• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Great lakes coverage then and now.

sawyerloggingon

sawyerloggingon

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
May 6, 2011
Messages
14,697
Reaction score
5,704
Location
Where they have FOX on in bars and restaurants
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
A couple of years ago when the lakes didn't freeze it was all global warming all the time but now that they are basically all frozen over there is nary a mention of AGW.

From times gone by: AGW was put on par with natural causes.

"Wang told the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper that natural climatic variables such as El Nino, La Nina play as much a role in the ice decline as a warming global climate.
"We are seeing the impact of global warming here in the Great Lakes -- but the natural variability is at least as large a factor," Wang said.
Wang said global climate change and regional climate patterns are competing over the Great Lakes.
The Great Lakes, scientists say, contain about 20 percent of the world's fresh water supply and cover 94,000 square miles in two countries"

Great Lakes ice coverage falls 71 percent over 40 years, researcher says - U.S. News



And now with record breaking ice on the lakes you get this: See the difference?:lol:


This winter's bitter cold temperatures in the Midwest have covered a stunning 79 percent of the Great Lakes in ice.
That's not a record, but it's well above the long-term average of about 51 percent.
Lake Michigan is about 63 percent frozen. And the largest lake in the system, Huron, is about 85 percent covered.
Lake Erie, at 93 percent, had the most ice cover as of Saturday.
The data comes from the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory.
It tracks the ice cover because of its potential impacts on everything from hydropower generation to commercial shipping and fishing.
Studying the ice cover also helps determine climate patterns and water levels.


Cold Temps Cover 79 Percent of Great Lakes in Ice | NBC Chicago
 
The "G" stands for "global" A little local weather isn't global, and AGW hasn't magically gone away.
 
Some folks just have simplistic minds, unwilling or unable to grasp the meaning of words and interconnections.

Such folk would suck at sailing or long range marksmanship where a series of variables are in play.

First is simple terms such as AVERAGE. An average doesn't mean each year is that number but when you add a series numbers together and divide by the total in the series you get an AVERAGE. So the AVERAGE coverage is a number that has little binding effect from year to year.

IIRC the average temp of Oklahoma is the lower 70's. That doesn't mean we won't have a record number of 100+* days as has been our trend of late. It simply means we have had a long term trend of both very hot and cold days through the years.

Next concept simplistic minds struggle with is climate vs weather. A 40 year trend vs a single winter. Seriously???? :doh

Then of course is the commutative property. It seems the simplistic mind can't see how a global trend would affect many other climate influencers. How lacking in reasoning power would one have to be to not understand what affects the polar ice caps, the Great Lakes, Alaska's winters wouldn't also affect El Nino and la Nina... :roll:

Now for the simplistic mind one observation is all they need, no need to look at contradictory data. I recall someone bringing in the NOAA observations of a colder than normal winter in the lower 48 as 'proof' global warming is a farce. Never mind one affect of Global Warming is a 'boot' to the polar cold sink causing it to warble off the polar cap. As the naysayers about global warming forgot to mention is Alaska is warmer than normal, 4* warmer according to NOAA, so it doesn't take a huge number of brain cells to see where a boot to the polar cold sink from the west just might cause it to slide down the North American Continent... ;)
 
There is not record breaking ice coverage on the Great Lakes, its merely above average ice coverage. This is the first time in well over a decade. The central and eastern US has been cold, but globally temps have been above average. Alaska has been in a practical heat wave for winter.
 
Lake Michigan is about 63 percent frozen. And the largest lake in the system, Huron, is about 85 percent covered.
Click to expand...
Wow. I am surprised that someone would call Huron the largest lake in the system, when Superior is actually he largest lake in the system.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
There is not record breaking ice coverage on the Great Lakes, its merely above average ice coverage. This is the first time in well over a decade. The central and eastern US has been cold, but globally temps have been above average. Alaska has been in a practical heat wave for winter.
Click to expand...

It's not about the AGW hypotheses, it's about media bias.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
yeah, the media bias against covering stories detailing the effects of climate change.
Click to expand...

When the lakes were open the media used it to talk about global warming but now that they are frozen over at near record levels they make no mention of global warming whatsoever. An unbiased media would bring it up both times or neither time. Any warming event is used to shore up the AGW hypotheses whereas any cooling event is glossed over and means nothing. That is media bias on display.
 
Why is this thread in Bias?
 
I can vouch for the accuracy of this. I live on the shore of Lake Michigan, and it's much more frozen this winter than in years past. Of course, Wisconsin where I live has been sodomized by these "polar vortex" things and it's been stupid cold.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
There is not record breaking ice coverage on the Great Lakes, its merely above average ice coverage.
Click to expand...
This is the type of event to be expected as the earth continues to cool.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
There is not record breaking ice coverage on the Great Lakes, its merely above average ice coverage. This is the first time in well over a decade. The central and eastern US has been cold, but globally temps have been above average. Alaska has been in a practical heat wave for winter.
Click to expand...

This is a good thing in that when there is ice covering the Great Lakes, there is less evaporation during the winter, and the lake water levels have been down for a long time, like 20 years. If this is the beginning of a trend that refills the lakes and increases the lake's water levels it could only do the lakes some good.
 
jmotivator said:
"Has warmed" and "is cooling" are not mutually exclusive statements.
Click to expand...

In some contexts yes, but you got a lot of nutters out there thinking we are on the verge of a new ice age. The whole Ice Age Now crowd.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom