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Guantanamo inmates 'have rights'

I wonder if Condoleeza Rice knew that this was coming and was her impetus for petitioning G-Bay to be shut down.
 
What will happen next is GITMO will be shut down and all prisoners will be transferred to an "undisclosed" location. In a few years we will learn there is a new prison held outside of the Geneva convention in Siberia or some where and the process starts all over.

How can we realistically keep prisoners if we are forced to show some sort of evidence for the accusations against them? Why do you hate America? :roll:
 
This is why we should've just killed them on the battlefield instead of taking them prisoner.
 
CoffeeMan said:
This is why we should've just killed them on the battlefield instead of taking them prisoner.
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Only one small problem.. a large number of them were never "caught on a battlefield"....Unless you saying that places like Gambia, Pakistan and other non US invaded nations are "battlefields" now?
 
PeteEU said:
Only one small problem.. a large number of them were never "caught on a battlefield"....Unless you saying that places like Gambia, Pakistan and other non US invaded nations are "battlefields" now?
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Indeed. For example Mozzam Beck [a brittish GITO inmate who was freed a few years back] was working in Afganistan with a charity and ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
PeteEU said:
Only one small problem.. a large number of them were never "caught on a battlefield"....Unless you saying that places like Gambia, Pakistan and other non US invaded nations are "battlefields" now?
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Umm the Bush Admin argued that the continental US was a battlefield
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
HOORAY FOR THE TERRORISTS! :roll:
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Only persons that are 100% sure they are "terrorists" are the Bush administration and its backers..

They were 100% sure that every single one sent to Gitmo was.. yet released loads and even admitted that quite a few were innocent after years of imprisonment.

So what is it.. are they terrorists or not, and what evidence do you and the Bush administration have to prove this?
 
PeteEU said:
Only persons that are 100% sure they are "terrorists" are the Bush administration and its backers..

They were 100% sure that every single one sent to Gitmo was.. yet released loads and even admitted that quite a few were innocent after years of imprisonment.

So what is it.. are they terrorists or not, and what evidence do you and the Bush administration have to prove this?
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I am just thinking of the few we have released that have gone back to continue Jihad.


This is a war son, And in war you don't release combatants until the conflict is over. This sissy european methodolgy the US courts is adopting is getting US and UK and other good guys killed.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I am just thinking of the few we have released that have gone back to continue Jihad.


This is a war son, And in war you don't release combatants until the conflict is over. This sissy european methodolgy the US courts is adopting is getting US and UK and other good guys killed.
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Yes and as I stated in the other thread that was bumped.. you forget the "metal hardships and physical hardships" these people have endured .. could they have not drove them to do "jihad" as revenge?

I mean you have used McCains POW status and hardships as a reason to dump his crippled wife.. then how can you not do the same to these people?

Or is it because they are muslim and McCain is a white american and a republican?
 
PeteEU said:
Yes and as I stated in the other thread that was bumped.. you forget the "metal hardships and physical hardships" these people have endured .. could they have not drove them to do "jihad" as revenge?
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Right. Instead of seeing the obvious lets find a weeny european way to blame America. Thats great!

I mean you have used McCains POW status and hardships as a reason to dump his crippled wife.. then how can you not do the same to these people?
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Incorrect. I used it as a possible factor in his changed life upon returning. Also are you comparing how we treat those at gitmo to how the Vietcong treated our pow's?

That would be a grave mistake.


Or is it because they are muslim and McCain is a white american and a republican?
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Again, hope this gets through the density, McCain is a RINO and I DO NOT SUPPORT HIM..... Only a fool would attempt to paint me as a bigot or a racist. Please don't be that fool.
 
It took a court to tell people that in our society we all have certain rights regardless of our crimes?
 
Hatuey said:
It took a court to tell people that in our society we all have certain rights regardless of our crimes?
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What crimes are the people at Gitmo being held for?
What law did they supposedly break?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Right. Instead of seeing the obvious lets find a weeny european way to blame America. Thats great!
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And why bring Europe into this.. nm, typical right wing tactic on these boards.. deflect attention.

Incorrect. I used it as a possible factor in his changed life upon returning. Also are you comparing how we treat those at gitmo to how the Vietcong treated our pow's?

That would be a grave mistake.
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So the US usage of water boarding is different than the Vietcong? Or that the US used torture is any different than the Vietcong using torture? Is it that when the US uses torture like water boarding, its some how different than when the Vietcong used it?.. is it cause its not in Vietnam?

Again, hope this gets through the density, McCain is a RINO and I DO NOT SUPPORT HIM..... Only a fool would attempt to paint me as a bigot or a racist. Please don't be that fool.
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Then stop defending the man tooth and nail lol! If you go back looking at your posts you are defending the mans character, political views and other stuff almost constantly.
 
PeteEU said:
BBC NEWS | Americas | Guantanamo inmates 'have rights'


Now what dear Bush?
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State Department spokesman Tom Casey said the U.S. remains at the forefront of promoting human rights and has made extensive efforts to transfer detainees from Guantanamo Bay to their home countries, having done so in several hundred cases already.

But more than 100 countries have refused to take back certain detainees, Casey said.
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Maybe Bush should name these countries to the public. I wonder if your country is on this list. Seems to me that while people like you like to toss out snappy remarks that do nothing but shove America's issues in our faces, your governments are running around cowering and wanting us to deal with your trash. It would appear that the U.S. Supreme Court has instructed over 100 countries that these idiots have rights....not just your simplistic veiws that salivate over focusing on Bush. Where does your government sit?

Now what dear European?
 
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Goobieman said:
What crimes are the people at Gitmo being held for?
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If they haven't committed any crime why are we holding them?

What law did they supposedly break?
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Obviously some otherwise we're illegally holding innocent people against their will.

Are you trying to be disingenuous? Do you believe there are crimes that after committed deny a person of rights?
 
Hatuey said:
If they haven't committed any crime why are we holding them?
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Same reason we hold anyone we capture on the battlefield.

Obviously some otherwise we're illegally holding innocent people against their will.
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Fighting our troops isn't a crime, but when we capture you while you're doing it, we get to imprison you until hostilities are over or we decide to let you go (whichever is sooner).
 
GySgt said:
Maybe Bush should name these countries to the public. I wonder if your country is on this list. Seems to me that while people like you like to toss out snappy remarks that do nothing but shove America's issues in our faces, your governments are running around cowering and wants us to deal with your trash.

Now what dear European?
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It aint. All Danish detainees were released quite a bit of time ago, in a political exchange deal for keeping Danish troops in Iraq. They were also released without charge when they came back to Denmark.

And I would welcome the list, but I suspect that no Western European nation is on it.

As for your usual baseless insults and typical right wing tactic of attempting to attack the attacker to deflect attention away from the issue.. pathetic.
 
Red_Dave said:
Indeed. For example Mozzam Beck [a brittish GITO inmate who was freed a few years back] was working in Afganistan with a charity and ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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There has been a few of these type of instances. Like, "I was attending a distant relatives wedding" or " my great, great aunt on my second cousins side two times removed, grandma has had a heart attack so i was visiting" etc etc.
Some will be true most will not. An alibi is the first thing a terrorist learns.

Paul.
 
PeteEU said:
It aint. All Danish detainees were released quite a bit of time ago, in a political exchange deal for keeping Danish troops in Iraq. They were also released without charge when they came back to Denmark
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All of them? As many fundamentalists that exist in Denmark you feel that Denmark isn't a player here? With the whole fundamental Islamic world angry with Denmark over cartoons, you think that certain prisoners are kept away from Denmark? Naive.

PeteEU said:
And I would welcome the list, but I suspect that no Western European nation is on it.
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Oh, I doubt that. You mean a France that would condemn an attack on Saddam Hussein that would later open a consulate in Iraq while others layed the pavement would be honorable enough to take responsibility for its own trash? French embassy in Iraq to open office in Arbil | Iraq Updates You don't know your shady governments like you think you do. America's mess is out in the open. Always is. It's your governments that have no room left under the rugs.

PeteEU said:
As for your usual baseless insults and typical right wing tactic of attempting to attack the attacker to deflect attention away from the issue.. pathetic.
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Insults? Toughen up. Deflect attention? On the contrary, you wished to produce how depraved America is just to satisfy some insignificant personal European sentiment of resentment.....and I produced where over a hundred governments (yours included) are caught up in the mess along with us. The only deflection here is your attempts to typically spotlight America while exonerating your own.

Don't you love how ALL the truth tells a different story?
 
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GySgt said:
Don't you love how ALL the truth tells a different story?
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Lol. Don't all Europeans have white fluffy wings and psychedelic halos?
 
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