Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[snakestretcher]

I suspect this is advice you should take for yourself. I'm not interested in your namecalling.

What you are not interested in is acknowledging historical facts, and that is pathetic in, presumably, an adult.

 

[snakestretcher]

Widespread Rapes did indeed happen.



Actually people sadly do.



There were two parts to that question:

Are you ready to acknowledge the widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket instead of (as HAMAS claimed) an IDF aerial strike?​

You have partially answered the first half, with the "rapes happened" (which is minimizing language, but, a good step).

I have no idea about the 'malfunctioning rocket', and neither do you, because nobody but the IDF has claimed that, and no independent journalists are allowed to enter Gaza to either confirm or dispute Israel's claims. We have many instances of Israel lying for the sake of propaganda-would you like a list? Here are a few examples:

TRT World - 9 major lies Israel promoted after October 7, 2023 to justify genocide in Gaza

We examine key falsehoods and propaganda Israel promoted in bid to manipulate Gaza narrative and sway global opinion, from claims of "beheaded babies" to assertions of a "most moral army".

www.trtworld.com

 

[Tigerace117]

Incorrect.

Prove it.

 

[snakestretcher]

Prove it.

I already asked the poster in question to disprove historical fact (#522). I smell troll.

 

[dcsports]

Prove it.

We've already been through a similar discussion.

 

[cpwill]

I have no idea about the 'malfunctioning rocket', and neither do you, because nobody but the IDF has claimed that

You think no one else in the world has the ability to look at commercial satellite imagery?

Anywho:

U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday they have determined with “high confidence” that Israel was not responsible for the huge explosion at al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City that killed scores of people last week

...The ultimate assessment that the strike was not the result of an Israeli weapon was based on two primary factors, the officials said. First, the damage from the strike was consistent with a rocket, and not an Israeli munition, such as a bomb dropped from the air or an artillery round, which would have caused significant structural damage to the hospital building and left a large crater. Videos and images show “only light structural damage,” one of the officials said.​

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Second, analysts were able to track the trajectory based on videos shot from four locations. Two cameras captured the flight of the projectile, which analysts judge to have been launched within the Gaza Strip, the official said. The rocket then traveled northeast, and about 10 seconds after launch, the motor became unstable, the official said. The rocket’s plume fluctuated in intensity, and a few seconds later, analysts observed a large flash. That, the official said, was the motor failing. As a result of the failure, the rocket changed direction, the official said. The rocket came apart and the motor struck the ground, followed by the warhead, which landed at the hospital and caused a large explosion, the official said.​

We literally watched it happen. And the US IC weren't exactly alone in saying this:

Israel did not strike Gaza hospital, Canada says​

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An assessment by French military intelligence indicates the most likely cause of the deadly explosion at Gaza City’s al-Ahli hospital was a Palestinian rocket... None of their intelligence pointed to an Israeli strike​

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UK intelligence services have concluded that the deadly blast at al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza was caused by a rocket fired by a Palestinian militant group rather than by an Israeli airstrike...​

Etc., So On, and so Forth. Even (not exactly pro-Israel or anti-HAMAS) Human Rights Watch: "The explosion that killed and injured many civilians at al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza on October 17, 2023, resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups, that hit the hospital grounds"

HAMAS' Health Ministry Lied.

 

[Fledermaus]

Whether they are or not, that's not what they claim.

They have also stated quite clearly that civilians are their intended targets.

 

[Tigerace117]

We've already been through a similar discussion.

Yeah, and you never provided a single shred of evidence that anything snakstretcher said was incorrect in any way.

 

[Desert Storm]

Donald Trump loudly pontificating about something the US can’t do makes him the “best president ever”?

The US cant disarm Hamas??

 

[snakestretcher]

You think no one else in the world has the ability to look at commercial satellite imagery?

Anywho:

U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday they have determined with “high confidence” that Israel was not responsible for the huge explosion at al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City that killed scores of people last week

...The ultimate assessment that the strike was not the result of an Israeli weapon was based on two primary factors, the officials said. First, the damage from the strike was consistent with a rocket, and not an Israeli munition, such as a bomb dropped from the air or an artillery round, which would have caused significant structural damage to the hospital building and left a large crater. Videos and images show “only light structural damage,” one of the officials said.​

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Second, analysts were able to track the trajectory based on videos shot from four locations. Two cameras captured the flight of the projectile, which analysts judge to have been launched within the Gaza Strip, the official said. The rocket then traveled northeast, and about 10 seconds after launch, the motor became unstable, the official said. The rocket’s plume fluctuated in intensity, and a few seconds later, analysts observed a large flash. That, the official said, was the motor failing. As a result of the failure, the rocket changed direction, the official said. The rocket came apart and the motor struck the ground, followed by the warhead, which landed at the hospital and caused a large explosion, the official said.​

We literally watched it happen. And the US IC weren't exactly alone in saying this:

Israel did not strike Gaza hospital, Canada says​

​

An assessment by French military intelligence indicates the most likely cause of the deadly explosion at Gaza City’s al-Ahli hospital was a Palestinian rocket... None of their intelligence pointed to an Israeli strike​

​

UK intelligence services have concluded that the deadly blast at al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza was caused by a rocket fired by a Palestinian militant group rather than by an Israeli airstrike...​

Etc., So On, and so Forth. Even (not exactly pro-Israel or anti-HAMAS) Human Rights Watch: "The explosion that killed and injured many civilians at al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza on October 17, 2023, resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups, that hit the hospital grounds"

HAMAS' Health Ministry Lied.

So, intelligence services from Israel's allies side with Israel. How shocking. Try harder, and then make excuses for all the other hospitals, refugee camps and 'safe zones' bombed by Israel. Or were those also 'misfiring' Hamas rockets? I guess like every Israeli excuse, every single destroyed building was a Hamas 'command and control' centre. Maybe you can point out which of these was a Hamas 'command and control centre', or a 'weapons store'.

 

[Tigerace117]

The US cant disarm Hamas??

Gee dude, how have the last couple of American wars against Middle Eastern guerrillas gone again?

How many Americans are you willing to die to help Israel continue carrying out genocide?

 

[snakestretcher]

The US cant disarm Hamas??

No. If the most powerful military in the region, using US-supplied weapons, cannot disarm or defeat Hamas after decades of trying, what makes you think the US can? America hasn't won a war since the cessation of WW2 hostilities. You started plenty though.

 

[cpwill]

So,

So you were wrong when you claimed that nobody had any idea about the rocket (because in fact multiple intelligence services had captured it on multiple sensors), and you were wrong when you claimed that only Israel stated it was a rocket, and you are now refusing to acknowledge this.

intelligence services from Israel's allies side with Israel.

Not really. Three of those four nations decided to take the opportunity of this conflict to declare recognition of a Palestinian State. Furthermore, the list given to you included Human Rights Watch (which you ignored), as well as (by default) every single commercial satellite imagery provider in the world, all of whom showed damage consistent with rocket, and inconsistent with aerial bomb (and none of whom showed the damage to the Hospital that HAMAS claimed).

But hey - maybe they are all making it up. Maybe they are all in a conspiracy together.... and.... for, um. some reason. hostile intelligence communities who would have easily had the power to prove that they were lying.... didn't.... because..... they are all.... controlled by Jews?

Yeah. That's credible. The PRC, Russia, and Iran are all secretly controlled by Israel. That makes sense. That way, you wouldn't have to admit that HAMAS' Health Ministry Lied.




Anywho, I think we've answered the question of whether you are actually willing to call out Propaganda when it comes from your own team. The answer is: No.

 

[Ouroboros]

No. If the most powerful military in the region, using US-supplied weapons, cannot disarm or defeat Hamas after decades of trying, what makes you think the US can? America hasn't won a war since the cessation of WW2 hostilities. You started plenty though.

No one declares war any more in any meaningful way. Trump devastated Iran's nuclear program, which in olden days would be an act of war. Is the US formally at war with Iran? No, because it's easier for them to complain about being horribly mistreated in order to garner sympathy from stupid Mad Lib activists. Ergo, your post is nonsensical, as usual.

 

[Desert Storm]

No. If the most powerful military in the region, using US-supplied weapons, cannot disarm or defeat Hamas after decades of trying, what makes you think the US can? America hasn't won a war since the cessation of WW2 hostilities. You started plenty though

The US could easily do it, but the political will isnt there

 

[snakestretcher]

The US could easily do it, but the political will isnt there

I heard that excuse about Vietnam too often to count-after months of 'Rolling Thunder' couldn't dislodge the VC and NVA it still doesn't make sense, when it was politicians who decided to throw everything in the US arsenal, bar nukes, at the enemy. The political will was there; military competence against a well-entrenched and highly motivated opposition was absent.

 

[snakestretcher]

No one declares war any more in any meaningful way. Trump devastated Iran's nuclear program, which in olden days would be an act of war. Is the US formally at war with Iran? No, because it's easier for them to complain about being horribly mistreated in order to garner sympathy from stupid Mad Lib activists. Ergo, your post is nonsensical, as usual.

Is that what Trump sold you-like he tells you he has brought peace to the Middle East and also destroyed ISIS?

Iran can still build nuclear weapons without further enrichment. Only diplomacy will stop it

Iran's stockpile of uranium enriched at 60 percent would be enough to make several relatively unsophisticated nuclear weapons. So why does nobody talk about it?

thebulletin.org

Fact-checking President Donald Trump’s claims about peace, war and Iran after his Israel address - Poynter

From ‘eight wars in eight months’ to Iran’s nuclear sites, several of Trump’s statements went beyond the evidence

www.poynter.org

Even after US strikes, Iran may still have the ability to make a nuclear bomb

US strikes could have halted Iran's ability to enrich the uranium needed to make a viable nuclear weapon. But that's not the same as preventing its ability to make a nuclear bomb.

news.sky.com

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www.solaceglobal.com

I trust that 'naive' or 'gullible' aren't your middle names. I could be mistaken.

 

[dcsports]

Yeah, and you never provided a single shred of evidence that anything snakstretcher said was incorrect in any way.

It's incorrect at face value - or just plain rhetoric. Noting again that you and he just keep lapsing into deflection and insults.

 

[snakestretcher]

It's incorrect at face value - or just plain rhetoric. Noting again that you and he just keep lapsing into deflection and insults.

It is all historical fact-every last word in the links you clearly ignored. I can only conclude that you are either in denial of reality, or trolling. Or both. Probably both. Your dishonesty is staggering.

 

[Desert Storm]

I heard that excuse about Vietnam too often to count-after months of 'Rolling Thunder' couldn't dislodge the VC and NVA it still doesn't make sense, when it was politicians who decided to throw everything in the US arsenal, bar nukes, at the enemy. The political will was there; military competence against a well-entrenched and highly motivated opposition was absent

Vietnam was (and still is) a completely different theater than Gaza

 

[snakestretcher]

So you were wrong when you claimed that nobody had any idea about the rocket (because in fact multiple intelligence services had captured it on multiple sensors), and you were wrong when you claimed that only Israel stated it was a rocket, and you are now refusing to acknowledge this.



Not really. Three of those four nations decided to take the opportunity of this conflict to declare recognition of a Palestinian State. Furthermore, the list given to you included Human Rights Watch (which you ignored), as well as (by default) every single commercial satellite imagery provider in the world, all of whom showed damage consistent with rocket, and inconsistent with aerial bomb (and none of whom showed the damage to the Hospital that HAMAS claimed).

But hey - maybe they are all making it up. Maybe they are all in a conspiracy together.... and.... for, um. some reason. hostile intelligence communities who would have easily had the power to prove that they were lying.... didn't.... because..... they are all.... controlled by Jews?

Yeah. That's credible. The PRC, Russia, and Iran are all secretly controlled by Israel. That makes sense. That way, you wouldn't have to admit that HAMAS' Health Ministry Lied.




Anywho, I think we've answered the question of whether you are actually willing to call out Propaganda when it comes from your own team. The answer is: No.

Yes, the recognition of Palestine occurred after the alleged rocket 'misfiring'. I also note your silence regarding Israel's routine propaganda lies. You couldn't possibly be dishonest? No, surely not...
Israeli intelligence confirms Hamas' injury and death numbers are largely accurate; but keep denying what you don't like reading because it makes you uncomfortable, facing the truth about your precious Israel.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/

Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says

The panel finds that four of the five genocidal acts defined under international law have been carried out against Palestinians during the war.

www.bbc.co.uk

All anti-Semites, Jew-haters and terror enablers. Right?

 

[snakestretcher]

Vietnam was (and still is) a completely different theater than Gaza

You still lost; like Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea-I'll allow mighty Grenada though; that was a stunning victory against overwhelming odds...

/sarcasm

 

[cpwill]

Yes, the recognition of Palestine occurred after the alleged rocket 'misfiring'.

Indeed it did, rather harming your attempt to claim they were simply mindlessly backing whatever Israel wanted and said.

Anywho, you were wrong when you claimed that nobody had any idea about the rocket (because in fact multiple intelligence services had captured it on multiple sensors), and you were wrong when you claimed that only Israel stated it was a rocket, and you are now refusing to acknowledge this.

Furthermore, the list given to you included Human Rights Watch (which you ignored), as well as (by default) every single commercial satellite imagery provider in the world, all of whom showed damage consistent with rocket, and inconsistent with aerial bomb (and none of whom showed the damage to the Hospital that HAMAS claimed).

So no. Despite your claims, you cannot acknowledge that HAMAS health ministry lies, and remain wedded to defending its propaganda.

I also note your silence regarding Israel's routine propaganda lies. You couldn't possibly be dishonest? No, surely not...
Israeli intelligence confirms Hamas' injury and death numbers are largely accurate; but keep denying what you don't like reading because it makes you uncomfortable, facing the truth about your precious Israel.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/

Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says

The panel finds that four of the five genocidal acts defined under international law have been carried out against Palestinians during the war.

www.bbc.co.uk

All anti-Semites, Jew-haters and terror enablers. Right?

Also worth noting - the "83%" claim was also misinformation, which was debunked within minutes.... but which here you are again repeating, rather reinforcing the point.

 

[snakestretcher]

Indeed it did, rather harming your attempt to claim they were simply mindlessly backing whatever Israel wanted and said.

Anywho, you were wrong when you claimed that nobody had any idea about the rocket (because in fact multiple intelligence services had captured it on multiple sensors), and you were wrong when you claimed that only Israel stated it was a rocket, and you are now refusing to acknowledge this.

Furthermore, the list given to you included Human Rights Watch (which you ignored), as well as (by default) every single commercial satellite imagery provider in the world, all of whom showed damage consistent with rocket, and inconsistent with aerial bomb (and none of whom showed the damage to the Hospital that HAMAS claimed).

So no. Despite your claims, you cannot acknowledge that HAMAS health ministry lies, and remain wedded to defending its propaganda.





Also worth noting - the "83%" claim was also misinformation, which was debunked within minutes.... but which here you are again repeating, rather reinforcing the point.

Israel also has rockets, or did you conveniently forget? Who 'debunked' the 83%? Don't tell me-Israel They got found out over the ambulance convoy lies though, didn't they? You won't acknowledge that either, or offer some pathetic excuse as Israel routinely does.

Israeli Intelligence Has Deemed Hamas-Run Health Ministry's Death Toll Figures Generally Accurate

Senior Israel officials are using the Gaza Health Ministry's death numbers internally, months after both Israel and the U.S. claimed those figures should not be trusted.

www.vice.com

You really hate reading that, don't you.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's incorrect at face value - or just plain rhetoric. Noting again that you and he just keep lapsing into deflection and insults.

So, once again, prove it. Snakestretcher gave you multiple links demonstrating Israel’s behavior. Nobody cares that you don’t want to face up to what they did; you simply blindly denying it is not an argument.

Note that fanatical hatred of Muslims doesn’t make historical facts go away.