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Hamas, Qaeda supporters clash in Gaza; at least 8 killed

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Hamas, Qaeda supporters clash in Gaza; at least 8 killed

Gaza shootout: Hamas forces, supporters of radical cleric clash in Gaza Strip Friday after local imam slams Islamic movement for being 'too soft,' pledges supporters' allegiance to al-Qaeda; at least eight people reportedly killed, including senior Hamas man

Ali Waked
Latest Update: 08.14.09, 21:40 / Israel News

Gaza clash: At least eight people were killed as Hamas forces clashed with supporters of a radical cleric in the Gaza Strip following a provocative anti-Hamas sermon delivered Friday.

The casualities include a senior member of Hamas' military wing, Jibril al-Shimali, as well as a local girl, Palestinian sources said. More than 50 people were hurt in the gunfight.

Earlier, local Salafi leader Abdul Latif Musa told worshippers that Gaza is an Islamic emirate, slamming Hamas' conduct in the Strip and pledging his supporters' allegiance to al-Qaeda.

"We belong to al-Qaeda and our leader is Osama Bin Laden," said Musa, considered the leader of Gaza's Salafi branch.

The gunfight took place near a Rafah mosque and both sides were making use of mortar fire during the battle. Musa's followers later left the mosque and took positions around it.
Gaza: 8 killed in Hamas-Qaeda clash - Israel News, Ynetnews
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Mosque gun battle rages in Gaza

Good luck to both of the sides.
 
We belong to al-Qaeda and our leader is Osama Bin Laden

o.O

Here is to hoping they kill each other.

Edit: I do hope they won't continue with the fighting next week :/
 
Hmmm. Al Queda killed 3000 Americans and you wish them well?
That's not the inferred context and you well know it. Stop the baiting.
 
I believe creation was deadly serious.
 
Hamas: Leader of al-Qaeda-inspired group killed

Hamas: Leader of al-Qaeda-inspired group killed

Strip's Interior Ministry says Abdel-Latif Moussa, leader of group seeking to enforce stricter version of Islamic, killed in a shootout with Hamas in town of Rafah that claimed lives of 22 people

Associated Press
Published: 08.15.09, 10:04 / Israel News

Hamas security forces killed the leader of an al-Qaeda-inspired group in the Gaza Strip Saturday in a shootout that claimed the lives of 22 people, the Hamas Interior Ministry said.

The fighting erupted Friday when Hamas forces surrounded a mosque in the southern Gaza town of Rafah on the Egypt border where about 100 members of Jund Ansar Allah, or the Soldiers of the Companions of God, were holed up.

Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Palestinian Health Ministry official in Gaza said 22 people, including six Hamas police officers and an 11-year-old girl, were killed in the violence that also wounded 150.

The head of the radical Islamic group was killed when fighting resumed after dawn Saturday, Ihab Hussein a Hamas interior ministry spokesman told the Associated Press.

"The leader of Jund Ansar Allah, Abdel-Latif Moussa was killed in an explosion," Hussein said. "It's not clear whether he was killed from an explosives belt he was wearing or from Hamas gunfire."

The confrontation was triggered when the leader of the group defied Gaza's Hamas rulers by declaring in a Friday prayer sermon that the territory was an Islamic emirate.

Jund Ansar Allah and a number of other small, shadowy radical groups seek to enforce an even stricter version of Islamic law in Gaza than that advocated by Hamas.

These groups are also upset that the Hamas regime has honored a cease-fire with Israel for the past seven months.

Hamas says it does not impose its religious views on others, but only seeks to set a pious example for people to follow, while these splinter call for a more forceful imposition of Islamic law.

The groups also call for a wider global jihad against the entire Western world while Hamas maintains the struggle is only against the Israeli occupation.
Hamas: Leader of al-Qaeda-inspired group killed - Israel News, Ynetnews
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza Islamist leader dies in raid
 
That's not the inferred context and you well know it. Stop the baiting.

My apologies. The inferred context is a wish for murder on both sides. Very noble. I take it that the OP wishes Al-Queda well in killing Hamas members.

I find this strange as, given that I assume the OP is American, Hamas has never attacked America. Yet Al-Queda has killed many many Americans. So to put them on the same footing defies credulity.

If it is baiting to question the support of murder, then I apologise again, profusely.
 
My apologies. The inferred context is a wish for murder on both sides. Very noble. I take it that the OP wishes Al-Queda well in killing Hamas members.
Murder? No. Mutual death in battle.

I find this strange as, given that I assume the OP is American, Hamas has never attacked America. Yet Al-Queda has killed many many Americans. So to put them on the same footing defies credulity.
You defy credulity. The location of Apocalypse is plain and legible.

If it is baiting to question the support of murder, then I apologise again, profusely.
Moderator's Warning:
I've been doing this quite a long time. I'm not about to play the game. You have a choice. Either cease the baiting/trolling or continue to play the role. It's up to you.
 
Murder? No. Mutual death in battle.


You defy credulity. The location of Apocalypse is plain and legible.


Moderator's Warning:
I've been doing this quite a long time. I'm not about to play the game. You have a choice. Either cease the baiting/trolling or continue to play the role. It's up to you.

Ok ok, what would you like me to say?

That Apocalypse does not support murder when he would plainly support an Al-Queda member killing Hamas gun men, with families, with a suicide belt? How about a car bomb? Is that ok here?

Ok, fine. Ill help you. Apocalypse only wants Hamas and Al-Queda to shoot each other across a car park for example. With one taking the position of the other. He wants no other outcome than that somehow they both never leave the car park. Despite the obvious fact that this outcome is impossible.
 
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Ok ok, what would you like me to say?

That Apocalypse does not support murder when he would plainly support an Al-Queda member killing Hamas gun men, with families, with a suicide belt? How about a car bomb? Is that ok here?

Ok, fine. Ill help you. Apocalypse only wants Hamas and Al-Queda to shoot each other across a car park for example. With one taking the position of the other. He wants no other outcome than that somehow they both never leave the car park. Despite the obvious fact that this outcome is impossible.
To put it straight, I support the death of terrorists.
Got a problem with that?
 
I believe creation was deadly serious.

Apoc, do you really put Hamas and Al -Queda on equal footing?

If not, then I can understand and accept your position.
 
To put it straight, I support the death of terrorists.
Got a problem with that?

Do you think I am morally wrong to question you so?

Would you like me to agree with you that Hamas, who havent attacked America and Al-Queda who have, are equal?
 
Apoc, do you really put Hamas and Al -Queda on equal footing?

If not, then I can understand and accept your position.
A terrorist is a terrorist.
Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Hizbollah, The IRA, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Al-Ummah, the Colombian National Liberation Army, etc.
You name it.

Any organization that decides to murder innocents civilians to promote its cause is an organization that is alien to humanity, and should be annihilated.
 
Would you like me to agree with you that Hamas, who havent attacked America and Al-Queda who have, are equal?

They are equal ..... equally bad that is and should both wipe one another out and do this world a favour.
 
Do you think I am morally wrong to question you so?

Would you like me to agree with you that Hamas, who havent attacked America and Al-Queda who have, are equal?
What does this has to do with America?
Both are terrorists organization, I support the deaths of both's members.
 
Do you think I am morally wrong to question you so?
Would you like me to agree with you that Hamas, who havent attacked America and Al-Queda who have, are equal?
It is not the killing of Americans that makes a terrorist. They both have no qualms over killing innocents regardless of nationality. As long as they choose to take up arms then yes if they have decided to kill each other then this is a good thing for the rest of the world.

Moe
 
What does this has to do with America?
Both are terrorists organization, I support the deaths of both's members.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with America. This is called trolling.
 
An update...

RAFAH, Gaza Strip — The leader of an al-Qaida-inspired group in the Gaza Strip blew himself up during a shootout Saturday with security forces that killed 22 people and posed one of the biggest challenges to Hamas since the militant group seized power in Gaza two years ago. The fighting erupted Friday when Hamas security men surrounded a mosque in the southern Gaza town of Rafah on the Egypt border where about 100 members of Jund Ansar Allah, or the Soldiers of the Companions of God, were holed up.

The head of the radical Islamic group, Abdel-Latif Moussa, was killed when fighting resumed after dawn Saturday, Ihab Ghussein, a Hamas Interior Ministry spokesman, told The Associated Press. He said Moussa detonated an explosives vest he was wearing during the fighting. "The so-called Moussa has committed suicide ... killing a mediator who had been sent to him to persuade him and his followers to hand themselves over to the government," Ghussein said. He said the fighting ended later in the morning.

Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza said a total of 22 people, including six Hamas police officers and an 11-year-old girl, were killed in the violence that also wounded 150. The group's Web site vowed vengeance, meanwhile, saying "we swear to God to avenge the martyrs' blood and we will turn their women to widows."

Hamas security blocked all roads to Rafah and declared the town a closed military zone. They said they have arrested about 40 members of the group so far. Saeb Erekat, a senior peace negotiator with Israel and a member of the rival Fatah group in the West Bank, described the situation in Gaza as "alarming." "Gaza is going down the drain in chaos and lawlessness," he told the AP.
So... Hamas closed the city of Rafah and declared it a military zone. They attacked a mosque. I read elsewhere where mortar rounds were exchanged. We have a suicide vest detonation. At least 22 dead and 150 wounded.

An interesting Hamas admission from the same article...

Hamas also confirmed the death in the fighting of one of its high level commanders, Abu-Jibril Shimali, whom Israel said orchestrated the capture three years ago of Sgt. Gilad Schalit, an Israeli soldier who is still being held by Hamas.
Source: The Associated Press
 
What does this has to do with America?
Both are terrorists organization, I support the deaths of both's members.

Thank you.

Lets get down to it here;

It seems you support the efforts of an even more extremist group in killing members of a less extremist group correct?
 
Thank you.

Lets get down to it here;

It seems you support the efforts of an even more extremist group in killing members of a less extremist group correct?
Incorrect.
I cheer both sides.
Kinda like watching a football game between two teams that you hate. :)

Forgive me if I offend you but you have a real deep reading comprehension problem.
How can one understand from "good luck to both sides" that the person is supporting one side over the other?
 
Incorrect.
I cheer both sides.
Kinda like watching a football game between two teams that you hate. :)

Forgive me if I offend you but you have a real deep reading comprehension problem.
How can one understand from "good luck to both sides" that the person is supporting one side over the other?

Im not offended, I congratulate you on an interesting thread.

Its just that Hamas are loosing people and risking lives to prevent a truly more extreme group declaring an emirate and your first thought is 'I hope Hamas die too'. If they both were to die in the confrontation who then would control all the other radical in the strip?

You should be aware that this group are not the only extremists in Gaza, their are a few others Islamic Jihad and such for example. Dont you want Hamas to be able to control these?
 
Im not offended, I congratulate you on an interesting thread.

Its just that Hamas are loosing people and risking lives to prevent a truly more extreme group declaring an emirate and your first thought is 'I hope Hamas die too'. If they both were to die in the confrontation who then would control all the other radical in the strip?

You should be aware that this group are not the only extremists in Gaza, their are a few others Islamic Jihad and such for example. Dont you want Hamas to be able to control these?
You could say that Hamas is preventing radicalism, like you could say that the tribes in Africa are stopping higher forms of radicalism when they kill each other.
But in truth, it's all about power.
Hamas wants to control the Strip, the Gaza Strip's al-Qaeda's leader has declared the Strip as an emirate territory, as a territory under the rule of al-Qaeda and Osama Bin-Laden.
Hamas had to keep their control over the strip by using force and removing the other 'tribe'.
In the end, terrorists are very similar to animals, they mark their territories, and when their territories are being challenged by another animal, they attack.

I wouldn't want Hamas to control all of the other 'tribes' in the strip, as that will give it a bigger influence and a higher capability of causing terror in my country and murdering more innocents.
So it's kinda fine with me that Hamas and Al-Qaeda or any other terrorist organization in the Strip would keep arguing over the territory's control and kill each other.
 
I think this should be a wake up call to people who actually believe if there were no Israel there would peace in the Middle East. With no Israel the extremists will simply turn on each other.

Moe
 
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