Gun Grabbers make another play.

[Lutherf]

The truth that guns are just like roses. All aromatic love.

You may have just won the prize for most inane post ever. You've got a lot of competition these days but that's GOT to at least be top 10.

 

[natman]

The truth that guns are just like roses. All aromatic love.

My mistake, I thought you might have an actual point to make. Obviously not.

 

[aociswundumho]

Scalia was the big champ of the pro gun crowd. He passed on.

People sue ladder companies all the time. Someone falls off a ladder and get's hurt, they sue the ladder company.

We still have ladder manufacturers.

That's why ladders have warning stickers all over them.

I can't imagine what will happen if people can sue gun manufacturers but it's not going to get rid of gun manufacturers.

You might get stickers all over your gun saying, "do not point this at people!"

Ladder control is not a hot political issue with each side having many organized, dedicated groups fighting against each other. Furthermore, a person who gets injured using a ladder did it to himself. With guns, it's often one person using the product to kill another person, which I think most people would consider "worse" (whatever that means).

The stupid stickers you mention which nobody reads are evidence of tort law dysfunction.

 

[dave8383]

My mistake, I thought you might have an actual point to make. Obviously not.

I know that it's fashionable among the anti gun-control crowd to say other side is lying. I won't do that here.

 

[dave8383]

You may have just won the prize for most inane post ever. You've got a lot of competition these days but that's GOT to at least be top 10.

I'd say yours is higher.

 

[natman]

I know that it's fashionable among the anti gun-control crowd to say other side is lying. I won't do that here.

Stop trolling. If you have an actual relevant point to make, make it. Otherwise go away.

 

[ecofarm]

It's a pure harassment suit. Car ads show people driving cars all the time. Nobody sues that the car manufacturer for failing to explain that you need a drivers license and insurance to drive legally.

I'm against gun manufacturers being sued for the private use of their product, but people do what you claim above. They do and that's why all the car ads have "professional driver on a closed track" included in the ad. Because you don't get to do like the commercial. This seems like a simple technicality.

The way you describe, they ad "professional marksman on a closed range" and done. Right?

 

[natman]

I'm against gun manufacturers being sued for the private use of their product, but people do what you claim above. They do and that's why all the car ads have "professional driver on a closed track" included in the ad. Because you don't get to do like the commercial. This seems like a simple technicality.

The way you describe, they ad "professional marksman on a closed range" and done. Right?

The state is suing S&W because the actions shown in the ad would be illegal if you didn't have a concealed carry license. Nobody sues the car manufacturers for showing ads of people driving, yet that too would be illegal if you didn't have a drivers license.

If the state really wanted S&W to add a disclaimer, they'd settle the case. But the "false advertising" is just an excuse for a lawsuit. What they really want is to harass S&W, and get access to company records to fish for grounds for even more harassment lawsuits. All while using taxpayer's money that could be going to fill potholes or feed the homeless.

 

[ecofarm]

The state is suing S&W because the actions shown in the ad would be illegal if you didn't have a concealed carry license. Nobody sues the car manufacturers for showing ads of people driving,

But they do. That's my point. It's why all car ads include "professional driver on closed track".

Your premise is false. People did and do sue car companies an that's why the ads include the qualifier. You can't ignore reality and pretend that doesn't happen and isn't industry standard.

 

[dave8383]

Stop trolling. If you have an actual relevant point to make, make it. Otherwise go away.

The obvious point is you have no point. When and if you find one, post it.

 

[natman]

But they do. That's my point. It's why all car ads include "professional driver on closed track".

Your premise is false. People did and do sue car companies an that's why the ads include the qualifier. You can't ignore reality and pretend that doesn't happen and isn't industry standard.

There's a difference. The "professional driver on closed track" is used when the ad depicts driving in a manner that would be irresponsible and/or dangerous if performed on public roads. There's no disclaimer stating that the activity shown is illegal unless you have a license, which is what S&W is being sued about.

Again, if what the state really wanted was a disclaimer, I expect that S&W would agree to one. But the state isn't really interested in a disclaimer, what they actually want is an excuse to fish through S&W's internal records hoping to find something they can distort to generate more lawsuits. It's harassment, pure and simple.

 

[natman]

The obvious point is you have no point. When and if you find one, post it.

Here's where your discussion went off the rails:

They don't think they're hiding a secret anymore than the tobacco companies were hiding a secret. What they're hiding is their knowledge of the truth.

Please explain. Do you think the gun makers are hiding a secret study that shows guns cause cancer?

You've posted nothing but nonsense since then, trying to cover up the fact that your "hiding their knowledge of the truth" comment is BS. Until you can come up with a reasonable answer about it, we're done.

 

[ecofarm]

There's a difference. The "professional driver on closed track" is used when the ad depicts driving in a manner that would be irresponsible and/or dangerous if performed on public roads. There's no disclaimer stating that the activity shown is illegal unless you have a license,

"Professional driver"

Your premise is false. Guns are not a special victim.

 

[post]

In a move that's sure to increase gun sales, the gun grabbers go for a new tactic.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/b

If they are successful, it'll just cause the price of guns to go up.
Anything to end the scourge of 2A. Anything.

The hypocrisy and denial of history fueled by racism certainly runs deep. Didn't this "anti 2A" racist authoritarian cause this
country to shut down for nearly a week in reaction to his death, to pay homage to his memory and his alleged accomplishments
which featured his prominent attacks against 1A, 2A, and his oaths of offices in Sacramento and in Washington?

Mulford Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control, as did the National Rifle Association of America.[9] Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol lawn when the protesters arrived, later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."[1]

The bill was signed by Reagan and became California penal code 25850 and 171c. ..."

FACT CHECK: Did the NRA Support a 1967 'Open Carry' Ban in ...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-california-open-carry-ban/
The Negroes left the capitol about half an hour after entering and just before Gov. Ronald Reagan came out on the lawn to meet some visiting school children. Reagan called the demonstration "a...

Ronald Reagan launched political career using the Berkeley campus as a target
https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/06/08_reagan.shtml
Kerr was fired three weeks after Reagan took office. The act was the culmination of a process that began long before, when then-FBI director J. Edgar Hoover first tried to persuade Kerr to crack down hard on Berkeley students involved in the 1964 Free Speech Movement, which Hoover alleged was a front for communist sympathizers.

Iran-Contra Revisited: Fears of Impeachment - The New York ...
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/27/us/iran-contra-revisited-fears-of-impeachment.html
Oct 27, 1993 Jim Wright, the former Speaker of the House, said today that haste and fear of the possible impeachment of President Ronald Reagan hurt Congress's inquiry into the Iran-contra affair six years ago.

Reagan's forgotten Iran-Contra escape may reveal more ...
https://www.inquirer.com/columnists...-reagan-iran-contra-affair-1987-20191203.html
America's failure to hold Reagan accountable in 1987 predicted where America was headed, and why Trump might escape justice in 2020.

Death and state funeral of Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dave8383]

Here's where your discussion went off the rails:



You've posted nothing but nonsense since then, trying to cover up the fact that your "hiding their knowledge of the truth" comment is BS. Until you can come up with a reasonable answer about it, we're done.

That's where you went off the track, maybe, you may have been off the track the whole time. Admit it, catch up, or we're through.

Here's your chance:

They're trying to catch S&W telling the truth behind closed doors.

 

[post]

we should take a poll-who has a better understanding of gun laws and gun issues? You are or I . we can start with your claims that a single action revolver is all one needs for home defense or that people who carry semi auto handguns, really aren't men

You embarrass yourself in what percentage of your 261,000 posts? Even if only in 2-1/2 percent of your posts, that would be 6,000+ times.

History Repeats Itself: How Corruption Nearly Killed The ...
https://talkingpointsmemo.com
The NRA first retained the Oklahoma-based firm in the early 1980s to help move the brand away from its postbellum origins as a marksmanship group to become the nation's foremost advocacy group for...

Ackerman McQueen PR firm has been behind NRA's provocative ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
Feb 13, 2013 By the mid-1980s, during a successful campaign to scale back some of the provisions of the 1968 Gun Control Act, Ackerman McQueen staff members had begun moving into the second floor of the NRA's...

National Rifle Association's Change on Gun Control in ...
https://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/
For the next 30 years, the NRA continued to support gun control. By the late 1960s a shift in the NRA platform was on the horizon. On Nov. 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by ...

How much of what "you know you know" was spoon-fed to you by this freakish "whatever you want call it" gun manufacturer's lobbying group morphed into McQueen family dynasty, devolved into train-wreck, McQueen family engaged in civil war while the IRS sets its sights on Wayne LaPierre for tax evasion?

The Tragic Mess That is Today's NRA
https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/the-tragic-mess-that-is-todays-nra/384636
In a sworn declaration, Revan McQueen, Ack-Mac's CEO, says there was a long history of animosity between his father, Angus McQueen, and his brother-in-law, Bill Brewer.
Ackerman McQueen - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackerman_McQueen
.. by the early 1970s, Ackerman "was joined by the father-and-son team of Marvin and Angus McQueen."

Ackerman McQueen is screwed... - The Lost Ogle

Every now and then, I like to remind our readers that Ackerman McQueen – OKC’s most revered and reviled ad agency – is the long-time agency of record for the National Rifle Association and its branded-propaganda media arm “NRA TV.” I do this for a couple of reasons… 1. To inform the public. With...

www.thelostogle.com

"..Yep. The NRA retained the brother-in-law of Ackerman’s CEO as their attorney. I did some quick research on the guy and he’s apparently some eccentric high-priced attorney from Texas who’s been the center of ethics complaints in the past. Ackerman released this statement about him and the allegations in the lawsuit. To get the right feel, you should probably listen to this song while reading it.

Despite the representation set forth in their lawsuit, the NRA had the personnel contract they claim AM (Ackerman McQueen) withheld last week before they filed their lawsuit. It was provided by the Williams & Connolly law firm. The transfer occurred as a result of a process for delivery of such highly confidential information.
This flagrant misrepresentation, along with other false claims, serve as the foundation of malicious intent exemplified by this lawsuit.
Months ago, legal counsel informed the NRA that “Mr. Brewer himself has an irreconcilable conflict of interest. Mr. Brewer is the son-in-law of Angus McQueen and brother-in-law of Ackerman McQueen’s CEO, Revan McQueen. ..”

Family turning on family. People named Angus, Revan and Brewer. “Animus pervades.” This is starting to feel more like a bad episode of Game of Thrones than a lawsuit involving two ignominious organizations that deserve each other..."

 

[natman]

That's where you went off the track, maybe, you may have been off the track the whole time. Admit it, catch up, or we're through.

Here's your chance:

They're trying to catch S&W telling the truth behind closed doors.

Again, what truth? Or is this just your way of describing a fishing expedition?

 

[dave8383]

Again, what truth? Or is this just your way of describing a fishing expedition?

Any truth that makes S&W, and therefore the gun industry, look bad. There could be anything in that kind of private communication. Someone might email the CEO saying, "look at the kind of idiots who over support the 2nd amendment." Anything. Just look at the nonsense the anti-gun-control crowd posts on the net.

 

[joko104]

What a totally absurd lawsuit. It claims the ad does not state there is a requirement to have a conceal carry permit - and even that make not make it legal to have a pistol with you in your state.

Really? That's a tort? I have NEVER seen even ONE advertisement for automobiles with the vehicle shown being driven where the ad said it is illegal to drive a car without a government issued drivers license and automobile insurance. Have you?

Never seen any notice on any fishing equipment that says in many places it is illegal to fish without a fishing license and oulaws fishing for certain fish where you are. Nor on any tools with a warning that what you are going to do might be illegal without a building permit or a professional license.

As I said, the lawsuit is absurd.

 

[joko104]

we should take a poll-who has a better understanding of gun laws and gun issues? You are or I . we can start with your claims that a single action revolver is all one needs for home defense or that people who carry semi auto handguns, really aren't men

He likely believes that TV is real and all need be done is point the handgun towards the motionless intruder/assailant, pull the trigger and the intruder instantly falls down dead because that's what bad guys do on TV when shot.

Then, if there is more than one motionless intruder/assailant, you just repeat the process. This way, a single action 6 shoot revolver can easily deal with 6 motionless attackers. They stand while you just shoot one after then next, cocking the revolver each time. To shoot faster, just fan the hammer like in the Western movies. The moment the bullet touches any of them, that one's brain and body instantly cease to function. That's just the organic physiology in the dna of bad guys.

 

[RF667799]

Any truth that makes S&W, and therefore the gun industry, look bad. There could be anything in that kind of private communication. Someone might email the CEO saying, "look at the kind of idiots who over support the 2nd amendment." Anything. Just look at the nonsense the anti-gun-control crowd posts on the net.

You're exactly describing a fishing expedition.

 

[natman]

Any truth that makes S&W, and therefore the gun industry, look bad. There could be anything in that kind of private communication. Someone might email the CEO saying, "look at the kind of idiots who over support the 2nd amendment." Anything. Just look at the nonsense the anti-gun-control crowd posts on the net.

Somebody else beat me to it, but that's exactly the definition of a fishing expedition. Heck even the New York Times can see it: " In truth, the subpoena is a Trojan horse to expose publicly, for the first time, the inner workings of the gun industry. " Only they seem to think it's a good thing. Filing harassment lawsuits in order to get material for more harassment lawsuits, all paid for with tax dollars, is an abuse of power. Period.

Since that pesky Constitution is keeping them from implementing their agenda via legislation, there's no limit to how underhanded and unethical they'll be to harass gun owners and the gun industry.

 

[dave8383]

Somebody else beat me to it, but that's exactly the definition of a fishing expedition. Heck even the New York Times can see it: " In truth, the subpoena is a Trojan horse to expose publicly, for the first time, the inner workings of the gun industry. " Only they seem to think it's a good thing. Filing harassment lawsuits in order to get material for more harassment lawsuits, all paid for with tax dollars, is an abuse of power. Period.

Since that pesky Constitution is keeping them from implementing their agenda via legislation, there's no limit to how underhanded and unethical they'll be to harass gun owners and the gun industry.

Since they're going after private communication obviously they're fishing. That's the point. Prior to this, they haven't been able to access that kind of communication.

You should email S&W with some nutty message about comparing the constitution to the bible. It might make the cut.

 

[natman]

Since they're going after private communication obviously they're fishing. That's the point. Prior to this, they haven't been able to access that kind of communication.

You should email S&W with some nutty message about comparing the constitution to the bible. It might make the cut.

Making up a BS excuse to file a harassment lawsuit in order to fish for more material to bring more harassment lawsuits is flat out wrong, a waste of tax dollars and an abuse of power.

Would it be OK if Alabama did the same against Planned Parenthood today? Or against the NAACP in the sixties?

 

[dave8383]

Making up a BS excuse to file a harassment lawsuit in order to fish for more material to bring more harassment lawsuits is flat out wrong, a waste of tax dollars and an abuse of power.

Would it be OK if Alabama did the same against Planned Parenthood today? Or against the NAACP in the sixties?

Look, this is the problem. The public can't handle the freedom the 2nd Amendment, as it's currently interpreted, allows for. There is just too much gun violence. I wish it was like it was when I was a kid but it isn't. So, people are going to try to slow it down any way they can, including going after S&Ws private communications.