Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[dcsports]

Ah yes, the threat of being called a HAMAS supporter. You see that kind of rubbish threat is wasted on me, because anyone taking anything I've said as an example of me supporting HAMAS is laughable outright, and it's a piss poor deflection.


Sure, but what the West Bank has provided is an example of non-HAMAS leadership in another Palestinian enclave. How well has the general cooperation worked out for Palestinians there? So if you're a Palestinian in Gaza, the West Bank is most certainly relevant since it is an example of what can happen in Gaza. Tell me, how many West Bank Palestinians got a say in the Knesset vote to annex the West Bank, and why shouldn't Palestinians in Gaza be concerned that can be their fate in a few years if a peace agreement doesn't prevent something like that from happening?

It's not Hamas specifically, but the terrorism they bring. Attacks from Gaza were occurring long before Hamas gained control. The proposed peace agreement would not only remove Hamas, but put in place steps to prevent the people in Gaza from regaining the ability to conduct terror. There's no reason to think that Israel wouldn't honor a brokered agreement. The challenge is the Palestinians.

 

[dcsports]

And we are back to running from the fact that your argument was already rejected by the international community decades ago.
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roflol. 'my argument?'. You can't articulate your own position, much less respond to what I've said.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's not Hamas specifically, but the terrorism they bring. Attacks from Gaza were occurring long before Hamas gained control. The proposed peace agreement would not only remove Hamas, but put in place steps to prevent the people in Gaza from regaining the ability to conduct terror. There's no reason to think that Israel wouldn't honor a brokered agreement. The challenge is the Palestinians.

Sputtering about “terror” is worthless given any sort of Palestinian resistance to Israeli murder of their civilians and theft of their land is described as such.

 

[Tigerace117]

roflol. 'my argument?'. You can't articulate your own position, much less respond to what I've said.

You’ve been flailing around desperately trying to ignore the fact “we don’t recognize international law” hasn’t stopped actions from being war crimes….ever, really.

 

[dcsports]

Sputtering about “terror” is worthless given any sort of Palestinian resistance to Israeli murder of their civilians and theft of their land is described as such.

That was a response to a different poster, and you don't understand the context.

We've also discussed the 'theft of land' statement you've made a few times.

You’ve been flailing around desperately trying to ignore the fact “we don’t recognize international law” hasn’t stopped actions from being war crimes….ever, really.

And again, no one is making that argument. You are beating a straw man.

You have been flailing endlessly on this.

 

[Spock]

The point was pretty clear but let me spell it out for you again. You suggested that if Hamas were to disarm or be rejected by Gazans, the Israelis would pack up their tanks and go home.

Do you understand that Israel gave up Gaza to Palestinian control (and Hamas was elected) and would prefer not to be there, don't you?
Do not conflate the West Bank and Gaza.

But if we observe what Israelis do to Palestinians in an environment were there is no Hamas, ie in the West Bank, they also commit atrocities.

Land disputes do not equate to the bombing and warfare in Gaza. You are unbelievable when you cannot distinguish war from border conflicts.

So your blithe assertion that the sticking point is the presence of Hamas is without merit. With or without Hamas, Isreal will continue to inflict war crimes and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank.

Why wasn't Israel in Gaza bombing and "committing genocide" on October 6, 2023?

 

[ElChupacabra]

It's not Hamas specifically, but the terrorism they bring. Attacks from Gaza were occurring long before Hamas gained control. The proposed peace agreement would not only remove Hamas, but put in place steps to prevent the people in Gaza from regaining the ability to conduct terror. There's no reason to think that Israel wouldn't honor a brokered agreement. The challenge is the Palestinians.

Which brings us back to governance in the West Bank. What lessons do Palestinians in Gaza learn from the general cooperation the PA has maintained with the Israeli government? I again bring up the recent symbolic vote by the Knesset on annexing the West Bank.

 

[Spock]

Ah yes, the threat of being called a HAMAS supporter. You see that kind of rubbish threat is wasted on me, because anyone taking anything I've said as an example of me supporting HAMAS is laughable outright, and it's a piss poor deflection.


Sure, but what the West Bank has provided is an example of non-HAMAS leadership in another Palestinian enclave. How well has the general cooperation worked out for Palestinians there? So if you're a Palestinian in Gaza, the West Bank is most certainly relevant since it is an example of what can happen in Gaza. Tell me, how many West Bank Palestinians got a say in the Knesset vote to annex the West Bank, and why shouldn't Palestinians in Gaza be concerned that can be their fate in a few years if a peace agreement doesn't prevent something like that from happening?

You continue to conflate two different situations.
By your reasoning, Israel has treated Gaza since October 7, 2023 exactly like the West Bank.
Tell me how you come to that conclusion. Are you completely disconnected from the daily news reports from Gaza or are you just so committed to disparaging Israel that you cannot distinguish two very different situations?

 

[ElChupacabra]

You continue to conflate two different situations.

I have not. I have mentioned the West Bank only in the context of lessons learned for Palestinians based on what Israel has done to them in that area which was not controlled by HAMAS or in a state of open conflict.

By your reasoning, Israel has treated Gaza since October 7, 2023 exactly like the West Bank.
Tell me how you come to that conclusion. Are you completely disconnected from the daily news reports from Gaza or are you just so committed to disparaging Israel that you cannot distinguish two very different situations?

That was not my reasoning at all, which is what I posted above. The West Bank is more relevant in a post conflict scenario and what can be expected to occur based on existing Israeli policy there. The "disparaging Israel" deflection is weak, since nothing I've said is disparaging and accurate to their policies thus far.

 

[Pyrite]

It's not Hamas specifically, but the terrorism they bring. Attacks from Gaza were occurring long before Hamas gained control. The proposed peace agreement would not only remove Hamas, but put in place steps to prevent the people in Gaza from regaining the ability to conduct terror. There's no reason to think that Israel wouldn't honor a brokered agreement. The challenge is the Palestinians.

The Palestinians in Gaza were attacking Israel and conducting terror?

This is what you stated, here in Post #276.

I'd like you to try to corroborate your claim.

 

[dcsports]

Which brings us back to governance in the West Bank. What lessons do Palestinians in Gaza learn from the general cooperation the PA has maintained with the Israeli government? I again bring up the recent symbolic vote by the Knesset on annexing the West Bank.

A pretty disjointed connection you are trying to make there.

In general, the West Bank's approach has been better, especially without the mass terror attacks and stated goal of genocide from Hamas. However, it would probably be in their best interests to sever their ties to the Gaza strip, tamp down on terrorism from there, and move forward with earnest negotiations on a permanent solution with Israel.

The vote from Knesset is symbolic - as you point out - and a sign from that area that they want to move forward with a more permanent solution. The area has been a part of Israel for over half a century, and it's really not fair to anyone to leave it in limbo.

 

[dcsports]

The Palestinians in Gaza were attacking Israel and conducting terror?

This is what you stated, here in Post #276.

I'd like you to try to corroborate your claim.

roflol. Read up on the situation. They've been launching rockets and conducting terror attacks for generations.

 

[Pyrite]

roflol. Read up on the situation. They've been launching rockets and conducting terror attacks for generations.

I've been "reading up [sic]" the topic of Israeli/Palestinian relations.

Back to your contention the Gaza Palestinians have been attacking Israel and "conducting terror" against Israelis - and now, you add the claim the Palestinians in Gaza have been doing this "for generations":

PROVE these claims. Your failure to substantiate your statements will be a tacit acknowledgement you're just voicing your own uninformed opinions.

 

[dcsports]

I've been "reading up [sic]" the topic of Israeli/Palestinian relations.

Then you would be familiar with the tens of thousands of rockets launched into Israel, and the long history of terror attacks from the Palestinians.

Back to your contention the Gaza Palestinians have been attacking Israel and "conducting terror" against Israelis - and now, you add the claim the Palestinians in Gaza have been doing this "for generations":

PROVE these claims. Your failure to substantiate your statements will be a tacit acknowledgement you're just voicing your own uninformed opinions.

That's silly, and speaks to your lack of dishonesty.

Here's wikipedia article on the ongoing conflict timeline.

Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Pyrite]

Then you would be familiar with the tens of thousands of rockets launched into Israel, and the long history of terror attacks from the Palestinians.


That's silly, and speaks to your lack of dishonesty.

Here's wikipedia article on the ongoing conflict timeline.

Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not surprised you cannot corroborate your claims that "for generations", the "Palestinians" in Gaza have been attacking Israel and "conducting terror" against Israelis.

So, all you've got are your opinions - essentially, what you likely want to be true.

(As you know, I don't do your homework. YOU have to copy and paste excerpts from credible sources - no, wiki is handy, but I don't consider it credible - to which you provide the links.)

 

[dcsports]

I'm not surprised you cannot corroborate your claims that "for generations", the "Palestinians" in Gaza have been attacking Israel and "conducting terror" against Israelis.

So, all you've got are your opinions - essentially, what you likely want to be true.

(As you know, I don't do your homework. YOU have to copy and paste excerpts from credible sources - no, wiki is handy, but I don't consider it credible - to which you provide the links.)

ROFLOL. I don't have to 'corroborate' anything. Anyone with a passing knowledge of the situation is familiar with the half century+ of attacks suffered by Israel.

If you aren't familiar, then you need to do your homework. It's not up to me to bring you up to speed.

And while wikipedia does have it's limitations, for the most part it is credible - you can actually scroll to the bottom of that article and find 201 sources if you care to read them.

 

[Decypher]

Do you understand that Israel gave up Gaza to Palestinian control (and Hamas was elected) and would prefer not to be there, don't you?
Do not conflate the West Bank and Gaza.

Land disputes do not equate to the bombing and warfare in Gaza. You are unbelievable when you cannot distinguish war from border conflicts.

Why wasn't Israel in Gaza bombing and "committing genocide" on October 6, 2023?

Describing the situation in the West Bank as a “border dispute” is either breathtakingly dishonest or simple ignorance of what has happened there. I’ll be charitable and assume the latter. Watch Louis Theroux’s recent documentary on the subject and get back to me.

 

[Pyrite]

ROFLOL. I don't have to 'corroborate' anything. Anyone with a passing knowledge of the situation is familiar with the half century+ of attacks suffered by Israel.

If you aren't familiar, then you need to do your homework. It's not up to me to bring you up to speed.

And while wikipedia does have it's limitations, for the most part it is credible - you can actually scroll to the bottom of that article and find 201 sources if you care to read them.

Fine by me that you don't substantiate your statements.

In the meantime, we're left with the Government of Israel's ongoing brutalization and terrorization of defenseless men, women, children, and babies trapped in Gaza.

 

[dcsports]

Fine by me that you don't substantiate your statements.
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I actually did, but it's clear you aren't interested in an honest conversation.

 

[Pyrite]

I actually did, but it's clear you aren't interested in an honest conversation.

No, you didn't. Posting a link isn't sufficient.

I didn't expect you to be able to corroborate your claim that "for generations" Palestinians in Gaza have "attacked Israel" and "conduct terrorism".

You've not disappointed in that respect.

 

[dcsports]

No, you didn't. Posting a link isn't sufficient.

I didn't expect you to be able to corroborate your claim that "for generations" Palestinians in Gaza have "attacked Israel" and "conduct terrorism".

You've not disappointed in that respect.

In this situation, it absolutely was. You asked about the history of the conflict, and I gave you a link to a timeline, showing many terrorist attacks on Israel. I was being generous to you, given the disingenuous request.

I'm not interested in your sealioning, name calling, and other deflection. Good luck to you.

 

[Pyrite]

In this situation, it absolutely was. I was being generous to you, given the absurdity of your request. Again, I would encourage you to learn about the topic.

I'm not interested in your sealioning, name calling, and other deflection. Good luck to you.

You cannot corroborate your claims.

(BTW, pointing out this fact is not deflection, sealioning, name calling, or anything else other than stating the truth.)

 

[dcsports]

You[deflection removed]

I pointed out the obvious, and gave you a reference.

 

[Pyrite]

I pointed out the obvious, and gave you a reference.

I don't do links/references.

I don't do your work: your claims, you do the work.

I doubt many people here expected you would be able to back up your claims that "for generations" Palestinians in Gaza "have attacked" Israel and have "conducted terrorism".

 

[dcsports]

I don't do links/references.

You asked for references, and I provided one. Clearly, your request was disingenuous.

Again, this is common knowledge. I would encourage you to learn about the situation we're discussing.


I'm not interested in your deflection. This whole line of posts is absurd. I can't tell what your goal here is other than to try to throw mud.