Gun control status poll

[TU Curmudgeon]

The second amendment, as well as the others, are written in clear english that any 3 grader can read and understand. Its says RTKBA shall not be infringed. Period. There are no exceptions. That's not hyperbole thats the bare facts. Any judge who says otherwise is an illiterate boob at best. People keep saying there are exceptions to the constitution when there are clearly not. This includes the first amendment and all the others as well. Yet we have idiots in our country who insist otherwise. There is a reason I call them illiterate boobs. The first law that should always be respected without fail is the Constitution all other laws are secondary and applicable only when they dont fail the test of the Constitution. The only people who look for angles to get around the constitution are the government loving sycophants who dont give a **** about our enumerated or other rights.

Your sterling logic positively astounds me.

Can I put you down for a $100 contribution to our "Send a Machine Gun to a Convicted Murderer" fund?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

So, could slaves of the founding fathers own firearms, or was that right restricted?

Picky, picky, picky.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You already know that answer.

Indeed, and it is a question that you REALLY don't want to have to consider - isn't it?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

In other words, you don't have a rational argument for wanting to ban something in a country you don't even live in. I use humanoid targets all the time. What's wrong with that?

Skipping right to the second half, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using silhouette targets if what you are training to do is to shoot people. If you are only "shooting for accuracy, they properly sized circular targets make more sense.

I never (well, almost never) shoot at circular targets.

 

[Antiwar]

Someday guns and bombs will be gone.

 

[ASHES]

Someday guns and bombs will be gone.

Only once we are.

 

[mrjurrs]

Chris Rock only makes a point to ignorant people.

The idea behind gun ownership is not to make the country safe, there's no such thing as safe. The purpose behind gun ownership is so that the government is afraid to overreach with authority. An armed populace controls the government if you take away guns from the people than the government controls the people. If you don't like living in a constitutional republic move to Canada they would love to have you. Maybe try Western Europe.

You live in a fantasy world. The govt's armaments far surpass anything citizens could use to thwart them. Chris Rock is a comedian. Only ignorant people think it was a realistic point.

 

[Antiwar]

Only once we are.

Conservatism is pessimism.

 

[ASHES]

Conservatism is pessimism.

I'm not conservative or pessimistic, just realistic and apathetic.

 

[PirateMk1]

Other than the fact that the Founding Fathers were talking about "security" FROM OTHER STATES, you might have a point there.

The Founding Fathers had absolutely no qualms about who was going to be running the US government because they wrote a constitution that ensured that "the right people" (read as "themselves and those like themselves - NOT the general populace") would be running the US government.

If the Founding Fathers ever thought that the Second Amendment would be used as a cover to allow the arming of "the general populace" (read as "those who are not already rich and powerful like we are") for the purpose of tossing out the US government and installing a new one, they wouldn't have written it so loosely.

Bullshit. Previous versions of the eventual 2nd Amendment were even looser. Take a look at the concurrent state constitutions and you will find their versions of the second even looser still. The whole point was to be able to toss the government.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Something scary are the key words!
"Something Scary" is the type of weapons that have become very popular in America. The scarier the better. How's that for cutting to the short strokes?

Please do not consider "Firearms per Capita" (which is going up in the US) with "Firearms Owners per Capita" (which is going down in the US).

I'm reminded of a question that was asked concerning attitudes towards a person who owned over 300 guns. My position was, assuming that they were a conscientious firearms owner, that that was quite fine (since the time that it would take to ensure that all of those guns were properly cleaned and maintained would almost preclude him from actually doing anything with them).

I haven't changed that position.

 

[Antiwar]

You live in a fantasy world. The govt's armaments far surpass anything citizens could use to thwart them. Chris Rock is a comedian. Only ignorant people think it was a realistic point.

The (misinterpretation of the) 2A and guns are a conservative pacifier: They won't demand good government as long as they have guns.

 

[Antiwar]

I'm not conservative or pessimistic, just realistic and apathetic.

Let's be realistic, you're conservative and pessimistic.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

What we need is to keep dangerous people locked up and not infringe on American's right to own arms. No one should be arrested multiple times and let back out in never ending revolving doors. What the left doesn't understand is that thugs are going to get guns no matter how much gun control legislation is passed. Therefore, the solution is to keep the bad guys locked up, not let them right back out again and again and again.

While I appreciate your concern for perpetuating employment in the "incarceration administration" field, did you know that the "average criminal" has actually made the "best career choice" that is REALISTICALLY available to them? The vast majority of "average criminals" do not have the education, training, or even "work skills" that would enable them to get and hold employment that pays as well as crime does.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Are you saying here that removing some gun rights would potentially cause social upheaval?

There isn't any "potentially" about it.

 

[ASHES]

Let's be realistic, you're conservative and pessimistic.

Sure buddy. Keep focusing on me.

 

[CLAX1911]

You live in a fantasy world. The govt's armaments far surpass anything citizens could use to thwart them.

they would have to deploy it all and that would take time. And if they use the military to kill citizens probably about three quarters of the military personnel would leave. So a bunch of unmanned armaments means nothing. Accepted the citizenry steals it and uses it against the government. You got to keep in mind the people that run our government are idiots that are drunk on power and don't think. Tactically.

Chris Rock is a comedian. Only ignorant people think it was a realistic point.

I wasn't the one that said Chris Rock made a good point it was really kind of stupid and ignorant. Funny joke though.

 

[Antiwar]

There isn't any "potentially" about it.

Simmer down, now.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

99% of the harm that is caused by people using guns is NOT DUE to a lack of skill on the part of the shooter

Actually one should be grateful for that lack of skill. If your "average shooter" was actually competent then the damage would be much higher.

 

[Antiwar]

Sure buddy. Keep focusing on me.

It's about your comments, not you.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I see a lot of bi-partisan agreement on this issue, more than about any other generally partisan issue. So, just curious where we stand, with regards to gun control.

Frankly Canada will have to be your specialty.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Chris Rock only makes a point to ignorant people.

The idea behind gun ownership is not to make the country safe, there's no such thing as safe. The purpose behind gun ownership is so that the government is afraid to overreach with authority. An armed populace controls the government if you take away guns from the people than the government controls the people. If you don't like living in a constitutional republic move to Canada they would love to have you. Maybe try Western Europe.

And moving to a "Constitutional Monarchy" that has a "Representative Democracy" results in what change from living in a "Constitutional Republic" that has a "Representative Democracy"? (Well, other than the fact that the "Constitutional Monarchy" isn't in a "Perpetual Presidential Election Campaign", I mean.)

 

[Robertinfremont]

Actually one should be grateful for that lack of skill. If your "average shooter" was actually competent then the damage would be much higher.

And we in America would notice that. Apparently Canada has a massive gun problem that we in America were not aware of.

 

[Mycroft]

I see, so your position is that "only the right people" should enjoy what you consider to be an unalienable constitutional right - is that it?

Nope. That's not my position at all, though I recognize your tactic of trying to manipulate and spin my words.

In any event, you and your tactics are dismissed.

 

[Antiwar]

What the world needs is guns everywhere. That way guns will always be available, just in case. That world would be super safe. Ahhhh, Guntopia, such a lovely dream.