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Guns do not represent American values[W:212]

Re: Guns do not represent American values

Nap said:
My personal opinion is that a waiting period of 3-5 days is not bad policy as long as there is a waiver for people who feel they may be in immediate danger (example: an ex-wife files a restraining order against a deranged former partner, etc) or a CCW holder. This could prevent some crimes of passion and as long as the waiver is considered shall issue it will not prevent anyone that may feel they need a gun immediately. I doubt someone planning to go on a shooting spree is going to walk into a police HQ and ask for a waiver, also this policy could help victims of domestic abuse because if they feel they are in that kind of danger in the first place the police should be made aware of the potential threat. The only downside would be those that are too afraid to approach the police about the situation.
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1--anti gun groups and their advocates claim almost all gun buyers these days are repeat buyers. why should a repeat buyer have to wait

2-"heat of passion" is not something that lasts long enough for a trip to a gun store, and buying the weapon" that's a myth the anti gun left concocted

3) where does the government get the power to delay a right and if it does have that power-at what point does a delay become a violation of the right?
 
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Rucker61 said:
1. Arrest and prosecute the 30k felons each year identified by name on the Form 4473 who are trying to buy a gun illegally.
2. Arrest, prosecute and punish straw purchases. See Jalita Johnson and Daytron Mills.
3. Stop allowing gun charges to be plea bargained away. Thousands of felony gun cases are being dismissed in Cook County criminal courts | Chicago Reporter
4. Allow direct access to NICS for private sellers.
5. Increase the allowed geographies for CCW holders.
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This is what Im talking about when I say we should enforce the gun laws we've got, not make any more.
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

Rucker61 said:
Why did you mention the 18th Amendment in a discussion of the Bill of Rights?
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same reason he calls a rifle that has NEVER been issued to our military a "weapon of War" while ignoring the fact the rifle he claims he owns (and should be able to keep owning) was issued in the millions to US troops in three wars.
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

jet57 said:
So then the 18th amendment was not overturned. I didn't know that.
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Dude, do your research, learn about the constitution and learn what the Bill Of Rights is. The Bill Of Rights is the first ten amendments. Clearly the 18th amendment would not be part of the Bill Of Rights. If you're going to discuss something, such as the constitution, you should know about it first.
 
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jimbo said:
The second (or the first) will not be overturned. At least not in my lifetime. My answer was in response to a false statement.

Not that there are not those who would happily do so. Pro Constitutionalists must be ever vigilant.
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None of the ten amendments in the Bill Of Rights will be overturned in the lifetime of the country.
 
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Sweden said:
Category error. Gun lust is a value. Maleness is a condition.
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With a name like Sweden is that where you're originally from? Maybe you should go back.
 
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TurtleDude said:
your silly and pathetic attempts to place the race card is rejected as being contrary to logic and reality. why don't you do a little research and find out who is causing most of murders in the USA, sure isn't white good old boys in the South.
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Yeah, which is why even the counties of the Deep South which have very few blacks and Hispanics are dark blue, huh? Enjoy your fact-free world, TD....
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Yeah, which is why even the counties of the Deep South which have very few blacks and Hispanics are dark blue, huh? Enjoy your fact-free world, TD....
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Looking at those red states in the South, which counties have the higher levels of homicide and other violent crimes, and what are the demographics of those counties?
 
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TurtleDude said:
1--anti gun groups and their advocates claim almost all gun buyers these days are repeat buyers. why should a repeat buyer have to wait
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Supposedly in recent years there's been lots of first time gun buyers particularly among women. Lots of women were buying their first guns during the Obama administration.
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

Glen Contrarian said:
Yeah, which is why even the counties of the Deep South which have very few blacks and Hispanics are dark blue, huh? Enjoy your fact-free world, TD....
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typical nonsense Glen. Why does a group that has only 6% of the population (and when you factor out those under the age of 12 and over the age of 60 its even smaller) commit more than HALF the murders Glen? why are 80% AT LEAST of murders committed by those who have felony records and mainly in 5% of the s counties in the USA (like Cook county, Baltimore county etc)

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says/

About 70 percent of the counties, accounting for 20 percent of the U.S. population, had no more than one murder in 2014, with 54 percent of counties experiencing zero murders, the report found.
Meanwhile, 5 percent of the counties, which made up nearly half the population, accounted for more than two-thirds of murders in the country, with the highest numbers concentrated in areas around major cities like Chicago and Baltimore.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Supposedly in recent years there's been lots of first time gun buyers particularly among women. Lots of women were buying their first guns during the Obama administration.
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yet the gun restrictionists try to discount the drop in murders despite the huge number of more guns by claiming its mainly people who already own guns and thus there are LESS armed people in the USA now
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

Kal'Stang said:
Btw, "gun violence" is a misnomer. One made on purpose. Guns do not cause violence. People do.
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Gun violence is significantly lower in other countries, to the point where it is non-existent.

So, maybe it is not really People, but Americans.
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

DebateChallenge said:
Supposedly in recent years there's been lots of first time gun buyers particularly among women. Lots of women were buying their first guns during the Obama administration.
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I personally want a database and stats showing the information of people buying or looking at guns.

If facebook, google, twitter, experian, equifax, transunion can obtain your information and sell it to furtune 500 companies, I think we need to be obtaining the info of gun owners and seeing how they operate.
 
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Bucky said:
I personally want a database and stats showing the information of people buying or looking at guns.
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That's nice.
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

Bucky said:
Gun violence is significantly lower in other countries, to the point where it is non-existent.

So, maybe it is not really People, but Americans.
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Not in Russia, which has very strict gun laws.
 
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Rucker61 said:
Not in Russia, which has very strict gun laws.
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Correct. And that is why the U.S has gun crimes x10 higher than Russia.

Russia is much safer than the United States.
 
Re: Guns do not represent American values

Bucky said:
That source is over 4 years old.
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You're welcome to post any study supporting your claim, you know.
 
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