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Hamas Executes 8 Gazans in Public Amid Trump’s Warning to ‘Disarm or Be Disarmed’

Mika-El said:
In fact Israel financed the Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood to counter-balance the then Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) to prevent the creation of an independent Palestinian state. It never funded terrorist operations or armed Hamas terrorists.

You clearly make no effort to research but instead parrot.

Hamas ca,e about after the the first Intifada in 1987. when Palestinians rose up against their occupiers beginning in 1987. The group was founded by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. P{rior to 1987, Yassin had helped form a Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Prior to Hamas back in 1973, Yassin started Mujama al-Islamiya a Muslim charity that set up a university, library, mosques and schools.

Israel sent financial assistance to this charity because it was the sole alternative to the Palestinian Liberation Organization in Gaza. The PLO led by Arafat then Abbas was corrupt and syphoned any financial aid to an elite circle of PLO officials including Arafat while Gaza and West Bank citizens got nothing.

Israel saw helping this charity an excellent way to create goodwill not to mention prevent the PLO from trying to create a Palestinian state with a mandate to wage war against Israel.

Up until 1987, the Muslim Brotherhood and its charities openly denounced terror and so Israel helped it and offered up to 5000 work visas to Gaza Palestinians to work in Israel each day.

People like you who have no phacking clue as to the history of Hamas and make zero effort to find out, parrot and misrepresent who in fact Israel funded and why.

When Yassin decided to go along with a Syrian cell that kicked out the anti terror cell of the Muslim Brotherhood from Gaza, they then created Hamas which promptly set about torturing and killing Palestinians who worked in Israel accusing them of being collaborators. It then set about blowing up anything Israel helped build. It would take Palestinians and shove poles up their backsides, pull out their anal cavities and leave them on the streets as a warning to anyone involved with working with Israel. It openly rubber necklaced alleged collaborators which meant placing a rubber tire on their necks and lighting them on fire.

Where were you? For that matter since you are such an expert on Hamas, where are you now as they repeat their legacy shooting and billing Palestinians during this alleged ceasefire?

You haven't a damn clue who Hamas is, who Israel financed and what Hamas is now doing.
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Thankyou for that. Very informative.

However, being knowledgable and articulating specifics will gain you nothing with the Israel Haters Club.
 
Ahlevah said:
Source that, please.



They will not be able to easily replace what they lost—the knowledge of tactics and weaponry; the inspirational leadership of people like Yahya Sinwar; the weapons themselves. That would take time, logistics, and money, which Israel won’t willingly permit them to have. They’ve also lost a lot of regional support. Hezbollah is a mess. Iran is a mess. Russia is a mess. Syria’s Assad is gone. The Houthis have their own problems. Hamas is now fighting Palestinian clans in Gaza, who smell blood and vulnerability. Hamas has its hands full beyond worrying about ridding Palestine of Zionist infidels. They’re fighting for their very survival as a movement.



Oink! 😆

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www.reuters.com

Exclusive: Hamas has added up to 15,000 fighters since start of war, US figures show

The sources said that while Hamas has successfully recruited new members, many are young and untrained and are being used for simple security purposes.
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Israel has already shown it can’t stop Hamas from doing pretty much whatever it wants.

Except literally none of that is true except for Assad being gone 😂

Israel’s collaborators, the ISIS aligned “Popular Forces”, have no legitimacy whatsoever amongst the Palestinian populace.

Unfortunately for Ukraine those drones haven’t managed to stop their soldiers from being slaughtered in failed attack after failed attack 😂
 
Ahlevah said:
I can’t either, especially since Hamas is comprised of fanatical, radical Islamists prosecuting a holy war against “Zionist oppressors.” That’s why it needs to be completely annihilated, along with Islamic Jihad, the PFLP, and all the other terrorist assholes. Not finishing the job is a mistake. Hamas and its ilk need to be completely deconstructed as viable political movements and outlawed, like ISIS.
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Can you recognize how the "Zionist Oppressors" have been committed to stealing Arab land in pursuit of Greater Israel in Palestine for over 75 years?

https://theconversation.com/is-benjamin-netanyahu-on-a-mission-to-realise-a-greater-israel-265662

"A vision for a ‘Greater Israel’​

"Based on the language used by the Israeli leader and his extremist ministers, the creation of 'Greater Israel' appears to be a priority.

"In recent weeks, Netanyahu has publicly alluded to this, saying he was 'very' connected to the idea.

"The 'Greater Israel' phrase was used after the Six-Day War in 1967 to refer to the lands Israel had conquered: the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza, the Golan Heights and the Sinai peninsula (which has since been returned to Egypt).

"This concept was enshrined in 1977 in the founding charter of Netanyahu’s Likud Party, which said 'between the [Mediterranean] Sea and the Jordan [River] there will only be Israeli sovereignty.'"
 
Mika-El said:
In fact Israel financed the Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood to counter-balance the then Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) to prevent the creation of an independent Palestinian state. It never funded terrorist operations or armed Hamas terrorists.

You clearly make no effort to research but instead parrot.

Hamas ca,e about after the the first Intifada in 1987. when Palestinians rose up against their occupiers beginning in 1987. The group was founded by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. P{rior to 1987, Yassin had helped form a Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Prior to Hamas back in 1973, Yassin started Mujama al-Islamiya a Muslim charity that set up a university, library, mosques and schools.

Israel sent financial assistance to this charity because it was the sole alternative to the Palestinian Liberation Organization in Gaza. The PLO led by Arafat then Abbas was corrupt and syphoned any financial aid to an elite circle of PLO officials including Arafat while Gaza and West Bank citizens got nothing.

Israel saw helping this charity an excellent way to create goodwill not to mention prevent the PLO from trying to create a Palestinian state with a mandate to wage war against Israel.

Up until 1987, the Muslim Brotherhood and its charities openly denounced terror and so Israel helped it and offered up to 5000 work visas to Gaza Palestinians to work in Israel each day.

People like you who have no phacking clue as to the history of Hamas and make zero effort to find out, parrot and misrepresent who in fact Israel funded and why.

When Yassin decided to go along with a Syrian cell that kicked out the anti terror cell of the Muslim Brotherhood from Gaza, they then created Hamas which promptly set about torturing and killing Palestinians who worked in Israel accusing them of being collaborators. It then set about blowing up anything Israel helped build. It would take Palestinians and shove poles up their backsides, pull out their anal cavities and leave them on the streets as a warning to anyone involved with working with Israel. It openly rubber necklaced alleged collaborators which meant placing a rubber tire on their necks and lighting them on fire.

Where were you? For that matter since you are such an expert on Hamas, where are you now as they repeat their legacy shooting and billing Palestinians during this alleged ceasefire?

You haven't a damn clue who Hamas is, who Israel financed and what Hamas is now doing.
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Personal attacks aside, I know the history of Mujama al-Islamiya and its ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Israel’s support for Islamist groups in the 70s and 80s, whether intentional or not (I would say intentional), helped create the conditions that allowed Hamas to emerge. Intentions aside, the policy had real consequences and you can’t really deny it shaped the environment Hamas rose from.
 
stevecanuck said:
They managed to keep all those hostages, so I don't see how they couldn't find a way to sequester those eight men and gather enough people somewhere for a trial, even if it would be a kangaroo court. Hamas operates in exactly the same islamosupremacist manner that was created 1400 years ago. Mohamed had hundreds of men and boys from the Banu Quraizah tribe summarily executed by beheading, which is why rabid Islamists feel they have the right to follow suit.
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Hamas is a terrorist group. They should not be acting in a law enforcement capacity.

They should be disarming and leaving the area.
 
stevecanuck said:
Yes, zealots of any stripe are capable of acts of utter inhumanity.
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Hamas is a terrorist group. The Netanyahu may, to date, lack that particular designation but has been acting like terrorists vis-a-vis the defenseless and trapped Palestinians in Gaza.

Re trump: Hamas isn't stupid. It knows trump cannot (and would not) force it to "disarm".

Trump's bluster is making him (and the US) look silly. And weak.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Hamas is a terrorist group. They should not be acting in a law enforcement capacity.

They should be disarming and leaving the area.
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According to both their charters (the real on in 1988, and the PR version of 2017), they will fight until israel no longer exists.

I have yet to hear how they are expected to disarm in light of that.
 
Luce said:
You did.
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Nope. Just applied your exact standards of labeling others to you.

What's wrong? You don't like it when someone does it back to you? You love carelessly doing it to others but are crying foul now?

Let that be a lesson to you. You should reflect on your approach to others when you post and change your ways.
 
stevecanuck said:
According to both their charters (the real on in 1988, and the PR version of 2017), they will fight until israel no longer exists.

I have yet to hear how they are expected to disarm in light of that.
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Well, the good news is that they'll be out in the open now, and if Israel wants to handle this the smart way this time, they can.
 
Hello My Son said:
Just like you support Hamas and their violence.
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Except I haven't whatabouted for them.

I have said that they are murderers and scum, and the world would be better off without them.

I didn't feel the need to compare them to anyone to diminish the wretched shit they have done.
 
Luce said:
Except I haven't whatabouted for them.
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You whatabout with Israel all the time, of course, which makes you an apologist and supporter of Hamas, by your own stupid illogical approach. You're the one choosing to pretend like logical comparisons don't exist, not me.
 
Luce said:
I do not.
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Yes you do. You both-sides the **** out of that issue practically every day here. Meanwhile, Hamas is over there blowing people's heads off in front of everyone, and you constantly wag your finger at Israel with a bunch of false-equivalency silliness. That's whatabouting and being an apologist for Hamas according the same standards you apply to others.

Why lie about that?

If it's acceptable for you to do to me, then it's acceptable for me to do to you. Own it.
 
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ColdHardTruth said:
Hamas is a terrorist group. They should not be acting in a law enforcement capacity.

They should be disarming and leaving the area.
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The idea of Hamas disarming as a precondition, not a goal, or a late step in the implementation of the peace process is insulting to the Palestinians.

No insurgent group has ever agreed to disarm as a precondition to peace, which is what I srael is trying to do here. And its insanse to ask Hamas to disarm as a precondition. At what point exactly, has either Israel or more importantly the UNITED STATES proven that Palestinians should trust their security to the United States and Israel??? You're asking a people who are the victims of what the WORLD COMMUNITY, including ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS, has labeled as a 'genocide', to disarm themselves and TRUST THE PERPETRATORS PRIOR TO acheiving freedom and security????

Really again and again, Im reminded of the famous Malcolm X quote, "If you expect me to believe that, you're not insulting my intelligence, youre insulting your own!"
 
Mika-El said:
Israel never armed Hamas. They in fact funded charities associated with Hamas. You parrot debunked crap that reflects your pro Hamas agenda and this bizarre idiot false story the IDF armed Hamas terror units which long ago was exposed as false by Hamas.
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Netanyahu promoted Hamas' rise to power prior to that one-and-only election in 2006.

The Israeli Government has permitted Qatar to provide millions of bucks to Hamas every month.
 
Mika-El said:
In fact Israel financed the Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood to counter-balance the then Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) to prevent the creation of an independent Palestinian state. It never funded terrorist operations or armed Hamas terrorists.

You clearly make no effort to research but instead parrot.

Hamas ca,e about after the the first Intifada in 1987. when Palestinians rose up against their occupiers beginning in 1987. The group was founded by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. P{rior to 1987, Yassin had helped form a Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Prior to Hamas back in 1973, Yassin started Mujama al-Islamiya a Muslim charity that set up a university, library, mosques and schools.

Israel sent financial assistance to this charity because it was the sole alternative to the Palestinian Liberation Organization in Gaza. The PLO led by Arafat then Abbas was corrupt and syphoned any financial aid to an elite circle of PLO officials including Arafat while Gaza and West Bank citizens got nothing.

Israel saw helping this charity an excellent way to create goodwill not to mention prevent the PLO from trying to create a Palestinian state with a mandate to wage war against Israel.

Up until 1987, the Muslim Brotherhood and its charities openly denounced terror and so Israel helped it and offered up to 5000 work visas to Gaza Palestinians to work in Israel each day.

People like you who have no phacking clue as to the history of Hamas and make zero effort to find out, parrot and misrepresent who in fact Israel funded and why.

When Yassin decided to go along with a Syrian cell that kicked out the anti terror cell of the Muslim Brotherhood from Gaza, they then created Hamas which promptly set about torturing and killing Palestinians who worked in Israel accusing them of being collaborators. It then set about blowing up anything Israel helped build. It would take Palestinians and shove poles up their backsides, pull out their anal cavities and leave them on the streets as a warning to anyone involved with working with Israel. It openly rubber necklaced alleged collaborators which meant placing a rubber tire on their necks and lighting them on fire.

Where were you? For that matter since you are such an expert on Hamas, where are you now as they repeat their legacy shooting and billing Palestinians during this alleged ceasefire?

You haven't a damn clue who Hamas is, who Israel financed and what Hamas is now doing.
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Netanyahu saw Hamas as a (rival) organization that would weaken the Palestinian Authority:

www.nytimes.com

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas (Published 2023)

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.
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...Shlomo Brom, a retired general and former deputy to Israel’s national security adviser, said an empowered Hamas helped Mr. Netanyahu avoid negotiating over a Palestinian state.

“One effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank,” he said in an interview. The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”

Mr. Netanyahu did not articulate this strategy publicly, but some on the Israeli political right had no such hesitation.

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right politician who is now Mr. Netanyahu’s finance minister, put it bluntly in 2015, the year he was elected to Parliament.

“The Palestinian Authority is a burden,” he said. “Hamas is an asset.”...
 
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