Gun Control? It's not about guns, it's about Control

[Masada]

No one else has the nerve to tell the truth anymore either. Wanna know why there are more gun related deaths in America than any other industrialized country? Because of our culture in society.

What ethnic group is responsible for the vast majority of gun violence in America? African Americans. Gun violence is the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH among black teens.

REPORT: Gun Homicide is the Leading Cause Of Death Among Black Teens

Again, look at the most influential characteristics among the African American community. 1. Rap/hip hop culture 2. The absence of father figures (80% of black children born to single mothers). 3. Drugs. 4. Higher drop out rates. 5. Higher incarceration rates. Black males are more than TWICE as likely to be shot than any other group in society. Why aren't liberals asking "why"? Too many people are afraid to talk about the real issues out of fear of being labeled "racist". Is it "racist" to address statistics??? Since when?

While it was a horrific tragedy at Sandy Hook, where is the outcry over the 513 murders in Chicago in 2012 alone???? And guess what the number one weapon of choice is? A gun! Despite Chicago having some of the strictest and tightest "gun laws" in the nation. Just halfway through 2012, 78% of all the homicides in Chicago (201 out of 259), the victim was black. Is it racist to point out such a tragedy? Where is Obama on his own home town????

Violence is a behavior, not the result of the existence of guns.

Sandy Hook gets our attention though doesn't it? Yes, as it should. The only way to prevent future acts like this, is to literally and physically have the capability to stop it before it happens. You don't accomplish that by regulating law abiding citizens. Put a freaking armed guard at the school! Just like at Sasha and Malia Obama's school!!!! Obama's kids' schools have armed guards, so why shouldn't every school? Obama wants to regulate guns, but not the guns used to protect him! Not the people hired to keep him safe! Think about that liberals.

You say guns aren't necessary for personal protection. Then have the secret service not carry guns. If guns are necessary to keep one man safe, why not any other man and his family and property? Are Obama's children more valuable and important than mine? Then there should be no double standards. But liberals are walking double standards. It's always been "do as I say not as I do", elitist mentality on the left.

 

[Londoner]

Government atrocities have happened before in many places, all of which were preceded by weapons confiscations.


We have different opinions on the merits of an armed populace and the possibility that a militia may be required to keep a people free from government tyranny.

If you say so. It's not an opinion that a militia hasn't been needed to protect against government tyranny, but whatever you want...

 

[jwzg]

I don't really believe the typical gun owner to be someone who was in the opening scene of Deliverance. But its fun to think about. :mrgreen:



I think this is where we ultimately disagree. IMO, gun owners have a greater obligation to society to demonstrate that they will purchase, store, and use their guns responsibly and society has the responsibility to enforce it. If people choose to declare themselves the guardians of democracy through gun ownership then they invite these obligations and must be held accountable when they fail to meet them. Its not wise, at least in my mind, to allow anyone to have whatever guns they want, whenever they want, in as large a quantity as they want without a demonstrable legitimate reason other than 'because I can.' I want to make sure that you (in general) are not being sold deadly weapons willy-nilly with the intention of blowing my head off. Hope you have a good evening as well.

LOL...que banjos.

 

[Napoleon]

The only way to prevent future acts like this, is to literally and physically have the capability to stop it before it happens. You don't accomplish that by regulating law abiding citizens. Put a freaking armed guard at the school! Just like at Sasha and Malia Obama's school!!!! Obama's kids' schools have armed guards, so why shouldn't every school? Obama wants to regulate guns, but not the guns used to protect him! Not the people hired to keep him safe! Think about that liberals.

"The report, which is to be released Thursday, found that in one Mississippi school district, 33 of every 1,000 children were arrested or referred to juvenile detention centers; that in another, such referrals included second and third graders; and that in yet another, only 4 percent of the law enforcement referrals were for felony-level behavior, the most often cited offense being “disorderly conduct.”......In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for “dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect.”"

Think about that. I don't want kids spending their childhood living in the wet dream of a right wing police state.

Are Obama's children more valuable and important than mine?

Yes and if its down to you, Joe Nobody, or the President of The United States getting the last kidney who do you think will be wheeled into the operating room?

 

[jwzg]

"The report, which is to be released Thursday, found that in one Mississippi school district, 33 of every 1,000 children were arrested or referred to juvenile detention centers; that in another, such referrals included second and third graders; and that in yet another, only 4 percent of the law enforcement referrals were for felony-level behavior, the most often cited offense being “disorderly conduct.”......In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for “dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect.”"

Think about that. I don't want kids spending their childhood living in the wet dream of a right wing police state.



Yes and if its down to you, Joe Nobody, or the President of The United States getting the last kidney who do you think will be wheeled into the operating room?

For flatulence!? Dang, I'd get the death penalty.

 

[Napoleon]

For flatulence!? Dang, I'd get the death penalty.

There was an article floating around not too long ago about a guy who was fired for farting too much. That is the adult punishment. The kiddies go to the slammer.

 

[TurtleDude]

"The report, which is to be released Thursday, found that in one Mississippi school district, 33 of every 1,000 children were arrested or referred to juvenile detention centers; that in another, such referrals included second and third graders; and that in yet another, only 4 percent of the law enforcement referrals were for felony-level behavior, the most often cited offense being “disorderly conduct.”......In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for “dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect.”"

Think about that. I don't want kids spending their childhood living in the wet dream of a right wing police state.



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yet you seem to think its permissible to have lots of gun owners killed or imprisoned in a left wing police state

 

[Napoleon]

yet you seem to think its permissible to have lots of gun owners killed or imprisoned in a left wing police state

Just goes to show how worthless gun owners really are when it comes to fighting tyranny rather than creating it. In all cases, they've been the police in police State. The French Revolution, Nazi Germany, the Russian Revolution, you name it and they were responsible. Though the statistic I posted earlier is satire; it is not too far off the mark. The real statistics are shocking. For example, 49% between the ages of 18-24 don't know where New York is. A full third can't figure out where the Pacific Ocean is. 11% couldn't find the United States on a world map. I wonder what would happen if you just gave them a map of the United States. We'd all be dead by the time they figured out where Washington DC is. The little hero complex doesn't impress me.

 

[jwzg]

Just goes to show how worthless gun owners really are when it comes to fighting tyranny rather than creating it. In all cases, they've been the police in police State. The French Revolution, Nazi Germany, the Russian Revolution, you name it and they were responsible.

It all depends on the motivation and who armed them.

 

[Shewter]

Yes and if its down to you, Joe Nobody, or the President of The United States getting the last kidney who do you think will be wheeled into the operating room?

The hell his children are any more important than any of ours. Quite frankly, if it's down to Joe Nobody and the PotUS getting the last kidney, whoever was on the list first.

Importance... #$@^ that.

 

[Shewter]

Just goes to show how worthless gun owners really are when it comes to fighting tyranny rather than creating it. In all cases, they've been the police in police State. The French Revolution, Nazi Germany, the Russian Revolution, you name it and they were responsible. Though the statistic I posted earlier is satire; it is not too far off the mark. The real statistics are shocking. For example, 49% between the ages of 18-24 don't know where New York is. A full third can't figure out where the Pacific Ocean is. 11% couldn't find the United States on a world map. I wonder what would happen if you just gave them a map of the United States. We'd all be dead by the time they figured out where Washington DC is. The little hero complex doesn't impress me.

This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I've read.. in this section.. today..

 

[Napoleon]

This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I've read.. in this section.. today..

Do you have something to contribute to this debate or did you just fly in to leave uninspired droppings like that?

 

[Masada]

"The report, which is to be released Thursday, found that in one Mississippi school district, 33 of every 1,000 children were arrested or referred to juvenile detention centers; that in another, such referrals included second and third graders; and that in yet another, only 4 percent of the law enforcement referrals were for felony-level behavior, the most often cited offense being “disorderly conduct.”......In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for “dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect.”"

Think about that. I don't want kids spending their childhood living in the wet dream of a right wing police state.



Yes and if its down to you, Joe Nobody, or the President of The United States getting the last kidney who do you think will be wheeled into the operating room?

Why don't you go ahead and have your lips surgically attached to Obama's ass while you're at it??? His kids are more important than mine???? Says who? The local chat room liberal idiot?

His daughters attend a school that is protected by armed guards. His house is protected by high fences, security cameras, dogs, and lots of men WITH GUNS, every secret service member that protects him is carrying a CONCEALED WEAPON under their jacket, everywhere his wife goes she's escorted by ARMED SECURITY GUARDS. So, it's a little more than ironic that you flamin liberals are "ok" with people having guns when it comes to protecting the President, but it's not ok to have ordinary citizens arm themselves for protection.....smh.

You guys are anti-America, flat out. I'll say it, and I'll get banned from the thread or something similar I'm sure. Because even here at "debate politics", it's not "kosher" to call someone anti-American, even when they're publicly ****ting all over the Constitution and flat out accusing gun owners of being "threats" to our society. What the REAL threat to society is, is liberal philosophy. The philosophy of NO SELF CONTROL AND NO CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR ACTIONS. That's why people go on shooting sprees, because they're messed up in the head after having been raised by liberal philosophy.

You freakin hypocrites. If the school YOUR KID went to had a madman, armed with AR-15s, breaking into the doors while your child was in the first classroom inside, you would pray to Jesus that someone on the other side of that door had a gun in their hand prepared to stop him from entering YOUR child's classroom and going nuts. Police state my ass. YOU WOULD WANT HIM SHOT AND STOPPED. Don't try to play some bull**** "I'm above guns" crap with me son. If it's YOUR KID in that building, you're praying to Jesus a cop with a gun shows up and kills him before he has time to shoot 20 kids in YOUR KID'S school. You wanna tell the truth? or do you wanna be the typical "high and mighty" liberal, full of crap rhetoric, and judge honest, law abiding citizens who own guns? Oh I know who you are going to be, because your ideology trumps EVERYTHING in your life, even your own damn common sense.

Police state my ass.....The only Presidents in history who have LITERALLY declared "police states", and set up INTERNMENT CAMPS to imprison foreigners here in America, were LIBERALS! You liberals, I swear, you're all hypocrites. And liars to boot.....

 

[Tigger]

Gun control is about getting military weapons off the streets, requiring background checks for ALL buyers and letting you keep your single shot guns and rifles. Face it, if you need military weapons on the street, then my government needs to spy on you to see why.

Your Government IS why we need those firearms.

 

[Arbo]

Your Government IS why we need those firearms.

Obama’s Attny Gen. Says Americans More Dangerous Than Al Qaeda &laquo Publius Forum

Yeah, when they won't even say 'islam' and terrorist in the same sentence, but suggest that Americans are the actual threat, it's that much more clear that the 2nd needs to stand.

 

[Masada]

Obama’s Attny Gen. Says Americans More Dangerous Than Al Qaeda « Publius Forum

Yeah, when they won't even say 'islam' and terrorist in the same sentence, but suggest that Americans are the actual threat, it's that much more clear that the 2nd needs to stand.

Amen, and that's PRECISELY the way liberals feel about conservatives. They won't call an Islamic terrorist a terrorist, but they don't hesitate calling Conservative gun owners "terrorists", and tea party members "dangerous".

I know how to change liberals' minds about guns though. All we have to do is get really aggressive about banning abortion, and you'll see liberals whipping their guns out, or going to buy some. Liberals will straight up go to the mat for abortion. They'll even use guns I bet.

 

[Arbo]

I know how to change liberals' minds about guns though. All we have to do is get really aggressive about banning abortion, and you'll see liberals whipping their guns out, or going to buy some. Liberals will straight up go to the mat for abortion. They'll even use guns I bet.

You don't have to go that far. Just say that you agree guns are bad, and thus women, hispanics, blacks, gays, etc. should not be allowed to protect themselves with guns. Such groups will get offend at such a suggestion (even though that's pretty much what the left is saying) and because the 'advocacy' groups for them are often reactionary and act on spite, will probably go buy one.

 

[Masada]

You don't have to go that far. Just say that you agree guns are bad, and thus women, hispanics, blacks, gays, etc. should not be allowed to protect themselves with guns. Such groups will get offend at such a suggestion (even though that's pretty much what the left is saying) and because the 'advocacy' groups for them are often reactionary and act on spite, will probably go buy one.

hahaha....you're on to something. Just say that women shouldn't have the right to own guns, and they'll flock to buy them.....hahaha. I still think that if we got aggressive about banning abortion, you would see all the liberals whip their guns out real quick. The only time they believe in "gun rights", is if the guns are used to protect LIBERAL IDEOLOGY. And remember, personal property, and self protection ARE NOT important within the philosophy of liberalism. After all, we have the government to protect us, so we don't need guns.

 

[longview]

hahaha....you're on to something. Just say that women shouldn't have the right to own guns, and they'll flock to buy them.....hahaha. I still think that if we got aggressive about banning abortion, you would see all the liberals whip their guns out real quick. The only time they believe in "gun rights", is if the guns are used to protect LIBERAL IDEOLOGY. And remember, personal property, and self protection ARE NOT important within the philosophy of liberalism. After all, we have the government to protect us, so we don't need guns.

Logic, the chink in the liberal Armor:mrgreen:

 

[Masada]

Why don't we all just be honest? Gun control is code for "white male control"......

Liberals are obsessed with "code language". So, I've been looking into it myself, seriously, because what I've learned is this: If liberals are accusing someone of something, chances are, they are actually the ones guilty of the very thing they are accusing someone else of.

So, they accuse conservatives of using "coded" racist language all the time. No, in fact, it is liberals who speak in code. Examples: family planning=abortion, choice=abortion, overseas contingency operation=war on terror, enhanced interrogation=torture, comprehensive immigration reform=amnesty.....and so on and so on.

I think we all get it. So......gun control really means "white male control". Don't doubt it, because it's true. Liberals associate CONSERVATISM with "white males". Gun control is about diminishing conservative principles, and in turn, diminishing influence of the white male in society.

It's not sheer irony that the left has become pretty much the party exclusively for 1. women, 2. minorities.

 

[Shewter]

Do you have something to contribute to this debate or did you just fly in to leave uninspired droppings like that?

Where in the world do you think you would get a meaningful contributory response to such a vitriolic post?

Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[Moot]

Where in the world do you think you would get a meaningful contributory response to such a vitriolic post?

Your ignorance is astounding.

Actually, his post wasn't ignorant and vitirolic at all. In fact it's true, the military and the police in the US are overwhelmingly conservatives. So it is rather moronic that conservatives are worried about police state.

 

[Shewter]

Actually, his post wasn't ignorant and vitirolic at all. In fact it's true, the military and the police in the US are overwhelmingly conservatives. So it is rather moronic that conservatives are worried about police state.

You and I must be referencing different posts. Hit up the top of page 7. The one I quoted there should be explanation enough.

 

[apdst]

Actually, his post wasn't ignorant and vitirolic at all. In fact it's true, the military and the police in the US are overwhelmingly conservatives. So it is rather moronic that conservatives are worried about police state.

What's moronic, is to think that if the fecal matter impacts the rotary occelating device, that the cops and the troops are going to side with a tyrannical government that is trying to destroy the Constitution. Think about it

 

[Moot]

You and I must be referencing different posts. Hit up the top of page 7. The one I quoted there should be explanation enough.

Napoleon said, "In all cases, they've [conservatives] been the police in police state." Somehow that seems highly plausible to me. In the US, the military and cops are mostly conservatives. Most prisons are run by conservatives, too. In their zeal for privitizing everything, apparently the GOP passed a law that the government can hire private police and even Blackwater mercenaries to use against US citizens. Those would be Rummy's and Cheney's people.

Is a para-military in camoflague carrying grenade launchers really neccessary to corral up a few demonstrators at Disneyland?

Daily Kos: It's Happened: Paramilitary Police vs Civilians in Anaheim


Apparently, the demonstrators were protesting police brutality. yaaaa.