Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[snakestretcher]

I can't imagine how the families of these living hostages feel, finally having their loved ones back.

I can't imagine how the families, relatives and friends of the 60,000 innocent Muslim civilians bombed and killed by the IDF feel, knowing they'll never see them again. But I guess those deaths are a fair price to pay for the deaths of 1200 Jews. Correct?

 

[Ouroboros]

Tigerace knows his stuff. Just because you don't like reality and prefer your pro-Israel propaganda, doesn't make him wrong.

Would you care to cite a particular post on this thread-- since I have not read everything in it -- in which either you or Tigerace cite some support from a source COMPLETELY independent from Hamas propaganda?

Besides, what Hamas did, as nasty as it was, pales into insignificance compared with the decades of murders, brutality and oppression suffered by the Palestinians under Israeli control.

Nope, Hamas provoked the war so that Israel would kill a bunch of civilians. There might be a handful of specific abuses by the IDF, but the majority of casualties fall upon the non-existent consciences of Hamas leaders. And if you're reaching back pre Oct 7 as Tigerace did, it's only your contention that all of those "murders" were committed against conscientious freedom fighters, when in fact most were justified strikes against terrorists. Now that Hamas has shown as an organization that it values the Palestinian people far less than Israel does, all of the earlier flapdoodle about Israeli "murders" becomes even more problematic, EVEN with the admission that Israel is not going to make itself look bad. Your side wants to yell genocide, but the genocide was perpetrated by Hamas, on their own people.

 

[Ouroboros]

I can't imagine how the families, relatives and friends of the 60,000 innocent Muslim civilians bombed and killed by the IDF feel, knowing they'll never see them again. But I guess those deaths are a fair price to pay for the deaths of 1200 Jews. Correct?

The relations of all those dead Muslims ought to be supporting ANYONE who offers an alternative to Hamas. Have you not heard that once Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas soldiers began killing those precious remaining citizens? Their reason for so doing is pure terror, to keep the citizens from even forging loose affiliations with other parties. It would be fun to send the "No Kings" protesters to Gaza and let them see what real tyranny is like.

 

[Metric Mouse]

I can't imagine how the families, relatives and friends of the 60,000 innocent Muslim civilians bombed and killed by the IDF feel, knowing they'll never see them again.

For sure.

That's why the release of these hostages is so important. Let it be the start of peace for everyone. Even Hamas must understand this.

 

[cpwill]

"High confidence"?

Yes. In the intelligence world that means that it is supported by multiple observations from different sensors, each confirming the other, and there is no credible evidence contradicting it.

Evidence?

As cited for you repeatedly:

...The ultimate assessment that the strike was not the result of an Israeli weapon was based on two primary factors, the officials said. First, the damage from the strike was consistent with a rocket, and not an Israeli munition, such as a bomb dropped from the air or an artillery round, which would have caused significant structural damage to the hospital building and left a large crater. Videos and images show “only light structural damage,” one of the officials said.

Second, analysts were able to track the trajectory based on videos shot from four locations. Two cameras captured the flight of the projectile, which analysts judge to have been launched within the Gaza Strip, the official said. The rocket then traveled northeast, and about 10 seconds after launch, the motor became unstable, the official said. The rocket’s plume fluctuated in intensity, and a few seconds later, analysts observed a large flash. That, the official said, was the motor failing. As a result of the failure, the rocket changed direction, the official said. The rocket came apart and the motor struck the ground, followed by the warhead, which landed at the hospital and caused a large explosion, the official said.​

Of course, you don't care about that because your purpose here is not to try to get at the truth or present an honest depiction of events, but rather to act as a partisan on behalf of HAMAS, whom you continue to refuse to admit lied. :-/

 

[stevecanuck]

For sure.

That's why the release of these hostages is so important. Let it be the start of peace for everyone. Even Hamas must understand this.

Of course they understand it. They just don't want it. Their founding charter has 330 direct references to Islam, jihad, and fighting until Islam obliterates Israel.

The religious component for Hamas is 100%. The charter says:

• Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
• So-called peaceful solutions ... are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
• The Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis.

The Qur'an teaches them:

• (2:154) Do not consider those who are slain for the cause of Allah to be dead. They are alive but you are unaware of them
• (9:111) Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill and are killed."

Every civilian death creates another martyr in the holy cause of destroying Israel while Hamas and international demonstrators cry crocodile tears and shout 'genocide' for the benefit of Western cameras and the useful idiots who lap that shit up. But, behind the curtain, their religious beliefs allow them to rationalize that the civilians they conscript as propaganda fodder will live forever in paradise. Win-win.

Let the usual deflections from the usual brigade of propagandists begin.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your interpretation of the issues in both cases remains a very dull comedy act. You should try selling it to Kimmel.

Your usual inability to debunk any of what I pointed out is noted.

 

[Tigerace117]

The relations of all those dead Muslims ought to be supporting ANYONE who offers an alternative to Hamas. Have you not heard that once Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas soldiers began killing those precious remaining citizens? Their reason for so doing is pure terror, to keep the citizens from even forging loose affiliations with other parties. It would be fun to send the "No Kings" protesters to Gaza and let them see what real tyranny is like.

Funnily enough, given Israel’s genocide, nobody in Gaza is particularly interested in supporting Israeli collaborators like the “Popular Forces”…. Especially given the fact those collaborators spent all their time looting aid trucks

 

[snakestretcher]

Yes. In the intelligence world that means that it is supported by multiple observations from different sensors, each confirming the other, and there is no credible evidence contradicting it.



As cited for you repeatedly:

...The ultimate assessment that the strike was not the result of an Israeli weapon was based on two primary factors, the officials said. First, the damage from the strike was consistent with a rocket, and not an Israeli munition, such as a bomb dropped from the air or an artillery round, which would have caused significant structural damage to the hospital building and left a large crater. Videos and images show “only light structural damage,” one of the officials said.​

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Second, analysts were able to track the trajectory based on videos shot from four locations. Two cameras captured the flight of the projectile, which analysts judge to have been launched within the Gaza Strip, the official said. The rocket then traveled northeast, and about 10 seconds after launch, the motor became unstable, the official said. The rocket’s plume fluctuated in intensity, and a few seconds later, analysts observed a large flash. That, the official said, was the motor failing. As a result of the failure, the rocket changed direction, the official said. The rocket came apart and the motor struck the ground, followed by the warhead, which landed at the hospital and caused a large explosion, the official said.​

Of course, you don't care about that because your purpose here is not to try to get at the truth or present an honest depiction of events, but rather to act as a partisan on behalf of HAMAS, whom you continue to refuse to admit lied. :-/

"High confidence" still means nothing more than an educated guess. Nobody has come out and definitively stated that it was a Hamas rocket misfire. Until someone does I won't be altering my position while an element of doubt and uncertainty remains.

 

[snakestretcher]

For sure.

That's why the release of these hostages is so important. Let it be the start of peace for everyone. Even Hamas must understand this.

I wish I shared your optimism. Until more moderate leadership is established on both sides of the conflict 'peace' remains elusive. Remember, Netanyahu has deliberately sabotaged every attempt at negotiating a lasting peace and a two-state deal.

Israel Rejected Peace with Hamas on Five Occasions

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inkstickmedia.com

All the Times Israel Has Rejected Peace With Palestinians

Israel prefers endless conflict to a Palestinian state, as the past 75 years have shown.

theintercept.com

It's now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu's bad faith | Avi Shlaim

Avi Shlaim: I thought the peace accords 20 years ago could work, but Israel used them as cover for its colonial project in Palestine

www.theguardian.com

 

[snakestretcher]

Would you care to cite a particular post on this thread-- since I have not read everything in it -- in which either you or Tigerace cite some support from a source COMPLETELY independent from Hamas propaganda?

Nope, Hamas provoked the war so that Israel would kill a bunch of civilians. There might be a handful of specific abuses by the IDF, but the majority of casualties fall upon the non-existent consciences of Hamas leaders. And if you're reaching back pre Oct 7 as Tigerace did, it's only your contention that all of those "murders" were committed against conscientious freedom fighters, when in fact most were justified strikes against terrorists. Now that Hamas has shown as an organization that it values the Palestinian people far less than Israel does, all of the earlier flapdoodle about Israeli "murders" becomes even more problematic, EVEN with the admission that Israel is not going to make itself look bad. Your side wants to yell genocide, but the genocide was perpetrated by Hamas, on their own people.

We never see Hamas propaganda-but plenty from Israel. You have no idea what you're talking about-except victim blaming; you're great at that. I also suggest you learn what 'genocide' is. Allow me to educate you:

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

www.un.org

‘Gaza must be eliminated’: Israel’s airwaves are filled with pro-genocide propaganda | Arwa Mahdawi

Here is a collection of 20 of the more outrageous statements by Israeli lawmakers or public figures since 7 October 2023

www.theguardian.com

 

[cpwill]

"High confidence" still means nothing more than an educated guess.

That is incorrect, and so:

Nobody has come out and definitively stated that it was a Hamas rocket misfire.

This is also pretty much incorrect.

We literally watched it happen on multiple sensors.

Until someone does I won't be altering my position while an element of doubt and uncertainty remains.

a standard you immediately forget about as soon as you want to repeat HAMAS claims about Israel, rather disproving your claim to neutral opposition to "propaganda".

 

[Metric Mouse]

I wish I shared your optimism. Until more moderate leadership is established on both sides of the conflict 'peace' remains elusive.

Hamas will have to give up power. Hopefully they do so willingly, and the people of Palestine force them out with international support.

 

[cpwill]

Hamas will have to give up power. Hopefully they do so willingly, and the people of Palestine force them out with international support.

Unfortunately...





:-/

 

[Metric Mouse]

Unfortunately...





:-/

Yep.

The people of Palestine need to kick these guys out. It's the best path forward.

 

[Ouroboros]

Funnily enough, given Israel’s genocide, nobody in Gaza is particularly interested in supporting Israeli collaborators like the “Popular Forces”…. Especially given the fact those collaborators spent all their time looting aid trucks

Your usual inability to debunk any of what I pointed out is noted.

You're not doing much to corroborate snakestretcher's great faith in your ability to cite real-world history.

 

[Ouroboros]

We never see Hamas propaganda-but plenty from Israel. You have no idea what you're talking about-except victim blaming; you're great at that. I also suggest you learn what 'genocide' is. Allow me to educate you:

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

www.un.org

‘Gaza must be eliminated’: Israel’s airwaves are filled with pro-genocide propaganda | Arwa Mahdawi

Here is a collection of 20 of the more outrageous statements by Israeli lawmakers or public figures since 7 October 2023

www.theguardian.com

I asked you to show evidence of the genocide being asserted that is in no way dependent of Hamas propaganda, and you're not doing any better against me than against cpwill.

 

[Tigerace117]

You're not doing much to corroborate snakestretcher's great faith in your ability to cite real-world history.

Coming from a Lost Causer who can’t bear to face the fact the South was fighting to defend slavery and committed treason en masse as a result that’s a laugh.

 

[Tigerace117]

Unfortunately...





:-/

Israel’s made it quite clear they desperately want to carve Gaza up for colonization and kill or drive out as many Palestinians as possible.

The wailing about Hamas, therefore, is throughly worthless.

 

[Ouroboros]

Coming from a Lost Causer who can’t bear to face the fact the South was fighting to defend slavery and committed treason en masse as a result that’s a laugh.

Still waiting for historical citations. Cereal boxes not allowable.

 

[Tigerace117]

Still waiting for historical citations. Cereal boxes not allowable.

You’ve been provided with numerous across multiple threads and every time you’ve flailed and fled faster even faster than your slaver heroes did

 

[Along Came Jones]

I can't imagine how the families, relatives and friends of the 60,000 innocent Muslim civilians bombed and killed by the IDF feel, knowing they'll never see them again. But I guess those deaths are a fair price to pay for the deaths of 1200 Jews. Correct?

I'd say many Israeli's do not consider the deaths of 60,000 innocent Gazans to be a fair price to pay for the deaths of 1,200 innocent civilians and 891 IDF soldiers. Especially so when Hamas survives and is presently executing members of rival clans they call criminal gangs.

The concepts of proportionate force and a just war is lamentably defunct.

 

[snakestretcher]

I asked you to show evidence of the genocide being asserted that is in no way dependent of Hamas propaganda, and you're not doing any better against me than against cpwill.

Speak to the United Nations and every decent government on the planet. The definitions of genocide are clear, and Israel is guilty.

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

www.un.org

Quote; "3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or part".

I would suggest that the deliberate bombing into uninhabitable rubble Gaza's civilian infrastructure, forcing whoever is left alive into concentration camps with the ultimate intention of expelling them into neighbouring countries, fits that specific definition perfectly. Are you happy now, or do you need more help?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

Poll Shows Majority of Israelis Support Expelling Gazans

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www.genocidewatch.com

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/likud-mk-says-its-in-israels-interest-to-expel-all-arabs-from-the-west-bank/

Where's the "Hamas propaganda"?

 

[cpwill]

Yep.

The people of Palestine need to kick these guys out. It's the best path forward.

They lack the ability to do so on their own. :-/

 

[Ouroboros]

You’ve been provided with numerous across multiple threads and every time you’ve flailed and fled faster even faster than your slaver heroes did

Thanks for saving me time by your admitting you got nothing.