, because that is a source of revenue.

 

[Glitch]

I don't doubt it. The rest of the large fauna such as bison and elk are gone for the most part, replaced with vast herds of whitetails.

The forest bison in Alaska were untouched by Europeans as they migrated across the continent. There are also elk all over Wyoming and southeastern Montana. I know, I use to hunt them. Now I hunt even bigger critters, moose. Unfortunately there are no whitetails, black tails, mule, or elk this far north. All I get are caribou and moose, but I'm not complaining. I'll take caribou and moose over beef any day.

All of the mega-fauna across the planet, not just in North America, died out at the beginning of the Holocene Interglacial, about 11,700 years ago, at no fault of humanity.

 

[Fledermaus]

How are extremist views so popular?

That is not numbers nor is it citation.

 

[Rucker61]

The Nazis for example. The gangstas. They make up a large percentage of young people upset at the system

Do they? Do you have data to support this?

 

[Rucker61]

Whacking predators does that.

From what I've read it's more to do with less old growth forest and more second growth forest, as the latter allows more sunlight to reach the forest floor, which increased the food supply for deer.

 

[Fledermaus]

From what I've read it's more to do with less old growth forest and more second growth forest, as the latter allows more sunlight to reach the forest floor, which increased the food supply for deer.

There is that too. Fires used to clear out forests but we went to zero tolerance for fires and the forest choked itself.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Apparently

By the way, CS, wouldn't it be hilarious if whitetails knew how to use guns to defend themselves...

That's a Gary Larson cartoon if I'm not mistaken.

 

[SMTA]

Every gun owner should hunt and competition shoot. Take you AR-15 to hunt hog and deer. Hike with your Glock. The problem is long periods of peace, boredom, and slow economy can give people ichy trigger fingers. Some crazy gun maker stock owner might come up with crazy ideas, like that Nazi ad. Keep your industry alive without the need for conflict.

The additional demand and normal gun industry price gouging will just drive up prices.
Bad idea
Stupid thread makes no sense

 

[Bum]

How are extremist views so popular?

Works for balls and questions?

 

[Antiwar]

The AR-15 for rabbit hunting is overkill, but it will do the job. I use an AR-7 for Arctic and Snowshoe hare, and only as targets of opportunity. I don't actually hunt hares.

"I just like killing defenseless animals for absolutely no good reason."

 

[RF667799]

"I just like killing defenseless animals for absolutely no good reason."

You're responsible for animal deaths. I'm sure your reasons are good, though.

Oh...and virtually all animals have some way of defense.

 

[Glitch]

"I just like killing defenseless animals for absolutely no good reason."

Which is why city critters, like you, would starve to death the as soon as they leave their city. You truly have no clue since you consider feeding yourself to be "absolutely no good reason." Let me guess, your food magically appears cellophane-wrapped in grocery stores, right? Yet another fine example of someone who is utterly dependent upon others to feed, cloth, and shelter them. How truly pathetic.

 

[Helix]

I only target shoot every once in a while, and I'm still ok without playing deer Rambo every day. A gun isn't heroin.

 

[Glitch]

There is that too. Fires used to clear out forests but we went to zero tolerance for fires and the forest choked itself.

That may be true for some places, like California, but that does not apply everywhere. Alaska's Department of Fish & Game regularly has prescribed burns to both enhance and renew the forest and to help the critters living in the area.

Prescribed Burn on the Delta Junction Bison Range, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

Alaska Wildlife News is an online magazine published by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game

www.adfg.alaska.gov

 

[Fledermaus]

That may be true for some places, like California, but that does not apply everywhere. Alaska's Department of Fish & Game regularly has prescribed burns to both enhance and renew the forest and to help the critters living in the area.

Prescribed Burn on the Delta Junction Bison Range, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

Alaska Wildlife News is an online magazine published by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game

www.adfg.alaska.gov

California has gotten better over the years.

I remember in the 1980s a fire in the Sierra Nevada was so bad the TV talking heads were talking about the land being sterilized and unfit for growth for another decade.

They were only 9+ years off as the next good rains showed their Chicken Little routine to be wrong. By two years gone and all that would remind you a massive fire went through were the occasional blackened stumps or trunks.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Every gun owner should hunt and competition shoot. Take you AR-15 to hunt hog and deer.

When I hunted hog and gator I took along my .375 H&H Magnum, its more powerful and better suited to hunting such game.

Hike with your Glock.

I've sometimes carried a Glock as a carry gun.

The problem is long periods of peace, boredom, and slow economy can give people ichy trigger fingers. Some crazy gun maker stock owner might come up with crazy ideas, like that Nazi ad. Keep your industry alive without the need for conflict.

So I go to the range and practice, and I take shooting classes, that's how I deal with an itchy trigger finer.

 

[Fledermaus]

When I hunted hog and gator I took along my .375 H&H Magnum, its more powerful and better suited to hunting such game.

I've sometimes carried a Glock as a carry gun.

So I go to the range and practice, and I take shooting classes, that's how I deal with an itchy trigger finer.

H&H isn't frequently seen on this forum.

In a small gun shop I saw a Ross Rifle converted to .300 H&H. Shook my head and laughed.

 

[Glitch]

California has gotten better over the years.

I remember in the 1980s a fire in the Sierra Nevada was so bad the TV talking heads were talking about the land being sterilized and unfit for growth for another decade.

They were only 9+ years off as the next good rains showed their Chicken Little routine to be wrong. By two years gone and all that would remind you a massive fire went through were the occasional blackened stumps or trunks.

I was born and raised in southern California. Fires were always seasonal with the Santa Anna winds. That was typically proceeded by heavy rains in December and March that led to repeated mud-slides and erosion of the soil. At least once a decade there were also droughts that would last two or three years.

California has not gotten better over the years. It has gotten worse, much worse.

Even before I moved to Alaska in 1991 you could not go swimming in the ocean within 72 hours of a rain storm in southern California. None of the storm runoff is treated, and it is all flushed directly into the ocean. If you swam in the ocean within 72 hours after a rain storm you would most likely end up with severe chemical burns. That was more than 30 years ago, and nothing has improved, it has only gotten worse. Californians are destroying their own environment, and they have been doing that intentionally for multiple decades.

 

[Antiwar]

Which is why city critters, like you, would starve to death the as soon as they leave their city. You truly have no clue since you consider feeding yourself to be "absolutely no good reason." Let me guess, your food magically appears cellophane-wrapped in grocery stores, right? Yet another fine example of someone who is utterly dependent upon others to feed, cloth, and shelter them. How truly pathetic.

Your comment read like you're shooting animals for the fun of it. Learn to communicate clearly.

Your cowboy attitude sucks. Everyone is dependent. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[Fledermaus]

Your comment read like you're shooting animals for the fun of it. Learn to communicate clearly.

Your cowboy attitude sucks. Everyone is dependent. You aren't fooling anyone.

Cold hard fact. Many in Alaska depend on hunting to fill the freezer.

That just is.

 

[Glitch]

Cold hard fact. Many in Alaska depend on hunting to fill the freezer.

That just is.

I have a 45 cu. ft. commercial freezer in my garage, and a 10 cu. ft. freezer in my foyer. I can fit one moose, or three caribou into the freezer in my garage, and I try my best every season to put 250 pounds of salmon in the freezer in my foyer. Unfortunately I'm too old to take moose by myself any longer, but thankfully Alaska does allow proxy hunting if you are over 65 years old. I still go caribou hunting, but not as often as I did before and I'm using an ATV these days.