Gulf States citizens express anger at Israel

[joluoto]

The Gulf States won't be able to stay silent and pretend Israel isn't bombing Gaza for long.

No longer silent, Gulf Arab citizens express anger at Israel​

Even corrupt dictatorships like the ones in the Gulf has to at least pretend to listen to the people, and the mood of the people in the Gulf always turn anti- Israeli when these conflicts happen, and the regimes know they have to match that mood. Furthermore social media means the regimes can't control the narrative as well as they used to (though they try to control social media).

So most likely they will officially condemn Israel soon and relations will again cool for a while.

 

[NatMorton]

The Gulf States won't be able to stay silent and pretend Israel isn't bombing Gaza for long.

No longer silent, Gulf Arab citizens express anger at Israel​

Even corrupt dictatorships like the ones in the Gulf has to at least pretend to listen to the people, and the mood of the people in the Gulf always turn anti- Israeli when these conflicts happen, and the regimes know they have to match that mood. Furthermore social media means the regimes can't control the narrative as well as they used to (though they try to control social media).

So most likely they will officially condemn Israel soon and relations will again cool for a while.

The addition of "corrupt dictatorships" to the anti-Israel chorus should certainly add a note of moral clarity.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Predictably and by continuance, Israel is doing all they can to make an enemy of everyone else in the region.

 

[Juks]

Hmm, So many threads on Israel, well I quote my latest post here , since I haven't changed my opinion in the last 5 minutes...

This is my view on the situation. Israel missed their chance of getting a healthy nation next door when they refuced to negosiate with Fatah during the 1970th and 80th. Yassir Arafat tried to get them to negosiations and seeked support in the west. He got some from Europe but the US refused to acknowledge them (due to that it was a socialistic party) and Israel had the US support in refusing to negosiate. So they didn't.

In the late 80th Hamas formed. Through economical support from radical muslim countries they (much like the mafia in middle america is doing now) started to give poor people food packages and in the election in 2006 they got 44,5% (Fatah got 41,5%). Fatah was also affected severely from not being able to get Israel to the negosiation table for decades. Since then Hamas has marginalized Fatah in every way.

Hamas is in my eyes a radical fundamental muslim organisation and Israel can not negotiate a peace with them that in any way entails a 2 state solution, since that would leave them with a fundamental muslim nation that is an ally to declared enemies of Israel (like Iran), next door. That is not an option for Israel. Much to dangerous.

Yet, the same conservatives in Europe (my country included) and the US that refuced to see a two state solution in connection to the negosiations with Fatah and destroyed al and every deal that could have been made are now taking about it as the only solution.

Again: It most certainly isn't a solution for Israel at this time. They missed their chance for peace already in the 1980th. Now they have to wait until Hamas loses it's influence, which considering the money and support they are getting won't be any day soon.

If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious.

 

[Apocalypse]

Predictably and by continuance, Israel is doing all they can to make an enemy of everyone else in the region.

Also means; Israel defends itself.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Also means; Israel defends itself.

Sort of, it is just not that simple anymore. The politics of the region is not something that plays out with any sense of simplicity.

 

[code1211]

The Gulf States won't be able to stay silent and pretend Israel isn't bombing Gaza for long.

No longer silent, Gulf Arab citizens express anger at Israel​

Even corrupt dictatorships like the ones in the Gulf has to at least pretend to listen to the people, and the mood of the people in the Gulf always turn anti- Israeli when these conflicts happen, and the regimes know they have to match that mood. Furthermore social media means the regimes can't control the narrative as well as they used to (though they try to control social media).

So most likely they will officially condemn Israel soon and relations will again cool for a while.

Which side launched the first weapon to kill the citizens of the other in this most recent sequence of violence?

 

[joluoto]

Which side launched the first weapon to kill the citizens of the other in this most recent sequence of violence?

Since when has that mattered?

 

[code1211]

Since when has that mattered?

Only wondering if you knew or cared.

 

[SmartCat]

Predictably and by continuance, Israel is doing all they can to make an enemy of everyone else in the region.

Israel does what it needs to in order to survive. The Palestinians cause their own problems by refusing to acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

 

[SmartCat]

Palestinians are significant because they are Arabs, and other Arabs have oil. When the rest of the world develops alternatives to petroleum The Arab world will lose most of its significance. Arab armies are easy to defeat on conventional battlefields. In the foreseeable future Arab anger will not matter. The Israelis will be able to do what they want to do, which is to expel the Palestinians. If surrounding Arab countries are reckless enough to try to stop that, they will lose more land. The land will be ethnically cleansed and settled with Jews.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Israel does what it needs to in order to survive. The Palestinians cause their own problems by refusing to acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

No one buys that overly simplistic response. It worked for a while but now too many nations disagree with this all noble story Israel is trying to play up.

 

[Rexedgar]

Palestinians are significant because they are Arabs, and other Arabs have oil. When the rest of the world develops alternatives to petroleum The Arab world will lose most of its significance. Arab armies are easy to defeat on conventional battlefields. In the foreseeable future Arab anger will not matter. The Israelis will be able to do what they want to do, which is to expel the Palestinians. If surrounding Arab countries are reckless enough to try to stop that, they will lose more land. The land will be ethnically cleansed and settled with Jews.

Gotta have that “lebensraum,” right?

 

[SmartCat]

Palestinians are significant because they are Arabs, and other Arabs have oil. When the rest of the world develops alternatives to petroleum The Arab world will lose most of its significance. Arab armies are easy to defeat on conventional battlefields. In the foreseeable future Arab anger will not matter. The Israelis will be able to do what they want to do, which is to expel the Palestinians. If surrounding Arab countries are reckless enough to try to stop that, they will lose more land. The land will be ethnically cleansed and settled with Jews.

No one buys that overly simplistic response. It worked for a while but now too many nations disagree with this all noble story Israel is trying to play up.

Tiny little Israel does not threaten the existence of the Arab world. The Arab world threatens the existence of Israel.

 

[Tigerace117]

Palestinians are significant because they are Arabs, and other Arabs have oil. When the rest of the world develops alternatives to petroleum The Arab world will lose most of its significance. Arab armies are easy to defeat on conventional battlefields. In the foreseeable future Arab anger will not matter. The Israelis will be able to do what they want to do, which is to expel the Palestinians. If surrounding Arab countries are reckless enough to try to stop that, they will lose more land. The land will be ethnically cleansed and settled with Jews.

At which point Israel will be sanctioned to hell and beyond.....and lose that vast amount of US aid they receive.

 

[bomberfox]

No one buys that overly simplistic response. It worked for a while but now too many nations disagree with this all noble story Israel is trying to play up.

Palestinians are significant because they are Arabs, and other Arabs have oil. When the rest of the world develops alternatives to petroleum The Arab world will lose most of its significance. Arab armies are easy to defeat on conventional battlefields. In the foreseeable future Arab anger will not matter. The Israelis will be able to do what they want to do, which is to expel the Palestinians. If surrounding Arab countries are reckless enough to try to stop that, they will lose more land. The land will be ethnically cleansed and settled with Jews.

I knew you would become a negative eugenecist in short order, all eugenecists tend to go that route eventually, the gleeful temptation makes it easy. Afganistan disproves your nonsense as usual.

 

[bomberfox]

At which point Israel will be sanctioned to hell and beyond.....and lose that vast amount of US aid they receive.

Pfft the US will gleefully back it and thats not just my cynicism talking. The evangelical base will cheer genocide.

 

[bomberfox]

Tiny little Israel does not threaten the existence of the Arab world. The Arab world threatens the existence of Israel.

Ahahaha! Wait so first you claim that Israel will wipe out the Palestinians with ease then in the same breath claims Israel is a meek little mouse. I figured you for fash but didnt expect you to admit it so soon. You like Israel only because you hope they will carry out your goals of ethnic cleansing.

 

[SmartCat]

At which point Israel will be sanctioned to hell and beyond.....and lose that vast amount of US aid they receive.

Why? Because Israel wants to survive? I want Israel to survive and thrive.

 

[SmartCat]

Ahahaha! Wait so first you claim that Israel will wipe out the Palestinians with ease then in the same breath claims Israel is a meek little mouse. I figured you for fash but didnt expect you to admit it so soon. You like Israel only because you hope they will carry out your goals of ethnic cleansing.

I want the Palestinians to move to other Arab countries. I want there to be one Jewish country in the world. There are many Arab countries. I am not Jewish, by the way.

 

[SmartCat]

I knew you would become a negative eugenecist in short order, all eugenecists tend to go that route eventually, the gleeful temptation makes it easy. Afganistan disproves your nonsense as usual.

OK, let's discuss eugenics. In the world, and in the United States people with IQ's below 100 tend to have more children who survive to adulthood than people with IQ's above 100. While this is happening computer technology and automation are replacing jobs most people have the intelligence to learn. If current trends continue, a growing percentage of the human population will be congenitally incapable of doing anything useful for a living.

Before the Second World War eugenics was a respectable philosophy and movement in the United States. It is ironic that the Nazi effort to annihilate the most superior race in existence has led to an unwillingness to consider intrinsic individual inequality and average intrinsic racial inequality.

I am not Jewish. I respect the Jews. I respect facts many people prefer not to think about. In his essay, "The Inequality Taboo," Charles Murray wrote:

"Good social policy can be based on premises that have nothing to do with scientific truth. The premise that is supposed to undergird all of our social poncy, the founders' assertion of an unalienable right to liberty, is not a falsifiable hypothesis. But specific policies based on premises that conflict: with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm."

http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf

bomberfox, I have not hijacked this thread. You have. I am responding to your hijack. What is more, I have not insulted you; you have insulted me.

 

[NatMorton]

No one buys that overly simplistic response. It worked for a while but now too many nations disagree with this all noble story Israel is trying to play up.

Which nations?

 

[Sagittarius83]

The US Democrats are looking at a very new emerging problem.

Jewish people are a huge part of the party’s base but a growing part of it’s base is an increasing presence of anti Israel sentiment. If the party begins acting on the whims of people like Tlaib and Omar, the party risks alienating it’s Jewish base.

If pressed far enough, that demographic could switch parties.

Personally, I think the time for US financial support for Israel should end. Not as a punishment but because Israel has the capacity to defend itself.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Which nations?

The majority of European nations no longer believes Israel can do whatever it wants.

 

[Sagittarius83]

I don’t believe in declaring moral authority based on consensus.

Who supports and doesn’t support Israel is not the issue.

Israel has a powerful military and a GDP that is similar to countries in the EU.

It is my understanding that Truman finally decided to recognize Israel out of fear that it could have become a client state of the Soviet Union and back then it needed help and would have accepted it from anyone.

Now it needs help from no one.