Gun control status poll

[Lursa]

are you denying that thousands of 17 year olds served in the military? You are absolutely wrong since 17 year olds can enlist with parental consent. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/us-military-enlistment-standards-3354001


Stupidity is denying the obvious or trying to impose one's irrational fear about firearms and their hatred of how gun owners vote, onto others. Kids who are ignorant about firearms are far more likely to do stupid things with them than children who have been properly trained in the use and safe handling of guns

BD is on the autism spectrum and is straight forward if not always correct. Cut her a break. She communicates a little differently.

 

[Montgomery]

are you denying that thousands of 17 year olds served in the military? You are absolutely wrong since 17 year olds can enlist with parental consent. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/us-military-enlistment-standards-3354001


Stupidity is denying the obvious or trying to impose one's irrational fear about firearms and their hatred of how gun owners vote, onto others. Kids who are ignorant about firearms are far more likely to do stupid things with them than children who have been properly trained in the use and safe handling of guns

You can always be depended upon to say something stupid every day!

And besides being corrected on 17 year olds:

Children who are clueless about guns don't have any interest in guns and will be less likely to be shot dead by one statistically. Or shoot their own foot off!

 

[TurtleDude]

You can always be depended upon to say something stupid every day!

And besides being corrected on 17 year olds:

Children who are clueless about guns don't have any interest in guns and will be less likely to be shot dead by one statistically. Or shoot their own foot off!

that makes no sense-I was correct on 17 year olds.

 

[Wayne Jr]

He was assassinated with an M16. Who is the authority who told you otherwise?

The FBI. It was an Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5-millimeter Italian rifle, which is bolt-action.

Chapter 4

Chapter 4: The Assassin Introduction Ownership and Possession of Assassination Weapon Purchase of Rifle by Oswald Oswald's Palmprint on Rifle Barrel Fibers on Rifle Photograph of Oswald With Rifle Rifle Among Oswald's Possessions Conclusion The Rifle in the Building The Curtain Rod Story The...

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Your source is likely confused by the coincidence that the M16 entered military service in the same year, but it was not the rifle that killed JFK.

 

[Wayne Jr]

The minimum age to join the military is 18.

The minimum age to join the military is 17, tho a 17y/o needs parental consent. I know this because there was a 17 y/o in my basic training unit; he was still in highschool.

 

[Lursa]

Children who are clueless about guns don't have any interest in guns and will be less likely to be shot dead by one statistically. Or shoot their own foot off!

From the time I could remember, I wanted to be a cowgirl. I got TWO sets of toy 6 guns for my 3rd birthday, still have the pics 57 years later. Still have one of the guns. I didnt have any intro to guns beyond the fact that cowboys used and needed guns and I saw it on TV. And they rode horses.

Never shot anyone. Never shot myself. Never committed a crime. Never arrested. However I do own guns, altho I didnt for my first 49 years. Same thing for pretty much ALL the people, liberal (many) and conservatives I know and also those I compete with.

This is me about 3 yrs ago:



You have no idea how much fun that is.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

?? Kids hunt, I compete in a sport where kids can start shooting at 13. And kids are taught to shoot and prepare so that they can contribute to the safety and security of the home.

Um...shooting is fun. Kids trained and supervised can have fun safely. Why not?

I hope you are talking about shooting in the country where almost nobody is in the area.

 

[Wayne Jr]

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FYI you can still buy the rifle that murdered JFK and they're super cheap:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/surplus-carcano-model-91-ts-rifle-6-5x52mm.html

 

[Lursa]

I hope you are talking about shooting in the country where almost nobody is in the area.

Gun ranges, public or private, can be anywhere but they are designed to be safe. There are also laws that affect that.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The basic context is that NO RIGHT is absolute; each comes with an understanding that they only extend as far as they don’t materially infringe on others rights or cause public harm.

I know that and you know that, but the rabid "sekundumendmenters" don't appear to understand it.

For instance we have libel and slander laws, laws that prohibit advocating forceful overthrow of government or killing public official. We also have a massive collect of laws concerning firearms - ownership, use, etc.

Yep, and there were "gun control laws" at the time that the US Constitution was considered, debated, passed, ratified, interpreted, amended, re-interpreted and there are always going to be "gun control laws".

All that is going to change is the definition of what is an "acceptable impact on the rights of others".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Gun ranges, public or private, can be anywhere but they are designed to be safe. There are also laws that affect that.

Aren't those so-called "laws" an infringement on people's "right to keep and bear arms"?

Or does the "right to keep and bear arms" not extend to actually shooting the guns that you "keep and bear"?

 

[Lursa]

Aren't those so-called "laws" an infringement on people's "right to keep and bear arms"?

Or does the "right to keep and bear arms" not extend to actually shooting the guns that you "keep and bear"?

No moreso than safety laws that direct cars on streets.

You can exercise your 1A right but you cant exercise it standing on someone else's chest...that's against the law, it endangers another.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Guns set you free. Guns are fun. Real freedom is freeguns. Guns are a right. Gun equity. Gun socialism.

Do you have any gun spreadsheets to share?

Actually I choose to live in a country where guns were NOT needed in order to obtain "freedom" (and one that is ranked as being freer than the US).

However, I do agree "Gunz Iz FUN!". My personal (non-automatic) favourite is a 3.5" (Black Powder) howitzer and my personal (automatic) favourite is the C9A2.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

No moreso than safety laws that direct cars on streets.

You can exercise your 1A right but you cant exercise it standing on someone else's chest...that's against the law, it endangers another.

There is no "constitutional right" to "Keep and Drive Cars".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I was specifically talking about where you live, not where you are at any given moment.

Did you know that a person from (for example - Minnesota) who permanently relocates to China and has lived there for 10 years is still eligible to vote in their home state electoral district? Heck, they might even be able to vote in the Chinese elections too.

 

[CLAX1911]

Most of the people here arguing for gun rights aren’t doing so because they really believe that logic. They know it’s not true, or they haven’t even gotten to the point where they’ve thought about it deeply enough to realize they don’t and wouldn’t believe it if they did. It’s like a war for them. There’s no time to stop and think about what’s really right, or if the founders really intended what has been interpreted by courts subsequently. The generals have sent down the orders, and they are being carried out—no questions.

So the only reason people believe and gun rights is because they're not as smart as you?

That's some world class narcissism.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

All reasons to shoot people are trivial except when nothing else in the world can save your life. And that happens very rarely relative to the number of criminal shootings.

Oh COME ON NOW!!!

Anyone who you think is looking at you "funny" on the freeway is a legitimate target - evrewunknoz that. And those people who take too long to pull away from stop signs - well that goes without saying.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There is nothing wrong with that person owning a gun based on his criminal record, but at age 60, how good is he at operating one?

You are talking to someone who is 77 and can still hit a silver dollar at 20 yards with an 1860 model black powder revolver.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

when this civil war starts I’ll be on the side that doesn’t have to pay taxes.

Ahh, you intend to be in the leadership of the winning side (whichever one that is) - right?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Why would a 60 year-old have any particular trouble operating a firearm?

Some people massively underestimate us RFOFs (Retired Fat Old Farts). It is only because of good breeding and an innate sense of fairness that we don't constantly take advantage of that fact.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The minimum age to join the military is 18.

Stupidity is intentionally endangering others and teaching little kids to do the same.

I joined the military at 17 and was commissioned BEFORE I was 19 (read as "legally allowed to drink beer"). So, before I was legally allowed to drink beer, I had the legal authority to order people who were old enough to be my father to go out and kill people.

Sometimes the world simply doesn't make sense - live with it.

 

[Luther]

Bold of you to assume I tried to sneak anything.

Okay

How about the obvious open liberalism?

 

[brianpatrick]

So the only reason people believe and gun rights is because they're not as smart as you?

That's some world class narcissism.

Good one!
But you need to read more closely, and respond to what I actually said, or you run the risk of looking like one of those people I’m smarter than.

 

[MSgt]

Yes it sure the hell is, but avoiding to address the issues will be to the detriment of 'extremist' gun owners. And make little difference to those who truly cherish legal and sensible use of firearms.

The assault weapons will have to go eventually but it will start on a regional basis and be expanded to heavily populated areas.

I don't think it is about avoidance. People just know that this is pointless.

The same people who believe that they are defined by the 2A are the same people who believe that Global Warming is a hoax, that millions voted for Hillary, that Covid-19 is a hoax, and that they were cheated in November. And by this, I mean that it is about perpetual victimhood. Using the 2A as a rallying cry so that they can fantasize about "the left" coming for their toys is just more of the same. There's a reason that they pretend that the only victims in mass shootings are liberals. While it is usually there's that do the shooting, 2A crusaders who have lost people remain silent. They have aneed to politiicize absolutely everything to the point where common sense and logic have no place at the table.

 

[ASHES]

I don't think it is about avoidance. People just know that this is pointless.

The same people who believe that they are defined by the 2A are the same people who believe that Global Warming is a hoax, that millions voted for Hillary, that Covid-19 is a hoax, and that they were cheated in November. And by this, I mean that it is about perpetual victimhood. Using the 2A as a rallying cry so that they can fantasize about "the left" coming for their toys is just more of the same. There's a reason that they pretend that the only victims in mass shootings are liberals. While it is usually there's that do the shooting, 2A crusaders who have lost people remain silent. They have aneed to politiicize absolutely everything to the point where common sense and logic have no place at the table.

The people you describe are small in number compared to all those who support the 2nd amendment. That whole post is an attempt at poisoning the well.