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Are you aware my lovely Turbeaux that the word "fundementalism" didn't exist before 1920 and it was invented in the United States by Rev. Curtis Lee Laws?

Are you also aware that the United States had three born again Christian Presidents, Carter, Reagan and Bush while the modern Muslim society has been governed by seculars with Khumeini being the first religious leader in the Islamic world ?

Now talking about women and Islam, are you aware that even though 32 states had voted for the Equal Rights Amendment in 1973, Christian right activists were able to halt its momentum and the states of Nebraska, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana and south Dakota reversed their votes ?

Did you know that part of the Jewsih morning praise by men is:

Blessed are You, Eternal One our God, Sovereign of the Universe, who did not make me a woman.
Blessed are You, Eternal One our God, Sovereign of the Universe, who did not make me a Gentile.
Blessed are You, Eternal One our God, Sovereign of the Universe, who did not make me a slave.

Are you aware that until today baby girls are drowned at birth in India ???
 
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Not at all since it would be clear obvious proof that you surrender because you could not accept repeated defeat.:mrgreen:

hmmmm, could it be that I'm tired of your blabber and prefer not to waste my time with you ?
 
Are you aware my lovely Turbeaux that the word "fundementalism" didn't exist before 1920 and it was invented in the United States by Rev. Curtis Lee Laws?

Are you also aware that the United States had three born again Christian Presidents, Carter, Reagan and Bush while the modern Muslim society has been governed by seculars with Khumeini being the first religious leader in the Islamic world ?

Now talking about women and Islam, are you aware that even though 32 states had voted for the Equal Rights Amendment in 1973, Christian right activists were able to halt its momentum and the states of Nebraska, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana and south Dakota reversed their votes ?

Did you know that part of the Jewsih morning praise by men is:

Blessed are You, Eternal One our God, Sovereign of the Universe, who did not make me a woman.
Blessed are You, Eternal One our God, Sovereign of the Universe, who did not make me a Gentile.
Blessed are You, Eternal One our God, Sovereign of the Universe, who did not make me a slave.

Are you aware that until today baby girls are drowned at birth in India ???

I tell you what I’m aware of. I’m aware that you exhibit very dhimmified behavior by going out of your way to compulsively and incessantly apologize for Islam and attempt to equate it with other religions when Islam is by far a totalitarian political movement than it is anything else.
 
hmmmm, could it be that I'm tired of your blabber and prefer not to waste my time with you ?

Nah...it's obvious...you can't refute the message. :mrgreen:
 
I tell you what I’m aware of. I’m aware that you exhibit very dhimmified behavior by going out of your way to compulsively and incessantly apologize for Islam and attempt to equate it with other religions when Islam is by far a totalitarian political movement than it is anything else.

Instead of wrongly analising my person, proove me wrong.
 
Nah...it's obvious...you can't refute the message. :mrgreen:

Nah... it's obvious... I find your posts empty and boring to say the very least.
 
Since you claim that I need to educate myself, how about you putting your money where your mouth is by googling up a single example of Muslims fighting anytime in the past 1400 years where the Muslims fought according to the civilized rules of engagement instead of resorting to terrorism every time in emulation of their Prophet, Muhammad, the uswa hasana. I hope you don’t mind if I don’t hold my breath?

You want an example of Muslim soldiers fighting the "courageous" way? Indeed, you don't need to hold your breath, I can find examples in 5 seconds:

WWI: 170,000 (muslim) Algerians fight in the French Army, 33,000 are killed in the trenches of Northern France
Army of Africa (France) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WWII: you have the Goumiers, Morrocan soldiers in the French arm
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goumier]Goumier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
A few hundreds of them have been killed by the Germans near my village in 1940


[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipahi]Sipahi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

...
 
Instead of wrongly analising my person, proove me wrong.

Gladly! You foolishly are attempting to equate Islam with other religions in a feeble and deceptive attempt to make a point that Islam is no worse or no better than any other religion. However, Islam unlike every other religion is the only religion that has a universal mission and "obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." No other religion has this same obligatory universal mandate. Only Islam alone.

Reference below:
"In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force ... The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense ... They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations."

--Ibn Khaldun
 
Nah... it's obvious... I find your posts empty and boring to say the very least.

Have to say that not in just this particular thread but in all the Muslim threads it is common to see Muslims deny but never really refute the claims made against their religion.

Even without reading books people simply by observing the actions/reactions of Muslims around the world are under no illusions that Islam is an oppressive intolerant religion that will not hesitate to kill anyone including its own followers if they do not bow to it.

moe
 
You want an example of Muslim soldiers fighting the "courageous" way? Indeed, you don't need to hold your breath, I can find examples in 5 seconds:

WWI: 170,000 (muslim) Algerians fight in the French Army, 33,000 are killed in the trenches of Northern France
Army of Africa (France) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WWII: you have the Goumiers, Morrocan soldiers in the French arm
Goumier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A few hundreds of them have been killed by the Germans near my village in 1940


Sipahi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Both of your examples are of Arabs fighting under the auspices and authority of another country’s military, France in this case, and against another military. Thus, they don’t count because it isn’t an example of Muslims fighting under their own authority and for their own objectives and causes. Nice try though.
 
Have to say that not in just this particular thread but in all the Muslim threads it is common to see Muslims deny but never really refute the claims made against their religion.

Even without reading books people simply by observing the actions/reactions of Muslims around the world are under no illusions that Islam is an oppressive intolerant religion that will not hesitate to kill anyone including its own followers if they do not bow to it.

moe

First of all I am not a Muslim. I am born to a Christian family but consider myself to be an atheist.

Second if I run into someone villifying Christians, Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, gays, Gypsies, Mormons or any other group of people, I would defend them in the same way. But bashing Islam seems to be "à la mode" these days.

A friend of mine was telling me the meaning of "diabolo", she said it means "that who divides". What I see on this forum often are people who try to divide instead of unite.

Humans never learn from their history and I find it to be sad.

Good luck with all of your evil thoughts.
 
Nah... it's obvious... I find your posts empty and boring to say the very least.

Come on admit it Mira, you have a great big crush on me! :3oops:
 
Gladly! You foolishly are attempting to equate Islam with other religions in a feeble and deceptive attempt to make a point that Islam is no worse or no better than any other religion. However, Islam unlike every other religion is the only religion that has a universal mission and "obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." No other religion has this same obligatory universal mandate. Only Islam alone.

Reference below:


--Ibn Khaldun


What you and your Mr. Raymond Ibrahim forget to mention is that your vision of Islam is not what is tought to Muslims around the world.

You both seem to deny the fact that this is not what is preached by Imams and Muftis in mosques but rather by fundementalist zealots who prefer to remain in the dark ages.

Both you and Mr. Ibrahim seem to be wanting to deny the fact that the average Muslim doesn't even know what you're talking about.

You also seem to dismiss the fact that enough blood has been shed in the name of religion and that the first step to modernity is the seperation of state and church.

You and Mr. Ibrahim are forgetting that we are in the 21st century and that religious scripture was written in another time and age.
 
What you and your Mr. Raymond Ibrahim forget to mention is that your vision of Islam is not what is tought to Muslims around the world.

Don’t you ever get tired of playing games? As I have mentioned in one of my earlier post already today, that is the exact same exegesis that is taught by all four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which together govern and control all the various different sects of Islam throughout the world. Not only that, but it is the same exact exegesis of all the leading and accepted Muslims exegetes like Ibn Khaldun down through the ages.

You both seem to deny the fact that this is not what is preached by Imams and Muftis in mosques but rather by fundementalist zealots who prefer to remain in the dark ages.

Give me a break! You never ever give up trying to prevaricate and apologize for Muslims do you? Indeed, it is exactly what is taught in mosques and madrassahs all over the world. If you don’t believe me, just spend a few hours reading transcribed sermons at MEMRI: The Middle East Media Research Institute to find out or reading the transcribe text books taught in school books all over the world and even in the USA.

Both you and Mr. Ibrahim seem to be wanting to deny the fact that the average Muslim doesn't even know what you're talking about.

I wish I could say you wish, but I’m already convinced you are being deliberately intellectually dishonest.

You also seem to dismiss the fact that enough blood has been shed in the name of religion and that the first step to modernity is the seperation of state and church.

In Islam there is no separation of mosque and state, as Islam is the state and Sharia is the rule of law.

You and Mr. Ibrahim are forgetting that we are in the 21st century and that religious scripture was written in another time and age.

Can you point to a reformation and period of enlightenment that ever happen in the Islamic world? The reality is Islam today is still practiced in the same exact way it was when Muhammad was still rampaging, pillaging, raping, torturing, and murdering his way across the Arabian Peninsula slaughtering kafirs almost 1400 years ago.
 
First of all I am not a Muslim. I am born to a Christian family but consider myself to be an atheist.

Second if I run into someone villifying Christians, Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, gays, Gypsies, Mormons or any other group of people, I would defend them in the same way. But bashing Islam seems to be "à la mode" these days.

A friend of mine was telling me the meaning of "diabolo", she said it means "that who divides". What I see on this forum often are people who try to divide instead of unite.

Humans never learn from their history and I find it to be sad.

Good luck with all of your evil thoughts.

Diablo is Spanish for devil.
diablo - Wiktionary

Not sure where your friend got her information from.


You comment on evil thoughts towards Islam. I have no evil thoughts towards Islam. I wish they could learn that this endless cycle of violence and murder that they claim is holy is not holy but evil. And what about the evil actions of Islam? The middle east is a war zone along with other parts of the world because of the tenants of Islam. And if you add all the Muslim casualties together from their actions It would not surprise me if they have killed more of their own than their perceived enemies have. They have no qualms about bombing their own mosques, schools etc. They target markets and any public gathering place. And you say we have evil thoughts towards them?

Moe
 
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Diablo is Spanish for devil.
diablo - Wiktionary

Not sure where your friend got her information from.


You comment on evil thoughts towards Islam. I have no evil thoughts towards Islam. I wish they could learn that this endless cycle of violence and murder that they claim is holy is not holy but evil. And what about the evil actions of Islam? The middle east is a war zone along with other parts of the world because of the tenants of Islam. And if you add all the Muslim casualties together from their actions It would not surprise me if they have killed more of their own than their perceived enemies have. They have no qualms about bombing their own mosques, schools etc. They target markets and any public gathering place. And you say we have evil thoughts towards them?

Moe


I'll ask my friend where she got the information, but it sounds logical that the devil seeks seperation.

Anyway... I am wide awake and aware that the Muslim world has gone crazy and I am in no way justifying these acts.

But what I call evil thoughts against Islam is the way some insist on dumping all Muslims in one basket. As simple as that.
 
Don’t you ever get tired of playing games? As I have mentioned in one of my earlier post already today, that is the exact same exegesis that is taught by all four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which together govern and control all the various different sects of Islam throughout the world. Not only that, but it is the same exact exegesis of all the leading and accepted Muslims exegetes like Ibn Khaldun down through the ages.



Give me a break! You never ever give up trying to prevaricate and apologize for Muslims do you? Indeed, it is exactly what is taught in mosques and madrassahs all over the world. If you don’t believe me, just spend a few hours reading transcribed sermons at MEMRI: The Middle East Media Research Institute to find out or reading the transcribe text books taught in school books all over the world and even in the USA.



I wish I could say you wish, but I’m already convinced you are being deliberately intellectually dishonest.



In Islam there is no separation of mosque and state, as Islam is the state and Sharia is the rule of law.



Can you point to a reformation and period of enlightenment that ever happen in the Islamic world? The reality is Islam today is still practiced in the same exact way it was when Muhammad was still rampaging, pillaging, raping, torturing, and murdering his way across the Arabian Peninsula slaughtering kafirs almost 1400 years ago.

Apart from the writings of your hero Raymond Ibrahim, have you done any research on Islam ? Have you ever lived among Muslims ?
 
I'll ask my friend where she got the information, but it sounds logical that the devil seeks seperation.

Anyway... I am wide awake and aware that the Muslim world has gone crazy and I am in no way justifying these acts.

But what I call evil thoughts against Islam is the way some insist on dumping all Muslims in one basket. As simple as that.


I can agree with that. As stated there have been many Muslim casualties in this war. Just saw a thread posted where something like 29 Afghans have been killed due to the elections.

And you are correct concerning the devil. He is a divider. maybe that is what your friend meant

Moe
 
Apart from the writings of your hero Raymond Ibrahim, have you done any research on Islam ?

How many times are you going to ask me the same thing? If you have already forgotten, then go back and reread my last 10 responses to the last 10 times you asked me the same exact question!

Have you ever lived among Muslims ?

I spent time in the Middle East before. I lived in a compound at night with other Americans but during the day I supervised a number of Muslim males. Thus, I am fully aware that Muslims are not trustworthy, that they are compulsive liars, and that they don't lie only to just kafirs, but they also lied like hell each other as well. I’m also very aware they don’t smell too good either. It was an experience!
 
How many times are you going to ask me the same thing? If you have already forgotten, then go back and reread my last 10 responses to the last 10 times you asked me the same exact question!



I spent time in the Middle East before. I lived in a compound at night with other Americans but during the day I supervised a number of Muslim males. Thus, I am fully aware that Muslims are not trustworthy, that they are compulsive liars, and that they don't lie only to just kafirs, but they also lied like hell each other as well. I’m also very aware they don’t smell too good either. It was an experience!

It's as Allah Wills.:lol: Peace.
 
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How many times are you going to ask me the same thing? If you have already forgotten, then go back and reread my last 10 responses to the last 10 times you asked me the same exact question!

You've read the Koran and other Muslim religious books eh ? And all that you derived from the whole scripture was the violent part right ? You totally dismissed all the rest. Well done.



I spent time in the Middle East before. I lived in a compound at night with other Americans but during the day I supervised a number of Muslim males. Thus, I am fully aware that Muslims are not trustworthy, that they are compulsive liars, and that they don't lie only to just kafirs, but they also lied like hell each other as well. I’m also very aware they don’t smell too good either. It was an experience!

Ahhhhhh that explains. You have spent time is the ME. Was it as a Marine ? And you were in Iraq as an invader and you expected be welcomed in a country in total chaos. After your bad experince you went ahead and tried to find every single negative detail in the Islamic religious scriptures and that is all that registered in your hate-filled brain. It might also be that you went to confront Muslims with your mind already made up, you faced them with a negative attitude. That wasn't enough for you, you went and researched the wrirings of every single modern Islamophobe who was able to confirm your theory after your findings.

Well let me tell you dear, I was born in the ME and spent the first 25 years of my life there and for the following 10 years my whole work was concentrated on the Muslim world. The impression that I was left with was having spent time with people who are kind, understanding and tolerent. I grew up as a Christian among Muslims. When I was ill they took care of me, when I was sad they cheered me up, when I was poor they fed me, when I was in trouble they saved me.
I live in France now and the only person who is always there for me no matter what is a Muslim Tunisian neighbour. She will put my wellbeing before hers anytime. She does the same with her Jewish neighbour and we often praise her devotion. The Islam that she teaches her children is that of tolerence, kindness and helping the needy.

The Jewish scriptures tell the man to prasie God for not being a woman and for not being a gentile. Does that mean that every Jewish man feels superior to women and gentiles ? Does that mean that the Jewish man with whom I lived for 5 years treated me as an inferior? Well no mister, he treated me like a princess.

Please continue to feed your brain with hate and prejudice but please keep your hatred to yourself because the world is in desperate need of unification and not seperation.

You talk about the devil, the only devil that I am able to see at the moment is YOU. Your aim is to divide and that is the only reason you are here on a public forum. To instigate hatred and intolerence.

Fortunately you're not being taken very seriously, I'm just afraid that some naive morons are going to take you seriously, but then again, if they are already morons, they're on the wrong track anyway.

Good luck spreading the "word" perhaps you should become a guru.
 
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Both of your examples are of Arabs fighting under the auspices and authority of another country’s military, France in this case, and against another military. Thus, they don’t count because it isn’t an example of Muslims fighting under their own authority and for their own objectives and causes. Nice try though.

what a great example of dishonesty, I didn't show you 2 but 3 examples, and the last one was about "Muslims fighting under their own authority"
 
You've read the Koran and other Muslim religious books eh ? And all that you derived from the whole scripture was the violent part right ? You totally dismissed all the rest. Well done.

My dear, if you weren’t so incredibly ignorant of Islam to begin with you would know about the principle of abrogation – al-naskh wa al-mansukh – the abrogating and the abrogated, by the later Medinan verses.

In any event, in Muhammad’s early life when he lived in Mecca he was a very unsuccessful holy prophet. He basically sucked at being a holy man and attracting any followers to his new religion.

However, after the Hirja, Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina because he was run out of Mecca after his influential uncle had died for being a nuisance, Muhammad’s fortunes began to change when he morphed into a very vicious and bloodthirsty terrorist and later a warlord.

He and his small merry band of early Muslims after settling in Medina started raiding at first Meccan caravans in revenge for being driven out of Mecca, before they later graduated to sacking the surrounding non-Muslim kafir villages, and eventually even turning against the Jews of Medina that had first invited and welcomed Muhammad to settle down in Medina after he had been cast out of Mecca.

Nonetheless, in Islam the verses issued by Muhammad later in his life when Muhammad was a powerful terrorist and warlord always abrogate, that is supersede and replace, those verses of the Koran issued earlier in Muhammad’s life when he was still weak and defenseless. In fact, the Koran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:

2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

Indeed, this distinction between Muhammad’s life in Mecca and his life in Medina when Muhammad was a powerful terrorist and warlord is so profound that the Hirja (migration), which occurred in 622 CE, marks the start of the Islamic calendar and the beginning of Islam.

Therefore, the earlier peaceful verses contained in the Koran that someone used to dupe you are the same ones that Muslims practicing taqiyya (deception) always inevitably cite to exploit the ignorance of useful idiot kafirs. However, all of those earlier peaceful verses I’m afraid have all been abrogated and replaced by the later violent Medinan verses issued by Muhammad during the time when he was a powerful terrorist and warlord.

Indeed, Muslims committing vile acts of Islamic terrorism today around the world always carefully go out of their way to justify their depraved crimes against humanity by quoting specific verses of the Koran, the Hadith (sayings and traditions of the prophet), and the Sira (the biography of Muhammad).

Further, to cite you an example of how the Koran is correctly interpreted, take the infamous verse of the sword:

9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

That single infamous verse alone, which was one of the last verses Muhammad issued just before he died when Muhammad had become obsessed with killing non-Muslim kafirs, abrogates (supersedes and replaces) more than 120 earlier peaceful verses of the Koran, including all the same ones that were used to dupe you apparently by some taqiyya practicing Muslims.

Ahhhhhh that explains. You have spent time is the ME. Was it as a Marine ? And you were in Iraq as an invader and you expected be welcomed in a country in total chaos. After your bad experince you went ahead and tried to find every single negative detail in the Islamic religious scriptures and that is all that registered in your hate-filled brain. It might also be that you went to confront Muslims with your mind already made up, you faced them with a negative attitude. That wasn't enough for you, you went and researched the wrirings of every single modern Islamophobe who was able to confirm your theory after your findings.

My, my, my, you are one presumptuous young lady!

The Jewish scriptures tell the man to prasie God for not being a woman and for not being a gentile. Does that mean that every Jewish man feels superior to women and gentiles ? Does that mean that the Jewish man with whom I lived for 5 years treated me as an inferior? Well no mister, he treated me like a princess.

For reasons that I have already supplied you with documentation, you should never make the mistake of equating Islam with any other religion much less Judaism.

Please continue to feed your brain with hate and prejudice but please keep your hatred to yourself because the world is in desperate need of unification and not seperation.

Again if you are going to continue to demonstrate your lack of maturity and intellectual dishonesty by resorting to personally attacking me once again like an adolescent because you can’t refute my message and are losing the debate, then please put your money where your mouth is and prove just one thing I have ever said with respect to Islam is not true and is inaccurate. Otherwise, you are just demonstrating that besides being extremely intellectually dishonest, you are exceedingly immature as well.

You talk about the devil, the only devil that I am able to see at the moment is YOU. Your aim is to divide and that is the only reason you are here on a public forum. To instigate hatred and intolerence.

Uhm…Mira dear when did I ever talk about the devil? Damn you are so committed to personally attacking me like an adolescent because you can’t refute my message and are losing the debate again for the umpteenth time that you are even inventing new ways to personally attack me. In any event, because you have repeatedly failed to refute my message and like an adolescent you have also repeatedly resorted to infantile personal attacks, it is incredibly obvious to everyone that you are about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.

Fortunately you're not being taken very seriously, I'm just afraid that some naive morons are going to take you seriously, but then again, if they are already morons, they're on the wrong track anyway.

Let’s see…again you can’t refute my message and again like an adolescent you resort to infantile and idiotic personal attacks, and you have the audacity to claim that no one takes me seriously!

Mira honey, I hate to rain on your intellectually dishonest parade again, but no one will take you seriously dear until you prove and demonstrate anything I have ever said about Islam is not true and therefore doesn’t constitute legitimate criticism.

Otherwise, it is obvious to everyone who reads this thread that you are not only incredibly immature but you are also exceedingly intellectually dishonest as well. Indeed, you have exhibited nothing but very dhimmified behavior throughout this entire thread by incessantly apologizing for Islam and attacking all those who had the audacity to express legitimate criticism of Islam, and that has not been conducive to open and honest debate to say the least.

Good luck spreading the "word" perhaps you should become a guru.

And perhaps you ought to stop undermining your own credibility by resorting to silly adolescent personal attacks.
 
what a great example of dishonesty, I didn't show you 2 but 3 examples, and the last one was about "Muslims fighting under their own authority"

Thank you for bringing my omission to my attention. Your post was such a convoluted mess that I hadn’t realized that you had cited another third example. However, I hate to inform you that your third example is where you so miserably fail.

I mean you can’t talk about the Sipahis without talking about the Janissaries. Indeed, the Sipahis themselves were originally recruited from the Janissaries and the Janissaries themselves were a product of the devshirmey system. The devshirmey system was the system whereby the Ottoman Turks confiscated young boys from non-Muslim dhimmis as Jizya. These young boys were then forcibly converted to Islam and enrolled into the military to become the Janissaries.

Nevertheless, the Sipahis like the Janissaries never made any distinctions between the military and non-military civilian noncombatants, as both were targeted and ruthlessly attacked without distinction by both Sipahis and Janissaries.
 
My dear, if you weren’t so incredibly ignorant of Islam to begin with you would know about the principle of abrogation – al-naskh wa al-mansukh – the abrogating and the abrogated, by the later Medinan verses.

In any event, in Muhammad’s early life when he lived in Mecca he was a very unsuccessful holy prophet. He basically sucked at being a holy man and attracting any followers to his new religion.

However, after the Hirja, Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina because he was run out of Mecca after his influential uncle had died for being a nuisance, Muhammad’s fortunes began to change when he morphed into a very vicious and bloodthirsty terrorist and later a warlord.

He and his small merry band of early Muslims after settling in Medina started raiding at first Meccan caravans in revenge for being driven out of Mecca, before they later graduated to sacking the surrounding non-Muslim kafir villages, and eventually even turning against the Jews of Medina that had first invited and welcomed Muhammad to settle down in Medina after he had been cast out of Mecca.

Nonetheless, in Islam the verses issued by Muhammad later in his life when Muhammad was a powerful terrorist and warlord always abrogate, that is supersede and replace, those verses of the Koran issued earlier in Muhammad’s life when he was still weak and defenseless. In fact, the Koran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:

2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

Indeed, this distinction between Muhammad’s life in Mecca and his life in Medina when Muhammad was a powerful terrorist and warlord is so profound that the Hirja (migration), which occurred in 622 CE, marks the start of the Islamic calendar and the beginning of Islam.

Therefore, the earlier peaceful verses contained in the Koran that someone used to dupe you are the same ones that Muslims practicing taqiyya (deception) always inevitably cite to exploit the ignorance of useful idiot kafirs. However, all of those earlier peaceful verses I’m afraid have all been abrogated and replaced by the later violent Medinan verses issued by Muhammad during the time when he was a powerful terrorist and warlord.

Indeed, Muslims committing vile acts of Islamic terrorism today around the world always carefully go out of their way to justify their depraved crimes against humanity by quoting specific verses of the Koran, the Hadith (sayings and traditions of the prophet), and the Sira (the biography of Muhammad).

Further, to cite you an example of how the Koran is correctly interpreted, take the infamous verse of the sword:

9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

That single infamous verse alone, which was one of the last verses Muhammad issued just before he died when Muhammad had become obsessed with killing non-Muslim kafirs, abrogates (supersedes and replaces) more than 120 earlier peaceful verses of the Koran, including all the same ones that were used to dupe you apparently by some taqiyya practicing Muslims.



My, my, my, you are one presumptuous young lady!



For reasons that I have already supplied you with documentation, you should never make the mistake of equating Islam with any other religion much less Judaism.



Again if you are going to continue to demonstrate your lack of maturity and intellectual dishonesty by resorting to personally attacking me once again like an adolescent because you can’t refute my message and are losing the debate, then please put your money where your mouth is and prove just one thing I have ever said with respect to Islam is not true and is inaccurate. Otherwise, you are just demonstrating that besides being extremely intellectually dishonest, you are exceedingly immature as well.



Uhm…Mira dear when did I ever talk about the devil? Damn you are so committed to personally attacking me like an adolescent because you can’t refute my message and are losing the debate again for the umpteenth time that you are even inventing new ways to personally attack me. In any event, because you have repeatedly failed to refute my message and like an adolescent you have also repeatedly resorted to infantile personal attacks, it is incredibly obvious to everyone that you are about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.



Let’s see…again you can’t refute my message and again like an adolescent you resort to infantile and idiotic personal attacks, and you have the audacity to claim that no one takes me seriously!

Mira honey, I hate to rain on your intellectually dishonest parade again, but no one will take you seriously dear until you prove and demonstrate anything I have ever said about Islam is not true and therefore doesn’t constitute legitimate criticism.

Otherwise, it is obvious to everyone who reads this thread that you are not only incredibly immature but you are also exceedingly intellectually dishonest as well. Indeed, you have exhibited nothing but very dhimmified behavior throughout this entire thread by incessantly apologizing for Islam and attacking all those who had the audacity to express legitimate criticism of Islam, and that has not been conducive to open and honest debate to say the least.



And perhaps you ought to stop undermining your own credibility by resorting to silly adolescent personal attacks.


Honey darling, I can do some serous copy-pasting from wabsites as you do, but you see, I'm not immature enough to speak in terms of "I win, you lose" because to me that is the peak of immaturity.

I don't give a damn where you find your blabber and how you have interpreted the Koran that you claim to have read, but your claim of having spent "some time" in the Middle East as an invading soldier,and having supervised some Muslim males that you describe as "bad smelling" gives you absolutely no qualification to claim knowledge of Muslims and thus dumping them all in one basket.

You are here with an aim and that is to create hatred against Muslims. You are determined to instigate fear among the readers of this forum, and to announce the imminance of a Jihad to rule the planet without even knowing the meaning of Jihad in the first place.

So stop pretending to be a specialist of Islam, you are nothing but a copy-pasting amateur of hate internet sites.
 
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