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Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

Israel first invaded Palestine in 1948, if you want to play this game. "Stop justifying terrorism" you say? I have never done so; you sound desperate to accuse me of things I never wrote.. Stop making excuses for Israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide, and dismissing facts you prefer not to read. Now go and do something useful; your towering intellect is clearly wasted here.
It is clearly a waste to get someone who endorses the actions of Hamas to understand that Israel perceives, rightly, an existential threat from any group that has a sworn goal to eliminate Jews from the Middle East.
 
Well, see if your country had been under illegal occupation for 70 years, if you were born in and lived in an open air prison all your life, surrounded by 50-foot walls, armed watch towers, had every aspect of your life controlled by a European coloniser, including life's necessities (food, water, power), if you had 700,000 of your people forcibly expelled from their homes and land to make room for the interlopers, had 50 villages torched and now 60,000 of your fellow citizens killed in an ongoing genocide, what would you have done? To add to that there was Zionist terrorism, the bombing of the King David hotel, the Sergeant's Affair, the Sabra and Shatila massacres. You tell me who the terrorists are and who should 'compromise'.
Live a week in a Palestinian's shoes, I imagine your attitude might alter somewhat.
What are you talking about? Let's stick to non-fiction.
 
I’m not interested in your lies.
Everything that I said is still true.


After Hamas took over in 2007, Israel significantly intensified existing movement restrictions and imposed a complete blockade on the movement of goods and people in and out of the Gaza Strip.”
Justified self defense.


Israel has continued to wage war or conduct military operations or whatever euphemism you prefer which has included the usual multiple civilian deaths. This occurred many times between 2008 and 2023.
Justified self defense.


The Gazans are a desperate, oppressed people.
If Gazans dislike wars with Israel, my advice to them is to stop starting them.


You said Israel relinquished control of Gaza. But that’s not true.
Yes it is.


The enclave was blockaded by Israel with people and goods not allowed in or out. That’s a siege.
Justified self defense.


Israel also continued military operations many times in Gaza prior to 2023. I detailed them earlier but they usually involved mass civilian deaths, destruction of property and collective punishment.
Justified self defense.


The Gazans are desperate and have been for decades due to Israel’s oppression of them. You think any support for Hamas is a bad decision, they seemingly don’t agree.
If Gazans dislike war with Israel, my advice to them is to stop starting wars with Israel.
 
Idiotic post
No. Just more facts and reality.


to add to the rest of your equally ignorant input.
Everything that I say is true. That is why no one can point out anything untrue in my posts.


And no, nothing you say is correct-except in your own mind.
Wrong again. Everything that I say is true in reality.


Well, see if your country had been under illegal occupation for 70 years,
Fake news. No such occupation.


if you were born in and lived in an open air prison all your life, surrounded by 50-foot walls, armed watch towers, had every aspect of your life controlled by a European coloniser,
Indigenous Jews are not colonizers. The only colonizers in Israel are Muslims.


including life's necessities (food, water, power), if you had 700,000 of your people forcibly expelled from their homes and land to make room for the interlopers,
Indigenous Jews are not interlopers. The only interlopers in Israel are Muslims.


had 50 villages torched and now 60,000 of your fellow citizens killed in an ongoing genocide,
Falsely accusing Israel of genocide means that Israel now gets to keep the West Bank all to themselves.


I tried explaining that both the Gaza strip and the West Bank are Palestinian territory, despite the distance between the two-much like New York city and Las Angeles are both parts of the US, but he's not listening.
Your explanation is bogus. The West Bank belongs to Israel now because of the false accusations of genocide.


The same as always; Palestine has every right, under international law, to resist a belligerent occupier militarily.
Except that is not what the Palestinians are doing.

The Palestinians are waging an illegal war of annihilation against Israel.


That's the same international law that Israel has been violating with impunity for decades.
No such violation.


Absolute garbage and blatant use of Israeli propaganda.
Nope. Just more facts.


Tell me, what is Israel's goal in driving Arabs from their ancestral homes and establishing a Zionist ethno-state, free of pesky Muslims?
The goal is for Jews to live peacefully in their ancient homeland.

Arabs have no ancestral home in the West Bank area.


I don't know if any rapes were "widespread", and neither do you.
Nonsense. The mass rapes were widely reported by the media.


I also don't know about the rocket. and neither do you. Neither of us were there, nor were the international media, forbidden entry to Gaza by Israel, and who could have either confirmed or rejected those claims. See how easy this is? Don't listen to propaganda. As one notable Republican senator once said, "When war comes the first casualty is truth". Hiram W. Johnson.
Likewise, you have no actual knowledge that the Palestinian "death toll" is even remotely true.
 
Uh….no, it isn’t. These rulings have been handed down for decades. And there is nothing “vague” about their rulings.

“In 2024, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) found in an advisory opinion that Israel's occupation was illegal and ruled that Israel had "an obligation to cease immediately all new settlement activities and to evacuate all settlers" from the occupied territories.”

“In Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004), the ICJ found that Israel's settlements and the then-nascent Israeli West Bank barrier were both in violation of international law; part of the latter has been constructed within the West Bank, as opposed to being entirely on Israel's side of the Green Line.”

The UN has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements in the occupied territories constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

The consensus of the international community – the vast majority of states, the overwhelming majority of legal experts, the International Court of Justice and the UN – is that settlements are in violation of international law.

After the Six-Day War, in 1967, Theodor Meron, legal counsel to the Israeli Foreign Ministry stated in a legal opinion to the Prime Minister,


This legal opinion was sent to Prime Minister Levi Eshkol. However, it was not made public at the time. The Labor cabinet allowed settlements despite the warning. This paved the way for future settlement growth. In 2007, Meron stated that "I believe that I would have given the same opinion today."


“Security reasons” don’t allow you immunity from international law either. That argument has already been rejected by the international community.

The Palestinians have no obligation to accept the illegal Israeli colonization of their land, actually.
None of this has any relevance. They have zero jurisdiction over Israel. We have been over this numerous times.
 
None of this has any relevance. They have zero jurisdiction over Israel. We have been over this numerous times.
International law doesn’t go away just because a country refuses to recognize it.

Just like domestic law, in fact.
 
What are you talking about? Let's stick to non-fiction.
I think @snakestretcher inadvertently has provided a defense for the Israeli attitudes toward survival. Imagine living for 80 years with terrorist attacks, six full-blown wars with Arab countries (not counting Gaza), missiles and rockets, and threat of nuclear attack from Iran.
 
It is clearly a waste to get someone who endorses the actions of Hamas to understand that Israel perceives, rightly, an existential threat from any group that has a sworn goal to eliminate Jews from the Middle East.
Nobody is endorsing Hamas. Please explain how a country with the most powerful military in the region is under "existential threat" from a small group of armed militants. The premise is risible.
 
:snorts:



Uh-huh.

So. Are you ready to acknowledge the widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket instead of (as HAMAS claimed) an IDF aerial strike?




You have not. Instead you insisted that all of a sudden no one could know anything, a position you then immediately abandoned in order to launch accusations ;)



So. Are you ready to acknowledge the widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket instead of (as HAMAS claimed) an IDF aerial strike?




No doubt. :)
I'm not here to pander to your petty demands. My position is clear; I support neither Israel nor Hamas. I do support the right of the Palestinian populace to have their own, sovereign state, just as Israel has, but which Israel is adamant won't ever happen. You can go now.
 
No. Just more facts and reality.



Everything that I say is true. That is why no one can point out anything untrue in my posts.



Wrong again. Everything that I say is true in reality.



Fake news. No such occupation.



Indigenous Jews are not colonizers. The only colonizers in Israel are Muslims.



Indigenous Jews are not interlopers. The only interlopers in Israel are Muslims.



Falsely accusing Israel of genocide means that Israel now gets to keep the West Bank all to themselves.



Your explanation is bogus. The West Bank belongs to Israel now because of the false accusations of genocide.



Except that is not what the Palestinians are doing.

The Palestinians are waging an illegal war of annihilation against Israel.



No such violation.



Nope. Just more facts.



The goal is for Jews to live peacefully in their ancient homeland.

Arabs have no ancestral home in the West Bank area.



Nonsense. The mass rapes were widely reported by the media.



Likewise, you have no actual knowledge that the Palestinian "death toll" is even remotely true.
Quit trolling. You're not very good at it.
 
I'm not here to pander to your petty demands.

You claimed:

unlike some here I don't take sides based on propaganda lies and associated, easily debunked bullshit

So. Are you ready to acknowledge the widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket instead of (as HAMAS claimed) an IDF aerial strike?
 
Incorrect.
Prove me wrong. You can't; all you have is blind denial. Again:



History; you should revisit it sometime and learn something. Making a fool of yourself in the face of historical fact, isn't a good look.
 
You claimed:



So. Are you ready to acknowledge the widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket instead of (as HAMAS claimed) an IDF aerial strike?
Yes, rapes happened. Nobody denies that because evidence exists; 'babies beheaded', a propaganda lie, never happened. Happy now? Are you ready to concede that the IDF has also committed rapes and numerous war crimes? Let's see how far your honesty extends.


 
Yes, rapes happened.

Widespread Rapes did indeed happen.

Nobody denies that because evidence exists.

Actually people sadly do. :(

Happy now?

There were two parts to that question:

Are you ready to acknowledge the widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket instead of (as HAMAS claimed) an IDF aerial strike?


You have partially answered the first half, with the "rapes happened" (which is minimizing language, but, a good step).
 
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History; you should revisit it sometime and learn something. Making a fool of yourself in the face of historical fact, isn't a good look.
I suspect this is advice you should take for yourself. I'm not interested in your namecalling.
 
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