Hamas will never change

[NatMorton]

Keep in mind that their mission is to destroy Israel and create a Palestinian state ‘from the river to the sea’.

Yes, it was a rhetorical question (though I think some in this thread won't be able to see it that way.)

 

[element94]

At what point in Hamas's 40 year arc should we have expected them to "play nice?"

I'm talking to the rubes, apparently.

 

[uptower]

Were this 1944 we could be appalled by the loss of German civilians. Should that have ended WWII with the Nazis remaining in power?

What a waste of space. Gaza is in no way comparable to the existential threat Nazi Germany posed to the free nations of the world. Hamas is not even an existential threat to Israel.

Now you can argue up and down why you think we shouldn't feel sorry for the people of Gaza. Or you can fling lazy whataboutisms like WWII. Frankly I'm not following you down there. I don't see the parallel therefore I do not see any reason to bother.

But when a member here expresses empathy for the civilian casualties of THIS WAR, I am inclined to believe them, because it is a very common sentiment and on a lot of us share.

 

[NatMorton]

Hamas is not even an existential threat to Israel.

We can stop there. The Nazis weren't an existential threat to Europe in 1925, either, yet they had a mission.

 

[Atreus21]

Israeli war criminals absolutely should be hunted down, yes. We can start with Bibi and his pals, I suppose, and go down the list.

After all, they’ve committed far worse atrocities than Hamas has in a fraction of the time. Might as well start with the big fish.

You don't think Hamas should be destroyed?

 

[Tigerace117]

You don't think Hamas should be destroyed?

I think wailing about Hamas when Israel has committed far worse atrocities is silly.

 

[Atreus21]

I think wailing about Hamas when Israel has committed far worse atrocities is silly.

I know it's a waste of time to state this but nothing Israel has done comes anywhere near to Hamas' barbarism. Hamas is a bloodthirsty cult whose entire strategy is a war crime. Using women and children as human shields isn't something they do reluctantly - it's their intent because they can make useful PR from it. Israel is a nation who prosecutes war against those who attack it, and makes the same mistakes and faults any other country does under the same circumstances.

I don't think there has ever been a clearer example of good vs evil since WW2, so people with opinions like yours leave me at a loss for words sometimes.

 

[Tigerace117]

I know it's a waste of time to state this but nothing Israel has done comes anywhere near to Hamas' barbarism. Hamas is a bloodthirsty cult whose entire strategy is a war crime. Using women and children as human shields isn't something they do reluctantly - it's their intent because they can make useful PR from it. Israel is a nation who prosecutes war against those who attack it, and makes the same mistakes and faults any other country does under the same circumstances.

I don't think there has ever been a clearer example of good vs evil since WW2, so people with opinions like yours leave me at a loss for words sometimes.

Israel has killed more innocent civilians in one year than Hamas has in its entire existence, so that’s clearly untrue.

Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers have freely admitted.

The utterly seething hatred America has for Muslims remains truly a sight to behold. Like any bully, America will never get over their usual victims daring to fight back.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Ime many stooooooopid Zionist cheerleaders can't get it through their thick, brain-laundered skulls that 'IZrael' has been murdering 'Palestinians' since waaaaaaaaaay before 'Hamas' even existed! [since ?1987]

Ime Republicrat-level ignoramuses don't understand that, WITH OR WITHOUT 'HAMAS', these twisted Zionists will continue doing what they've been doing for 100 years [murdering, land-thieving, etc.] with GREAT help from murderously retarded Republicrat 'Zionist Christian' shit puppet politician$ and their ignorant, disgusting voters... ugh...

 

[H. E. Panqui]

I know it's a waste of time to state this but nothing Israel has done comes anywhere near to Hamas' barbarism. Hamas is a bloodthirsty cult whose entire strategy is a war crime. Using women and children as human shields isn't something they do reluctantly - it's their intent because they can make useful PR from it. Israel is a nation who prosecutes war against those who attack it, and makes the same mistakes and faults any other country does under the same circumstances.

I don't think there has ever been a clearer example of good vs evil since WW2, so people with opinions like yours leave me at a loss for words sometimes.

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IZrael has taken 100 eyes for one eye historically!! GET KNOWLEDGE! Put away the murderously retarded Zionist rhetoric...ugh..

 

[Atreus21]

Israel has killed more innocent civilians in one year than Hamas has in its entire existence, so that’s clearly untrue.

So did the allies against the Nazis and Japanese, as has been pointed out innumerable times. The death of innocents doesn't distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.

Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers have freely admitted.

The IDF does not, as a matter of policy, use human shields. There are always war crimes in any conflict. For example, the My Lai massacre was a war crime, but the US military does not, by policy, endorse the massacre of civilians.

Hamas does. As I said earlier, their entire strategy is a war crime. Deliberately killing civilians is what they do. It's why they exist. It's what terrorists are. It's how they reach their political aims. That is not true of Israel.

The utterly seething hatred America has for Muslims remains truly a sight to behold. Like any bully, America will never get over their usual victims daring to fight back.

If Denmark were treating (modern) Germany like this, the Germans would be entirely within their rights to push them into the North Sea. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, except to give it a worse name than it already has.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

In an interview with Swedish paper Aftonbladet, Greta Thunberg has corroborated earlier eyewitness reports that she and her fellow Global Sumud Flotilla activists were subjected to monstrous abuses by Israeli officials after being abducted from their boats carrying aid for Palestinians in Gaza.

Here are some excerpts (quotes from Thunberg are italicized, quotes from Aftonbladet are in bold):

“They grab me, pull me to the ground, and throw an Israeli flag over me.”

“They dragged me to the opposite side from where the others were sitting, and I had the flag around me the whole time. They hit and kicked me.”

“They moved me very brutally to a corner that I was turned towards. ‘A special place for a special lady’, they said. And then they had learned ‘Lilla hora’ (Little whore) and ‘Hora Greta’ (Whore Greta) in Swedish, which they repeated all the time...

Israel is so evil it’s actually hard to wrap your mind around it."

Israel Tortured And Sexually Humiliated Greta Thunberg

Israel is so evil it’s actually hard to wrap your mind around it.

caitlinjohnstone.com.au

 

[Tigerace117]

So did the allies against the Nazis and Japanese, as has been pointed out innumerable times. The death of innocents doesn't distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.



The IDF does not, as a matter of policy, use human shields. There are always war crimes in any conflict. For example, the My Lai massacre was a war crime, but the US military does not, by policy, endorse the massacre of civilians.

Hamas does. As I said earlier, their entire strategy is a war crime. Deliberately killing civilians is what they do. It's why they exist. It's what terrorists are. It's how they reach their political aims. That is not true of Israel.



If Denmark were treating (modern) Germany like this, the Germans would be entirely within their rights to push them into the North Sea. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, except to give it a worse name than it already has.

The Allies weren’t slaughtering German civilians long after 1945 or setting up new settlements on German territory.

Deliberately targeting civilians, as Israel did, sure does.

Oh really? So how many IDF officers have been prosecuted for the extensive use of human shields, then?

The Secretary of Defense literally just did so by endorsing Wounded Knee as worthy of the Medal of Honor, btw.

Isra extensively used terrorism to gain their independence and multiple terrorists have held the rank of Israeli prime minister.

Oh really? So you think the Germans pushing Poles “into the sea” is justified, then?

 

[Fledermaus]

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IZrael has taken 100 eyes for one eye historically!! GET KNOWLEDGE! Put away the murderously retarded Zionist rhetoric...ugh..

October 7th.