Gunmen kill British Soldiers

[kaya'08]

Gunmen kill British soldiers, blow to N. Ireland peace

British forces went on alert in North Ireland on Sunday after two soldiers were killed in a barracks attack, but British Prime Minister Gordon Brown vowed the deaths would not drag the province back into sectarian strife.

Gunmen kill British soldiers, blow to N. Ireland peace

Gunmen with machine guns entered the barracks late Saturday as pizzas were delivered and fired up to 40 shots in two long bursts of gunfire, including shots at those already on the ground, reports said.

Two soldiers died and four other people were wounded at the headquarters of the Royal Engineers at Massereene, northwest of Belfast. It was the worst toll for the British army since a soldier was killed by a sniper in 1997.

The Ministry of Defense confirmed the two dead were soldiers, while police said two military personnel and two pizza delivery men were seriously wounded.
"I can assure you that we will bring these people to justice," he vowed.

BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | 'Real IRA was behind army attack'

A Dublin-based newspaper has received a call supposedly from the Real IRA which claimed responsibility for the attack at Masserene army base.

The Irish are at it again. And it seems the IRA is making a come back. Interesting. :roll:

 

[new coup for you]

aren't the troubles supposed to be over?

 

[kaya'08]

aren't the troubles supposed to be over?

The troubles will never be over until Northern Ireland is given to the Irish. Until then, the IRA have an excuse to continue to terrorize the British until it in annexed back to mainland Ireland. That is there purpose and there fight, and there fight will not end until they get what they want. For that, there will never be full peace in Northern Ireland until the Irish get what they want.

 

[Laila]

For that, there will never be full peace in Northern Ireland until the Irish get what they want.

I couldn't believe it when i heard.
I thought this was over.

If N Ireland wishes to become part of Ireland it can hold a referedum and decide however it seems to me it is the Ireland that wishes for a union more.

 

[kaya'08]

If N Ireland wishes to become part of Ireland it can hold a referedum and decide however it seems to me it is the Ireland that wishes for a union more.

Thats true. But im not too sure the Northern Irelanders can hold a referendum, if the UK government was to intervene. And given half the chance they would.

 

[Laila]

Thats true. But im not too sure the Northern Irelanders can hold a referendum, if the UK government was to intervene. And given half the chance they would.

If N Ireland wished for a union, then i will hope UK does not stop it. This is not a dictatorship, if the people choose through democracy to go this path. I don't think the Govt. would prevent it.

 

[kaya'08]

If N Ireland wished for a union, then i will hope UK does not stop it. This is not a dictatorship, if the people choose through democracy to go this path. I don't think the Govt. would prevent it.

I also dont think the British government would bother holding onto it and investing millions in trying to stabilize it if it would let it go easily through a referendum. I also dont think the Irish in Northern Ireland want to be governed by an english government. Would they have not of had a referendum by now if it was that easy?

 

[Laila]

Why wouldn't we spend millions?
They are our neighbours, a unsafe and unstable Ireland is a unsafe and unstable UK. The Government would never allow things to escalate to this, seperate country or not.

N Ireland is mainly protestants, they do not wish to join with catholic ireland. I just don't think they wish for a union.
Wish Garza was online; i could ask him.

 

[kaya'08]

Why wouldn't we spend millions?
They are our neighbours, a unsafe and unstable Ireland is a unsafe and unstable UK. The Government would never allow things to escalate to this, seperate country or not.

Thats also true but theres definetly a mutual interest in Ireland from the UK governments perspective, if we bothered to take it in the first place and keep it. Regardless i dont think there would be much hesitation on the UK part to hand it to ireland and get them to spend the money stabilizing it.

N Ireland is mainly protestants, they do not wish to join with catholic ireland. I just don't think they wish for a union.
Wish Garza was online; i could ask him.

Ahh never knew they where mainly protestants. That would definetly be a good reason as to why they wouldnt want a union, considering mainland ireland is pretty bent in favour of the catholic majority.

 

[Laila]

Well, i hope the people behind this is caught and the power sharing deal continues to go through. If the peace process fails, the terrorists win.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Here is something, why not just give northern Ireland BACK to Ireland, and end all this fighting? that is what the IRA wants, isn't it?

 

[kaya'08]

Yes, and it would probably do wonders to our economy if we did too. The British government seems to be pretty keen on keeping its overseas teritories though. Probably because it would be a sign of further faultering British influence in the world and its grip over other countries if we let N Ireland go, after British power started tumbling during the decolonization area.

 

[GarzaUK]

I also dont think the British government would bother holding onto it and investing millions in trying to stabilize it if it would let it go easily through a referendum. I also dont think the Irish in Northern Ireland want to be governed by an english government. Would they have not of had a referendum by now if it was that easy?

The Northern Irish can have an referendum when the Northern Irish Assembly agrees to do so. The British Government, nor the Irish Government have the right to intervene, its totally the Northern Irish choice.

 

[GarzaUK]

Here is something, why not just give northern Ireland BACK to Ireland, and end all this fighting? that is what the IRA wants, isn't it?

Because the majority of people in Northern Ireland are not Irish, but are ancestors of English and Scottish colonists that have lived there for over 500 years, hence the complications.

The IRA did not kill the British soliders and leave a civilian fighting for his life (lets not forget about him). It was the "Real IRA", a fringe terrorist group that doesn't have the own support of its people. They are the last of the diehards, they will die off eventually.

 

[GarzaUK]

Yes, and it would probably do wonders to our economy if we did too. The British government seems to be pretty keen on keeping its overseas teritories though. Probably because it would be a sign of further faultering British influence in the world and its grip over other countries if we let N Ireland go, after British power started tumbling during the decolonization area.

I seriously doubt Northern Ireland is that imporant in British influence in the world.

 

[GarzaUK]

Well, i hope the people behind this is caught and the power sharing deal continues to go through. If the peace process fails, the terrorists win.

Don't worry the peace process won't fail. Both sides in Northern Ireland are too weary of war to start all over again. I seriously doubt to see a return, the hatred just isn't powerful enough anymore here.

 

[Arch Enemy]

God Bless the IRA.

This "Real IRA" sound like nothing but a bunch of hooligans who saw Daddy's restraint as an opening to take up the call.

I agree that it does seem as if the people of N. Ireland are already taxed, more than just economic woes, but also exhausted by constant fighting.

 

[GarzaUK]

God Bless the IRA.

The IRA are nothing but a bunch of thugs, who peddled drugs and ran protection rackets to fund their campaign of murder. They totally destroyed their own community and killed more Irish Catholics than they killed British soldiers.

 

[gunner]

God Bless the IRA.

This "Real IRA" sound like nothing but a bunch of hooligans who saw Daddy's restraint as an opening to take up the call.

I agree that it does seem as if the people of N. Ireland are already taxed, more than just economic woes, but also exhausted by constant fighting.

That's the American fantasy at work again. As has been said the IRA were just a bunch of murdering thugs, little else.

Paul.

 

[Arcana XV]

God Bless the IRA.

Why in the world would you want God to bless a bunch of terrorists who have brought nothing but pain and suffering on countless innocent people including the very people they were supposedly fighting for??

 

[kaya'08]

God Bless the IRA.

Your openly supporting a terrorist group here, i swear thats a crime? They put there weapons down and gave up a few years back because they know its going to take much more than bombs and killings to penetrate the hard hearts of the British people. We stand for ourselves on our own two feet, the IRA is just another hopeless fight aimed to bringing terror and havock onto British communities. We are not scared easily, and we battled them face to face for years; and we won, and smashed the **** out of the ****ers and where more than happy to repeat the ordeal if it means the British people are safe within there own boarders.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Your openly supporting a terrorist group here, i swear thats a crime?

Not in America it isn't - they never recognised the IRA as terrorists and they only recently put the "Real IRA" on the list of terrorist organisations. Even then, I'm certain there will still be fundraising events going on in some parts of the US still.

 

[Laila]

Even then, I'm certain there will still be fundraising events going on in some parts of the US still.

Not very shocking seeing previously it was Americans who funded attacks against the British

 

[new coup for you]

if you accept Britain's claim over North Ireland as legitimate it means that all a power has to do to permanently annex a territory is move enough of their own ethnic nationals into the territory to command a majority of the local population.

That's exactly what Stalin did in Chechnya and Ukraine, the Isreali's are trying to do in the West Bank with their settlers and what the US did to the Native Americans...pretty much everywhere.

So historically it's worked, however you put yourself into some very mixed company if you try to do it.

 

[GarzaUK]

All the soldiers apparantly were unarmed and they tried to shield the pizza delivery guys as the bullets rained it. One of the soldiers covered a pizza guy with his body to protect him and the Irish terrorists just walked up to him and shot him lying there protecting a civilian.

Irish terrorist cowards.