Half of American Schools Require ‘Equitable’ Grading and Most Teachers Are Opposed: Survey

[BirdinHand]

Those with vouchers are free to use them at public schools.

BTW, does your kid attend public or private school?

Public schools MUST be funded by public dollars. And be available for EVERY student.

It’s in every state constitution that public education will be provided.

My kid attends a private school. And there isn’t a voucher out there that would even come close to covering the tuition.

And that brings up another point:

Vouchers aren’t going to get kids into the best private schools. All they’d do is raise the tuition

 

[soap box]

This survey points to the need for school vouchers.

Parents need deserve a better choice.

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The report identifies five equitable grading practices: unlimited retakes, no late penalties, no zeroes, no homework, and no required participation.

"Lackluster student performance has plagued the Schenectady, N.Y., city school district for years. The school district, like many others, implemented a “grading for equity” policy in response to dismal test scores.

However, a recent national survey indicates that most teachers feel grade equity actually hurts students long term, although more than half of the schools and districts across the nation engage in the practice.

Schenectady’s 2022-2023 academic report said 95 percent of its high school freshmen were behind in math by three or more grade levels.

A year later, the district reported that in the first quarter of the 2022-2023 school year, more than half of its middle school students (grades 6-8) were three or more grade levels behind in both reading and math, while the daily attendance rate for high schoolers had dipped below 79 percent."

Half of American Schools Require ‘Equitable’ Grading and Most Teachers Are Opposed: Survey

The report identifies five equitable grading practices: unlimited retakes, no late penalties, no zeroes, no homework, and no required participation.

www.theepochtimes.com

There's a big problem with this post. Teachers said the equitable grading is a bad idea, but no district or campus has a policy like what you posted.

No real teacher is doing equitable grading. Not the way the article describes. Teachers know that if you don't have penalties for lack of learning, the students collectively ignore you. So on day 1 you spell out the rules.

That's to say, Epoch T ran out of lies and made up new ones.

 

[Grand Mal]

Quick Google search shows about a dozen private schools in the entire county of NY that this article is based off.

Serving approximately 1/10th of the students between those schools that the public schools serve.

Where - exactly - would kids getting magical “vouchers” go?



Those private schools going to magically increase enrollment that much?


(There’s about 2K kids in ALL the private schools combined. There are more than 20K in the public schools)

MAGAs continually show that they probably couldn’t pass in school today

Private schools don't have empty seats, they have waiting lists.
If they do see they have an empty slot they'll give it to a carefully-selected scholarship candidate, not the first kid through the door waving a voucher.
Some people don't understand that wealthy parents are paying for a social and educational advantage for their children and they won't lose that advantage.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Public schools MUST be funded by public dollars. And be available for EVERY student.

It’s in every state constitution that public education will be provided.

My kid attends a private school. And there isn’t a voucher out there that would even come close to covering the tuition.

And that brings up another point:

Vouchers aren’t going to get kids into the best private schools. All they’d do is raise the tuition

If 20% of public school teachers can afford private school tuition for their kids, perhaps they are being overpaid.

In New Jersey, the median public K-12 teacher salary was over $80,000 for the 2023-24 school year, with the state having one of the highest average salaries in the U.S. However, salaries vary significantly by district, and the National Education Association (NEA) reported an average national salary of $71,699 for the 2023-24 school year.

In 2024, a Private K-12 teacher's salary in New Jersey varies widely, with resources like ZipRecruiter indicating that the majority of salaries range from approximately $34,000 to $57,900, while top earners can reach over $64,000, and the national median for private school teachers was $57,570 in 2024. These figures differ significantly from public school salaries in New Jersey, which were higher, reflecting differences in funding and management.

*above quotes are from Google’s AI Overview*

 

[lynnwinslow]

Get a real source like zero hedge. A pro Russian finance guy.

@VySky 's link has Epoch Times and Zero Hedge in it. I wonder what's going on with that?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/ha...785?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

 

[ttwtt78640]

Private schools don't have empty seats, they have waiting lists.
If they do see they have an empty slot they'll give it to a carefully-selected scholarship candidate, not the first kid through the door waving a voucher.
Some people don't understand that wealthy parents are paying for a social and educational advantage for their children and they won't lose that advantage.

Yep, many in the ‘donor class’ like things just as they are.

 

[BirdinHand]

If 20% of public school teachers can afford private school tuition for their kids, perhaps they are being overpaid.





*above quotes are from Google’s AI Overview*

$80K in NJ is far from “overpaid”. It’s solidly working or middle class, if there’s a 2nd income.

And $80K isn’t getting your kid into the school my kid attends with an annual tuition that is about 1/4 of that

Now, you could send your kid to the local Catholic school.

That’s about $5K in tuition annually if you are a member of the church. Or about $7K if you aren’t.

 

[BirdinHand]

Yep, many in the ‘donor class’ like things just as they are.

I pay a pretty penny to keep the Klanned Karenhood and attack on education in this country AWAY from my child’s education.

Prior to Covid? He attended and loved our local public school.

Then the Klanned Karenhood showed up and started attacking public education.

So, we broke out the checkbook and moved him to a school where his education won’t be impacted by the MAGA idiocy that’s been in full blown attack mode against schools.

Money wisely spent - especially when I see bullshit such as this thread pop up and watch this Administrations attack on public education.

 

[ttwtt78640]

$80K in NJ is far from “overpaid”. It’s solidly working or middle class, if there’s a 2nd income.

My point was that public school teachers are often paid more than private school teachers. IMHO, their union wants to keep it that way - regardless of their students’ educational outcomes.

And $80K isn’t getting your kid into the school my kid attends with an annual tuition that is about 1/4 of that

Now, you could send your kid to the local Catholic school.

That’s about $5K in tuition annually if you are a member of the church. Or about $7K if you aren’t.

Hmm… it seems offering voucher amounts equal to the cost of public school per student spending would do nicely. The problem with many (if not most) voucher programs is that the voucher amount offered is well below what they spend per student on public education.

The average budgetary cost per student in a New Jersey public school was approximately $20,154 for the 2023-2024 school year, according to NJ.gov. This figure represents a statewide average and can vary significantly by district, with some sources reporting higher per-pupil spending for specific years, such as the Census Bureau's 2022 data which found New Jersey spent $25,099 per pupil in fiscal year 2022.

*above quote is from Google’s AI Overview*

 

[BirdinHand]

My point was that public school teachers are often paid more than private school teachers

Yep.

And in many private schools - you also don’t have nearly as qualified teachers as you find in public schools

Those local Catholic schools with the cheap tuition? Check out the qualifications of the teachers

Not to mention they won’t have nearly the type of benefits that public school teachers do.

You object to paying teachers well and giving them good benefits?

Because I don’t.

 

[BirdinHand]

it seems offering voucher amounts equal to the cost of public school per student spending would do nicely. The problem with many (if not most) voucher programs is that the voucher amount offered is well below what they spend per student on public education.

Go petition for bigger vouchers in your local district then

Good luck?

 

[Jay59]

This survey points to the need for school vouchers.

Parents need deserve a better choice.

=================================

The report identifies five equitable grading practices: unlimited retakes, no late penalties, no zeroes, no homework, and no required participation.

"Lackluster student performance has plagued the Schenectady, N.Y., city school district for years. The school district, like many others, implemented a “grading for equity” policy in response to dismal test scores.

However, a recent national survey indicates that most teachers feel grade equity actually hurts students long term, although more than half of the schools and districts across the nation engage in the practice.

Schenectady’s 2022-2023 academic report said 95 percent of its high school freshmen were behind in math by three or more grade levels.

A year later, the district reported that in the first quarter of the 2022-2023 school year, more than half of its middle school students (grades 6-8) were three or more grade levels behind in both reading and math, while the daily attendance rate for high schoolers had dipped below 79 percent."

Half of American Schools Require ‘Equitable’ Grading and Most Teachers Are Opposed: Survey

The report identifies five equitable grading practices: unlimited retakes, no late penalties, no zeroes, no homework, and no required participation.

www.theepochtimes.com

I teach at a school that is 8% white. Almost as many are Hispanic who do not speak English.

How are we supposed to be equitable?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

This survey points to the need for school vouchers.

Parents need deserve a better choice.

=================================

The report identifies five equitable grading practices: unlimited retakes, no late penalties, no zeroes, no homework, and no required participation.

"Lackluster student performance has plagued the Schenectady, N.Y., city school district for years. The school district, like many others, implemented a “grading for equity” policy in response to dismal test scores.

However, a recent national survey indicates that most teachers feel grade equity actually hurts students long term, although more than half of the schools and districts across the nation engage in the practice.

Schenectady’s 2022-2023 academic report said 95 percent of its high school freshmen were behind in math by three or more grade levels.

A year later, the district reported that in the first quarter of the 2022-2023 school year, more than half of its middle school students (grades 6-8) were three or more grade levels behind in both reading and math, while the daily attendance rate for high schoolers had dipped below 79 percent."

Half of American Schools Require ‘Equitable’ Grading and Most Teachers Are Opposed: Survey

The report identifies five equitable grading practices: unlimited retakes, no late penalties, no zeroes, no homework, and no required participation.

www.theepochtimes.com

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Plop.

A decent cast, but I think you can do better.

Try using your wrist a little more next time.

 

[BirdinHand]

IMHO, their union wants to keep it that way

Unions are composed of voting members.

And as far as I’m concerned, ALL teachers are underpaid.

You can’t hire a babysitter in my neighborhood for less than 15-20/hr.

$80K annual salary
180 school days in a year
20 kids per class. (And that’s being generous because many classes are larger)

Each teacher making $80K is getting paid about $44.50/day per student in their classroom.

Here the average school day is about 6 hours. (And let’s presume they ONLY work during in school/class hours).




These people are receiving about $3.70/hr to educate your kid on a per kid basis.

Baby sitters get more to merely keep your kid alive while you leave the house.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I teach at a school that is 8% white.

Poor kids are just a bright and talented as white kids.

Almost as many are Hispanic who do not speak English.

How are we supposed to be equitable?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Unions are composed of voting members.

And as far as I’m concerned, ALL teachers are underpaid.

You can’t hire a babysitter in my neighborhood for less than 15-20/hr.

$80K annual salary
180 school days in a year
20 kids per class. (And that’s being generous because many classes are larger)

Each teacher making $80K is getting paid about $44.50/day per student in their classroom.

Here the average school day is about 6 hours. (And let’s presume they ONLY work during in school/class hours).




These people are receiving about $3.70/hr to educate your kid on a per kid basis.

Baby sitters get more to merely keep your kid alive while you leave the house.

$80K/year for working 180 (8 hour) days/year is about $55.55/hour. BTW, teachers aren’t paid on a per kid basis.

 

[BirdinHand]

$80K/year for working 180 (8 hour) days/year is about $55.55/hour. BTW, teachers aren’t paid on a per kid basis.

You’re right.

Baby sitters are paid on a per kid basis. Not teachers.

We pay teachers less than what they would get being baby sitters for the same number of kids.

We also pay them less than what they could demand for private tutoring.

(That runs in the $50-100/hr basis here)

They’re UNDERPAID.

The problem isn’t teachers. Never has been.

The problem is parents and home environments. And it’s time we start looking at how to fix THAT instead of blaming unions, teachers and schools.

 

[Linc]

Public maga school boards caving in to VIP helicopter GOP parents.

 

[BirdinHand]

Public maga school boards caving in to VIP helicopter GOP parents.

The Klanned Karenhood attack on public education has been brought to you by some of the largest idiots ever.

In my area, the ones you see constantly attacking public schools aren’t even composed of parents of school aged kids. Loud old people that don’t have kids. And/or a handful of “activists” who have their entire social life and identity built around going from one school to another beating the same old straight from Fox and right wing websites “drum”

 

[Linc]

You’re right.

Baby sitters are paid on a per kid basis. Not teachers.

We pay teachers less than what they would get being baby sitters for the same number of kids.

We also pay them less than what they could demand for private tutoring.

(That runs in the $50-100/hr basis here)

They’re UNDERPAID.

The problem isn’t teachers. Never has been.

The problem is parents and home environments. And it’s time we start looking at how to fix THAT instead of blaming unions, teachers and schools.

He’s from the state that ‘made affluenza great again’ is helping ‘make attorneys great again’, and is not helping Camp Mystic victims.

 

[BirdinHand]

He’s from the state that ‘made affluenza great again’ is helping ‘make attorneys great again’, and is not helping Camp Mystic victims.

I’m tired of people that don’t even have kids in schools thinking they have a magical answer regarding schools in 2025.

Teachers are asked to wear a dozen different hats during the course of a school day - ESPECIALLY in public schools.

They EARN every.single.penny of their salary and benefits…a large portion just from the part of their job and the time they spend in just trying to get parents to be involved with what the kid is doing daily in school.

 

[BirdinHand]

I teach at a school that is 8% white. Almost as many are Hispanic who do not speak English.

How are we supposed to be equitable?

How many parents - in a typical year - in just one of your classes - are actively involved with their students education?

On average from a class of 20?


And how many do you never see or hear from? On average, from a class of 20? Even though you likely set up multiple opportunities for conferences, ways to contact you via email, apps, etc?

 

[Logophile]

Educationally, the Chinese are blowing us out of the water. What we really need is vouchers for all and to privatize the entire system, which will make the schools both financially viable and more importantly, introduce competition in terms of quality. Because liberals have gotten ahold of the education system, it's on such a steep decline as to be laughable. We don't need a public school system if it's churning out illiterates who can't add, and that's what a lot of these schools are doing

 

[BirdinHand]

We don't need a public school system if it's churning out illiterates who can't add, and that's what a lot of these schools are doing

The constitutions in every.single.state in the Union would disagree.

Get to work changing them I suppose?


Good luck

 

[Helix]

I guess the dart landed on American public education today. I wonder when it will be Fauci next.