Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[Spock]

Well, same to you.. You don’t know that if the Palestinian people rejected Hamas, then Isreal would stop the bloodshed.a

Given that Hamas initiated the Gaza War, abducted Israeli persons to hold as hostage, has demanded the capitulation of Hamas and disarmament, and rejected any idea of continued Hamas rule in Gaza, the constellation of evidence is that Israel will accept an end of the war.

The absence of Hamas in the West Bank hasn’t stopped ethnic cleansing there.

Nonsense. You do not understand ethnic cleansing.

Placing the responsibility for ending the war on a civilian population rather than than the military conducting it is upside down thinking, which simply seeks to justify Israeli war crimes.

Hamas continues the war because Hamas has support from the civilian population. If the civilian population rejected Hamas, there would be no way for Hamas to persist. Mass protest and demonstration are successful methods for the expression of will by non-combatant populations.

 

[Decypher]

Given that Hamas initiated the Gaza War, abducted Israeli persons to hold as hostage, has demanded the capitulation of Hamas and disarmament, and rejected any idea of continued Hamas rule in Gaza, the constellation of evidence is that Israel will accept an end of the war.

They broke the last ceasefire, and dialogue within Israel suggests they simply wish to annex Gaza for themselves.

Nonsense. You do not understand ethnic cleansing.

Settlers in the West Bank bulldoze Palestinian houses and farms and build their own settlements on the stolen land. They are literally cleansing the land of Palestinians.

Hamas continues the war because Hamas has support from the civilian population. If the civilian population rejected Hamas, there would be no way for Hamas to persist. Mass protest and demonstration are successful methods for the expression of will by non-combatant populations.

Isreal are waging the war and they could stop it today if they wanted to. You can’t escape that fact.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Hamas Says...........​

And of course, some Trump supporters BELIEVE what Hamas says, amirite?

This is in response to a proposal from president Trump.

There is an old saying coined by the Doobie Brothers.............

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away

Now for all those who actually BELIEVE Hamas..............

Prior to the 10-13 August ceasefire, Hamas violated every ceasefire and humanitarian lull. Even a lull initiated by Hamas was promptly violated by the terrorists themselves.
Following is a chronology of Hamas' violations of the ceasefires:

https://www.gov.il/en/pages/protective-edge-hamas-violations-of-ceasefires-a-chronology

 

[Spock]

They broke the last ceasefire, and dialogue within Israel suggests they simply wish to annex Gaza for themselves.

Israel recently was controlling Gaza and voluntarily relinquished that control. How did that work out?

Settlers in the West Bank bulldoze Palestinian houses and farms and build their own settlements on the stolen land. They are literally cleansing the land of Palestinians.

Why must every discussion of Gaza involve the West Bank?
If it must be discussed, perhaps you will explain why Palestinians continue terrorist actions and demand the destruction of Israel?
Regardless of your response, the West Bank is irrelevant to the Gaza War as much as Lebanon is.

Isreal are waging the war and they could stop it today if they wanted to. You can’t escape that fact.

I never claimed that Israel was without influence in the war. However, Gazans and Hamas are not without responsibility nor power to end the war. Hamas does not seem concerned with the destruction to Gaza; any responsible governing authority in Gaza would see that Gaza was much better off BEFORE October 7 and Hamas cannot prevail in this conflict. Hamas must surrender.

 

[snakestretcher]

"Posting facts that you dislike" is not trolling.



Facts are hardly crap. And you don't speak for anyone else.

You never post facts, you simply claim you are always correct. That variety of arrogant ignorance gets you nowhere. Go and do something useful for a change.

 

[snakestretcher]

Israel recently was controlling Gaza and voluntarily relinquished that control. How did that work out?

Why must every discussion of Gaza involve the West Bank?
If it must be discussed, perhaps you will explain why Palestinians continue terrorist actions and demand the destruction of Israel?
Regardless of your response, the West Bank is irrelevant to the Gaza War as much as Lebanon is.

I never claimed that Israel was without influence in the war. However, Gazans and Hamas are not without responsibility nor power to end the war. Hamas does not seem concerned with the destruction to Gaza; any responsible governing authority in Gaza would see that Gaza was much better off BEFORE October 7 and Hamas cannot prevail in this conflict. Hamas must surrender.

The West Bank is "irrelevant" when Palestinians are being murdered by illegal 'settlers', while the IDF stands by and watches? You might want to educate yourself. Start here:

Why the West Bank is central to Israeli-Palestinian conflict – DW – 09/30/2025

The West Bank will play a significant role in any future resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As settlements continue to expand into the Palestinian territory, population and politics are sticking points.

www.dw.com

 

[snakestretcher]

India, 1948
USA, 1960's ( MLK and civil rights)
Poland (1980's) Solidarity movement

Those were not armed insurrections which is what 2A was designed to address.

 

[hecatmoggie]

10 months Trump has been working on it and both hamas and Israel both don't seem to want peace

I'm not holding my breath on this

 

[snakestretcher]

The resistance movements had a disproportionate cost on the native populations in WWII.
It is a popular trope to glorify the actions for propaganda and patriotic reasons, but they were, in final analysis, not a force for effective warfare.

History disagrees with you. The French resistance provided, among other things, much invaluable intelligence to the Allies on troop movements, rail movement of military supplies etc., etc., allowing those to be attacked from Britain, by air. British SOE agents working with the resistance also risked torture and death if caught; and many were. They were also instrumental in supplying crucial details of German defences prior to the D-Day landings.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/spies-saboteurs-and-d-day

 

[Tigerace117]

Given that Hamas initiated the Gaza War, abducted Israeli persons to hold as hostage, has demanded the capitulation of Hamas and disarmament, and rejected any idea of continued Hamas rule in Gaza, the constellation of evidence is that Israel will accept an end of the war.

Nonsense. You do not understand ethnic cleansing.

Hamas continues the war because Hamas has support from the civilian population. If the civilian population rejected Hamas, there would be no way for Hamas to persist. Mass protest and demonstration are successful methods for the expression of will by non-combatant populations.

Given Israel was murdering Palestinian civilians well before October 7th, routinely uses Palestinians as human shields, and is engaged in a campaign of genocide, whining about the Palestinians not engaging in “mass protest” is absurd.

You have never answered how they are supposed to engage in “mass protest” with Israel routinely bombing Palestinian civilians in the first place.

 

[Tigerace117]

India, 1948
USA, 1960's ( MLK and civil rights)
Poland (1980's) Solidarity movement

India in 1948 succeeded solely because the occupiers were foreigners from the other side of the planet exhausted after five years of bloody war.

 

[Tigerace117]

Israel recently was controlling Gaza and voluntarily relinquished that control. How did that work out?

Why must every discussion of Gaza involve the West Bank?
If it must be discussed, perhaps you will explain why Palestinians continue terrorist actions and demand the destruction of Israel?
Regardless of your response, the West Bank is irrelevant to the Gaza War as much as Lebanon is.

I never claimed that Israel was without influence in the war. However, Gazans and Hamas are not without responsibility nor power to end the war. Hamas does not seem concerned with the destruction to Gaza; any responsible governing authority in Gaza would see that Gaza was much better off BEFORE October 7 and Hamas cannot prevail in this conflict. Hamas must surrender.

Because Gazans are not blind. They are aware of what Israel is doing to other Palestinians in the West Bank, and it influences their decision making.

All Palestinian resistance to Israel is declared “terrorism”, so that is a meaningless question.

The West Bank is very relevant, as it shows why “surrender” is pointless.

 

[snakestretcher]

10 months Trump has been working on it and both hamas and Israel both don't seem to want peace

I'm not holding my breath on this

Hamas don't want peace on Israel's terms alone. Preconditions to peace talks have previously included completely unacceptable demands by Israel-refusal to vacate illegal settlements, refusal to allow a Palestinian state a self-defence force, the status of Jerusalem, among others.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Hamas don't want peace on Israel's terms alone. Preconditions to peace talks have previously included completely unacceptable demands by Israel-refusal to vacate illegal settlements, refusal to allow a Palestinian state a self-defence force, the status of Jerusalem, among others.

the wars/fighting/conflicts between religions in the middle east have went on for thousands of years

there will never be peace - only brief moments of non-war

 

[PeteEU]

India in 1948 succeeded solely because the occupiers were foreigners from the other side of the planet exhausted after five years of bloody war.

No.. it was forced on the British by the Americans. The British did not want to give up their Empire and did everything to delay it.

The country you can say this about is Vietnam.. the French were exhausted after WW2 and could not maintain their grip on Vietnam.

 

[snakestretcher]

the wars/fighting/conflicts between religions in the middle east have went on for thousands of years

there will never be peace - only brief moments of non-war

Since the end of WW2, guess which nation has engaged in more wars of aggression than any other. I'll help; the USA.

 

[snakestretcher]

India in 1948 succeeded solely because the occupiers were foreigners from the other side of the planet exhausted after five years of bloody war.

India was also extremely expensive to administer. Britain was broke after six years of war.

The 4 Key Reasons India Gained Independence in 1947

[adthrive-in-post-video-player video-id=”fiTFqxnD” upload-date=”2022-03-29T16:01:06.000Z” name=”A Tour of the India...

www.historyhit.com

 

[Spock]

The West Bank is "irrelevant" when Palestinians are being murdered by illegal 'settlers', while the IDF stands by and watches? You might want to educate yourself. Start here:

Why the West Bank is central to Israeli-Palestinian conflict – DW – 09/30/2025

The West Bank will play a significant role in any future resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As settlements continue to expand into the Palestinian territory, population and politics are sticking points.

www.dw.com

You are entitled to your misconceptions.
The issue under discussion is Gaza.
Gazans will be far better off if Hamas surrenders, disarms and releases the hostages.

 

[Tigerace117]

No.. it was forced on the British by the Americans. The British did not want to give up their Empire and did everything to delay it.

The country you can say this about is Vietnam.. the French were exhausted after WW2 and could not maintain their grip on Vietnam.

Britain could not have held India if India had erupted into uprising. The domestic Indian forces would not have supported them, and much of Britain was still rubble.

They didn’t want to give up their empire, but they had no choice in the matter. They were too exhausted to even make an attempt to try and hold it

 

[Tigerace117]

You are entitled to your misconceptions.
The issue under discussion is Gaza.
Gazans will be far better off if Hamas surrenders, disarms and releases the hostages.

Israel’s actions in the West Bank show that very clearly not to be the case.

 

[Spock]

History disagrees with you. The French resistance provided, among other things, much invaluable intelligence to the Allies on troop movements, rail movement of military supplies etc., etc., allowing those to be attacked from Britain, by air. British SOE agents working with the resistance also risked torture and death if caught; and many were. They were also instrumental in supplying crucial details of German defences prior to the D-Day landings.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/spies-saboteurs-and-d-day

Repeating a trope does not disprove it.
You would have to demonstrate more than selective occasional benefit. Guerrilla resistance did not end WWII and was not required for eventual Allied victory.

 

[Tigerace117]

India was also extremely expensive to administer. Britain was broke after six years of war.

The 4 Key Reasons India Gained Independence in 1947

[adthrive-in-post-video-player video-id=”fiTFqxnD” upload-date=”2022-03-29T16:01:06.000Z” name=”A Tour of the India...

www.historyhit.com

With how massive India is that’s pretty unsurprising.

 

[Tigerace117]

Repeating a trope does not disprove it.
You would have to demonstrate more than selective occasional benefit. Guerrilla resistance did not end WWII and was not required for eventual Allied victory.

Tell that to the people of what was Yugoslavia.

 

[snakestretcher]

You are entitled to your misconceptions.
The issue under discussion is Gaza.
Gazans will be far better off if Hamas surrenders, disarms and releases the hostages.

Gaza and the West Bank are essentially the same as far as the peace process is concerned. They are both Palestinian territory, and both make up the State of Palestine.

West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Spock]

Those were not armed insurrections which is what 2A was designed to address.

Not making any sense.
The listed civil mass actions were to demonstrate the power of non-violent demonstrations that could be undertaken by Gazans to reject Hamas.