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it doesn't matter.
It does matter. That's like saying you don't care if your door is locked at night.
my door being locked or not is an observable and objective fact.... the public opinion of that rationality of a political party on a specific issue is not, in any way, objective.
ya might as well just say " which is your favorite party?"... you'll get the same answers.
It does matter. That's like saying you don't care if your door is locked at night.
Who do you think the American Public see's as more rational on gun control in America? Republicans or Democrats?
While I disagree with the Democrats on gun control the types of laws they have proposed, at the federal level, are not opposed by most Americans. Most Americans seem to be ok with more thorough background check, waiting periods, and limiting high capacity magazines. I don't think such laws will have any effect but most Americans find such laws rational and reasonable.
During the push for background checks on gun sales after the Sandy Hook School tragedy, I saw figures as high as in the 80 percentiles in favor - yet the NRA got the GOP to defeat the measure.
So in that particular facet at least, I'd say the Dems had the pulse of the average American far beyond that of the GOP.
Gun control laws do nothing to stop crime or mass shootings. The problem isn't the guns themselves, something many left of center fail to grasp.
Gun control laws do nothing to stop crime or mass shootings. The problem isn't the guns themselves, something many left of center fail to grasp.
Gun control laws do nothing to stop crime or mass shootings. The problem isn't the guns themselves, something many left of center fail to grasp.
Why does America have so many more mentally disturbed people that don't care about the law than any other country?
Also, as an aside, why did Australia see such a decline in mass shootings once they banned guns? Does banning guns also cause the number of mentally disturbed people who don't care about laws to drop? I don't know if gun control is the answer, but waving tragedies off as just being down to 'some whacko' is becoming a tiring rhetoric. We have a problem, and whatever the cause is, it's time to stop just putting this down to 'just another disturbed kook', letting the story fade into the background, and then the same thing happening again.
No so bold prediction: This will happen again if we continue to treat it like every other one of the umpteen mass shootings that we have experienced in the last few decades.
Why does America have so many more mentally disturbed people that don't care about the law than any other country?
Also, as an aside, why did Australia see such a decline in mass shootings once they banned guns? Does banning guns also cause the number of mentally disturbed people who don't care about laws to drop? I don't know if gun control is the answer, but waving tragedies off as just being down to 'some whacko' is becoming a tiring rhetoric. We have a problem, and whatever the cause is, it's time to stop just putting this down to 'just another disturbed kook', letting the story fade into the background, and then the same thing happening again.
No so bold prediction: This will happen again if we continue to treat it like every other one of the umpteen mass shootings that we have experienced in the last few decades.
Who do you think the American Public see's as more rational on gun control in America? Republicans or Democrats?
We don't.
Well a few reasons....
Australia has a much smaller population which translates into far fewer firearms to begin with. Australia had no 2nd amendment guaranteeing them the right to firearms. You are trying to compare apples to kiwi.
In Australia a 2014 Stabbing attack left 8 children aged 18 months to 15 years killed. A 37 year old woman also found injured. The woman was later charged with the murder of the children, 7 of whom were hers, plus her niece.
8 children dead with a knife. Where there is a will there is a way.
Well please instead of making useless prophetic statements which get us no place. Please tell us what new laws will stop it?
We do have more mass murders than any other developed country. We also have a higher homicide rate (especially for black people).
Woosh.
I'm not comparing the US to Australia. I'm comparing Australia to itself, whereby it has seen a decrease in mass killings since passing the gun law. The graph specifically states that mass shootings are caused by crazy people. If that's the case, then the decrease in mass shootings since in Australia since 1996 can only mean that gun laws reduce the amount of crazy people in a country.
That's a great question. Specifically, I don't know. But here's a couple of areas where we can start. Laws that address:
1) The systemic racism problem we face in America that ooh, say, ~50% of the population does not even acknowledge exists.
2) A society that stigmatizes mental illness.
3) A healthcare system that actively discourages preventative care, that leaves its users destitute and in debt.
4) A corporatocracy that gives workers as little as humanly possible in jobs that take upwards of 40-70+ hrs a week of their lives.
and maybe 5 could be something to do with gun control.
Right now, people's answer to shootings like this is to blame it on crazy people. Often to move the conversation away from gun control. Unfortunately 'crazy people' simply doesn't cut it as an explanation when it is happening with frighteningly frequent occurrence. If we continue to refuse to discuss guns as a potential issue then lets at least move onto some of the other potential causes rather than just sweeping the whole thing under the rug as down to a few bad eggs. At this stage it's painfully clear that it's not just 'a few bad eggs' and our ignorance of this is quite literally proving fatal.
Disclaimer on guns: Personally, I do believe that gun control would help the situation, but I also recognize that gun control is not a perfect solution, nor is it really pragmatic and feasible solution in the US.
Yes we do. When you have an oppressed minority these things tend to happen. If you look at the rates, only a few cities drive us up among the world's nations like Chicago and Detroit. Take away just those two and the US numbers drop drastically. If we drop the useless war on drugs it would drop even more.
That is not true. Let me explain why below.
Again this is irrelevant for EXACTLY the reasons I stated.
Also, as an aside, why did Australia see such a decline in mass shootings once they banned guns? Does banning guns also cause the number of mentally disturbed people who don't care about laws to drop? I don't know if gun control is the answer, but waving tragedies off as just being down to 'some whacko' is becoming a tiring rhetoric. We have a problem, and whatever the cause is, it's time to stop just putting this down to 'just another disturbed kook', letting the story fade into the background, and then the same thing happening again. - Nilly
This is a direct comparison to the US. Otherwise it was unnecessary and does not apply in any way.
Gun control is not the solution Would 10 round magazines have stopped the 9 getting killed? No. Would a background check have stopped the father from giving the weapons to the son? No. Would a "gun free zone" have stopped him? Well no as it was a gun free zone.
He was a crazy person given a gun by someone else. The first 4 things you mentioned would be a good start. The gun control thing is the real waste of everyone's time.
I'm saying the money & power of the special interest puppeteers, that control their Congressional puppets, often exceeds the will of the people. Not always; not absolutely; but often enough. Too often. (I would submit even once, is too much - I find it difficult to believe our forefathers designed a system of government for sale to the highest bidder)Trusting loaded polls is never a good idea. Are you claiming the outcry from constituents played no role whatsoever? :roll:
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