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Government to sue Texas over voter ID law

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[h=1]Government to sue Texas over voter ID law [/h]


Protection of voting rights, or violation of states' rights? What do you think?
 
Good luck with that folks.
 
[h=1]Government to sue Texas over voter ID law [/h]



Protection of voting rights, or violation of states' rights? What do you think?

This is a classic case of political targetting, or selective enforcement. Now that the SCOTUS has ended the endless VRA "extension" charade, what basis is Holder inventing to treat Texas differently than Indiana? Indiana has the the same voter ID law as Texas, since 2005, but without free ID assistance for the poor. One interpretation of federal law for "bad" red states and another interpretation of federal for "good" blue states?
 
States don't have rights. People do. The entire history of "states' rights" has been state governments fighting for the power to oppress their people, and the federal government being necessary to stop them. When it comes to racial or sexual equality, states have consistently been the oppressors. The idea that states protect us from federal overreach is laughable. The opposite has been true over and over.
 

Seriously?

That must explain, as an example, why Obama and Holder have decided to continue enforcing federal pot laws in states that have legalized it, because these states were oppressing their citizens by letting them vote on it.

That also must explain why several states took the federal government to court to have their same sex marriages recognized federally.
 

It is not nor has it ever been about the protection of individual liberties. It is and always has been about power -- on both sides.
 


Nah, that Jim Crow hyperbole went out with forced integration. We currently have local Governments in Texas that respect the right of each and every voter and no, asking for a ID is not a "poll tax"
 
It is not nor has it ever been about the protection of individual liberties. It is and always has been about power -- on both sides.

I could be wrong, but seems to me that various states do a far better job of giving their constituents voice by way of ballot initiatives, binding on state and local government. Does the federal government do the same? I can't think of any federal initiative where the people were actually asked for their view.
 

The Feds are good for consistency, bad for individual voice. The states are good for individual voice, bad for consistency.

Additionally, only about half the states allow for direct ballot initiatives, depending on how you define initiative.
 
That must explain, as an example, why Obama and Holder have decided to continue enforcing federal pot laws in states that have legalized it, because these states were oppressing their citizens by letting them vote on it.

You're right. There is a sole prominent exception. How about that.

That also must explain why several states took the federal government to court to have their same sex marriages recognized federally.

Huh? The SSM debate has become entirely about using the federal courts to defeat state oppression of gays. The bigots want to leave civil rights up to a popular vote in each state. It is the federal constitution that protect people from kind of oppression.
 

CJ, that's why we pay to send Lucy and Ethel to DC! Nobody cares what we think...including Lucy and Ethel, unfortunately!
 
The Feds are good for consistency, bad for individual voice. The states are good for individual voice, bad for consistency.

Additionally, only about half the states allow for direct ballot initiatives, depending on how you define initiative.

Some is always better than none, and seems to me the trend is growing, not diminishing.
 
Some is always better than none, and seems to me the trend is growing, not diminishing.

I'm glad you're happy about it, but you can't hold up the states as being paragons of individual liberty when one of the criteria you cited is untrue for so many states.
 

Really? Who were the parties who sued the federal government all the way to the Supreme Court to strike down DOMA? Wasn't that partially the states who had SSM laws and they wanted to protect their citizens against federal descrimination?
 
I'm glad you're happy about it, but you can't hold up the states as being paragons of individual liberty when one of the criteria you cited is untrue for so many states.

That's fair - but my argument was with the poster who claimed states oppress their citizens and only the feds protect them - I bolieve it's often the other way around.
 
Really? Who were the parties who sued the federal government all the way to the Supreme Court to strike down DOMA? Wasn't that partially the states who had SSM laws and they wanted to protect their citizens against federal descrimination?

Did you maybe miss the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the requirements some states had imposed on, um, certain members of the voting public?
 
That's fair - but my argument was with the poster who claimed states oppress their citizens and only the feds protect them - I bolieve it's often the other way around.

Well, I think both suck. I think they're both tussling for power. Kinda like the 2-party system.
 
Really? Who were the parties who sued the federal government all the way to the Supreme Court to strike down DOMA? Wasn't that partially the states who had SSM laws and they wanted to protect their citizens against federal descrimination?

No... it was citizens of the states who were being oppressed by the state governments. In both cases, the plaintiffs were members of same sex couples who had been denied the benefits of marriage by the state they lived in. The states were the defendants, not the plaintiffs. No one sued the federal government. The parties appealed the decisions from state courts up into the federal court system. The federal government was never a party to either case.

That's fair - but my argument was with the poster who claimed states oppress their citizens and only the feds protect them - I bolieve it's often the other way around.

You cited one example. It was federal action that has obtained rights for women consistently over the last century. It was federal action (often the supreme court striking down draconian state laws) that has obtained rights for gays consistently over the last few decades. It was federal action that secured the right to birth control and abortion over state laws.

Your belief has nothing to do with reality.
 
I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Texas.
 
[h=1]Government to sue Texas over voter ID law [/h]



Protection of voting rights, or violation of states' rights? What do you think?

Imagine a crook whom every time you let out of jail, he goes stealing, no exception. Now of course the crook argument is that hey look...., when I'm in jail I behave well, so I deserve to be let out because of my good behavior, but once again when you let him out...the first thing he does is go stealing again....

Now the Conservative in you might argue... if that is the case then he should never be let out...which is a sound argument, even though is coming from a republican and I would agree. Now replace the name Crook with Sate of Texas and the act of stealing is voter suppression. But now the very same republican voice is arguing that "hey we should cut Texas some slack and look while the voting rights acts was full in force, Texas didn't break any laws, so it natural to believe if you remove such restrictions Texas still going to behave!!!! We did and they didn't....Lesson was not learned!!!!

Actually Texas Attorney General Abbott has already said in a public statement that their voting right act violation is not due to racism or voting fraud....They just don't want or make it as hard as possible for any democrat to vote, that is the reason for all these jim crow laws...



Below is the background about the voting right acts...interesting read and very relevant to our time

 
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