Government shutdown based on a lie: "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

[NolanVoyd]

Is that different from comprehension?

typo

Because I'm pretty sure mine is great, and that you're lying and gaslighting!

Yey you cant quote me or back that up. Just putting wirds in my mouth.

How?

If people are worried anout being reported some percentage of them will not seek help unyil its desperate. That is bad for everyone.

 

[Cosmo]

typo


Yey you cant quote me or back that up. Just putting wirds in my mouth.

I already quoted your excuse about how federal funds aren't used for illegal care (except emergencies). You're fighting against basic, reasonable steps that can be taken to ensure compliance to keep it nearly unenforceable.

If people are worried anout being reported some percentage of them will not seek help unyil its desperate.

If it's not desperate, and they're not seeking help because they're worried they'll be made to follow the law, is it really an emergency?

That is bad for everyone.

I don't agree, but that's fine. Just stop hiding behind your "Under federal law, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal health benefits" because you know it's ultimately meaningless as you're fighting to keep it virtually unenforceable.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I already quoted your excuse about how federal funds aren't used for illegal care (except emergencies). You're fighting against basic, reasonable steps that can be taken to ensure compliance to keep it nearly unenforceable.

So you cant back it up.

If it's not desperate, and they're not seeking help because they're worried they'll be made to follow the law, is it really an emergency?

Yes.

example. Bad cough, font go get help because you worried about being reported. Turns into pnumonia.

I don't agree, but that's fine. Just stop hiding behind your "Under federal law, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal health benefits" because you know it's ultimately meaningless as you're fighting to keep it virtually unenforceable.

No, emergency care is allowed. As it should be. Regular medicaid is not, and that is enfirceable.

You seem really confused.

Slow down.

Look at facts.

 

[Cosmo]

So you cant back it up.

Yes.

example. Bad cough, font go get help because you worried about being reported. Turns into pnumonia.

In post #8 you tried to argue that illegals don't get non-emergency Medicaid because

Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for comprehensive Medicaid coverage under federal law.

In post #65 you acknowledged that this is not going to be enforced and that you don't want to do anything to enforce it:

Checking immigration status isnt a hospital's job.

In post #59 you were talking about

cardiac arrest, or with a broken femur and uncontolled bleeding

and now you're talking about something that's not desperate, like a ****ing cough!

That's the bait-and-switch shit that leads me to accuse you of lying. You know the illegals are getting those federal funds because your side has made the rule you initially relied on for your argument practically unenforceable. You know it was never going to be limited to real emergencies like the ones you listed. You want illegals to stay in the US and to get free taxpayer-funded care, period.

Post in thread 'Government shutdown based on a lie: "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!'

Thursday at 7:20 PM

The Government has shut down and that is because the Democrats and Republicans failed to come to a compromise on Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill". The democrats are against the bill because they have stated (with good reason) that the bill will take away Medicare and Medicaid from approximately 5 million Americans.

The Republicans have stated "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

That statement is based on lies!

Factchecking The White House “Mythbuster” on Medicaid Cuts and Immigrants​

On June 2, 2025, The...

• Buster Keaton

• 

So just admit it and stop lying.

No, emergency care is allowed. As it should be. Regular medicaid is not, and that is enfirceable.

You seem really confused.

Slow down.

Look at facts.

"Your immigration status won't be shared with federal immigration authorities" is not enforcement. All the gaslighting in the world won't help.

 

[Deuce]

Do you remember this debate question?
Raise your hand if you think that illegal aliens should receive free healthcare.

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The actual question was "should everyone have healthcare?"

 

[Linuxcooldude]

It says right on government websites that illegals can get Medicaid.

Immigrants - OCHIA

Ouch!

 

[Linuxcooldude]

This explai6ns it.

Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for comprehensive Medicaid coverage under federal law. However, they may qualify for limited emergency services paid for by Medicaid and, in certain states, are eligible for broader state-funded health programs.
Limited federal coverage
Under federal law, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal health benefits like standard Medicaid, Medicare, or to purchase subsidized plans through the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplaces.
However, they are entitled to the following limited services:

• Emergency medical care: All hospitals that accept Medicare must provide stabilizing treatment for emergency medical conditions, including labor and delivery, regardless of a patient's immigration status or ability to pay. Medicaid funds may be used to reimburse the hospital for this emergency care.
• Other safety-net care: Immigrants can access other forms of care, such as free or low-cost services, through federally qualified health centers (FQHCs), public hospitals, and other safety-net providers.

State-funded coverage
Some states use their own funds to provide health coverage to undocumented immigrants who meet income requirements. Eligibility varies by state and can change due to new legislation or budget constraints.

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Limited federal coverage isn’t the same as claiming no federal healthcare the left are saying.

 

[NolanVoyd]

In post #8 you tried to argue that illegals don't get non-emergency Medicaid because

You really need to wirk on your reading comprehension.

They dont.

we are talking about the ER.

In post #65 you acknowledged that this is not going to be enforced

I acknoedged no such thing.

read better.

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for regular medicaid.

that is enforced. Just not in the er, because the er is emergency care (that is what the e in er stands for) they treat everybody, with or without medicaid.

and that you don't want to do anything to enforce it:

LIe.

In post #59 you were talking about

Right. If yoy have a bad cough, that wont go away, and dont have a regular doctor. You should go tp the ER. Waiting too long makes it worse and more expensive for everyone.

and now you're talking about something that's not desperate, like a ****ing cough!

See above.

That's the bait-and-switch shit that leads me to accuse you of lying.

there is zero bait and switch there. You just have comprehension issues.

You know the illegals are getting those federal funds because your side has made the rule you initially relied on for your argument practically unenforceable.

false. They arent getting it, and it os emforceable.

the ER is not where it gets enforced

You know it was never going to be limited to real emergencies like the ones you listed. You want illegals to stay in the US and to get free taxpayer-funded care, period.

You are fond of failing to understand and putting words in peoples mouths instead.

Post in thread 'Government shutdown based on a lie: "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!'

Thursday at 7:20 PM

The Government has shut down and that is because the Democrats and Republicans failed to come to a compromise on Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill". The democrats are against the bill because they have stated (with good reason) that the bill will take away Medicare and Medicaid from approximately 5 million Americans.

The Republicans have stated "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

That statement is based on lies!

Factchecking The White House “Mythbuster” on Medicaid Cuts and Immigrants​

On June 2, 2025, The...

• Buster Keaton

• 

So just admit it and stop lying.

"Your immigration status won't be shared with federal immigration authorities" is not enforcement. All the gaslighting in the world won't help.

See below

 

[Linuxcooldude]

So to you, humanitarian compassion is wrong. You'd rather live with your greed and let your fellow man suffer or even die.
That's so manly of you. So Christian of you.

I would start worrying if you are a believer. He'll is taking reservations. I wish you luck. At least you can burn right next to your manly hero. He'll be there for sure.

I don’t think we are contending to deny lifesaving medical care if need be. What we should be saying, the federal government is in fact subsidizing Medicade for illegals.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Fact:

Fraud related to undocumented immigrants and medicaid is not an issue.

Slow down, read, and learn.

Federal law makes most undocumented immigrants ineligible for federally funded health coverage, including Medicaid. While individuals can commit fraud by misrepresenting their eligibility, most issues of "improper payments" related to immigrants are systemic and not typically criminal fraud.
Ineligibility for most Medicaid programs

• Federal law: Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for traditional, federally funded Medicaid, with limited exceptions.
• Emergency coverage: An exception is "Emergency Medicaid," which reimburses hospitals for emergency care provided to patients who would otherwise be Medicaid-eligible. The law requires hospitals to provide this care regardless of a person's immigration status.
• Marketplace plans: Undocumented immigrants also cannot purchase plans through the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplaces or receive subsidies.

Types of improper payments and fraud
Mistakes and fraud within Medicaid are not unique to any one group. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) differentiates between improper payments and criminal fraud.

• Improper payments: These are payments that do not meet statutory, regulatory, or administrative requirements. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, most of these errors are due to insufficient documentation and do not indicate fraud.
• Criminal fraud: While fraud can be committed by anyone, including Medicaid recipients, most healthcare fraud involves providers, organized crime, or drug manufacturers.

Fraud-related rhetoric and misinformation
Political rhetoric has often linked undocumented immigrants to widespread Medicaid fraud, but this claim is frequently inaccurate.

• Misleading information: Fact-checking organizations, like Georgetown University's Center for Children and Families, have noted that claims of undocumented immigrants "driving up Medicaid spending" are often inaccurate because these individuals are not eligible for traditional Medicaid.
• False claims: In late 2025, during a potential government shutdown, false claims circulated that congressional Democrats were attempting to extend federal Medicaid eligibility to undocumented immigrants. Fact-checkers confirmed that undocumented immigrants were already barred from these benefits under existing law.

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[NolanVoyd]

Limited federal coverage isn’t the same as claiming no federal healthcare the left are saying.

• False claims: In late 2025, during a potential government shutdown, false claims circulated that congressional Democrats were attempting to extend federal Medicaid eligibility to undocumented immigrants. Fact-checkers confirmed that undocumented immigrants were already barred from these benefits under existing law.

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[madman]

Is that different from comprehension? Because I'm pretty sure mine is great, and that you're lying and gaslighting! But that's OK! We've gotten over taking liberals seriously. We're at the point and laugh and watch Trump kick the illegals out stage.

How?


Did you find the "colored words" that "done exist" yet?


That's nice and all, but if there's no illegal reporting, we're blatantly told there's no reporting, and we know they've gotten the assistance in the past, it means it's nothing more than words on a piece of paper.

you are simply ignoring the facts.

 

[Cosmo]

You really need to wirk on your reading comprehension.

They dont.

we are talking about the ER.



I acknoedged no such thing.

read better.

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for regular medicaid.

that is enforced. Just not in the er, because the er is emergency care (that is what the e in er stands for) they treat everybody, with or without medicaid.

LIe.

Right. If yoy have a bad cough, that wont go away, and dont have a regular doctor. You should go tp the ER. Waiting too long makes it worse and more expensive for everyone.

If you have a cough that can wait for a regular doctor and the only reason you're not going there is because you don't have one, and it's mild enough that you wouldn't even go to the ER if there is even a hint of a chance your illegal status will be discovered, it's not an emergency. Pretending it's the same thing as a cardiac arrest is just silly, but you're welcome to keep doing it. I want more people to see what the liberals are all about.

As for what the illegal should do in such a situation? He should go back to his ****ing country and get treatment there.

See above.

there is zero bait and switch there. You just have comprehension issues.

false. They arent getting it,

As has been posted for you, they are, and CA was even caught doing it. Denying the truth that's right in front of you is what I want people to see the left doing.

and it os emforceable.

the ER is not where it gets enforced

You are fond of failing to understand and putting words in peoples mouths instead.

See below

 

[Buster Keaton]

The actual question was "should everyone have healthcare?"

And "everyone" includes 10 million illegal alien moochers.
You might figure it out when the Democrats bankrupt the government.

 

[Blue Dog]

This shutdown was a foregone conclusion. The GOP did not want the budget to pass.

 

[NolanVoyd]

If you have a cough that can wait for a regular doctor and the only reason you're not going there is because you don't have one, and it's mild enough that you wouldn't even go to the ER if there is even a hint of a chance your illegal status will be discovered, it's not an emergency.

Not what i said is it?

why do you lie about what i say in print?

what i sad was a bad cough that wont go away, dont have a doctor, you should go to the ER before it turns tp pnumonia

Pretending it's the same thing as a cardiac arrest is just silly

saying i was "pretending it is the same thing as cardiac arrest" is a lie you made up. A straw man.

As for what the illegal should do in such a situation? He should go back to his ****ing country and get treatment there.

But he lives and works here. Just a fact.

Denying the truth that's right in front of you is what I want people to see the left doing.

I keep posting facts, proving you wrong.

You keep denying the truth that is right on front of you.

 

[roberthughey]

The Government has shut down and that is because the Democrats and Republicans failed to come to a compromise on Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill". The democrats are against the bill because they have stated (with good reason) that the bill will take away Medicare and Medicaid from approximately 5 million Americans.

The Republicans have stated "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

That statement is based on lies!

Factchecking The White House “Mythbuster” on Medicaid Cuts and Immigrants​

On June 2, 2025, The White House posted a “Mythbuster” fact sheet in defense of the House-passed reconciliation bill. However, the sheet is full of inaccuracies and advances more myths than facts—too many to cover in just one blog. This blog will focus on one prominent false claim, namely that 1.4 million undocumented immigrants will be removed from Medicaid. (And there’s some incredible irony here, too.)

The White House fact sheet says that, under the House bill, Medicaid will better serve the American people “by removing at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants from the program.” This is unequivocally false.

As we have covered previously, comprehensive Medicaid coverage is not available to undocumented immigrants. The 1.4 million immigrants the White House presumably refers to are immigrants who will lose coverage due to reductions in state health care programs, funded by states and not by federal Medicaid dollars.

Trump supporters believe that lie to the nth degree

This is what is happening:

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Why are the states reducing their state healthcare programs?

"The 1.4 million immigrants the White House presumably refers to are immigrants who will lose coverage due to reductions in state health care programs, funded by states and not by federal Medicaid dollars."?

 

[vanceen]

I lived in the UK for ten years. During that time my family and I received health care from the NHS (for which I paid taxes). In the local doctor's office (which they call a surgery) was a sign saying that non-citizens would be charged at such and such a rate. They knew I was not a citizen but never asked for money. I seriously doubt that they would have had any process for taking money.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with illegal aliens receiving health care (or police protection, or fire or other emergency services). It's not good for a society to have a lot of people in it who can't afford to get treated.

Identify them and by all means, deport them. But when they are here, they ought to get basic services because they are human beings.

 

[Luckyone]

Why are the states reducing their state healthcare programs?

"The 1.4 million immigrants the White House presumably refers to are immigrants who will lose coverage due to reductions in state health care programs, funded by states and not by federal Medicaid dollars."?

Duh!

AI Overview

States are reducing health care programs, primarily Medicaid, in response to significant federal funding cuts implemented by the
One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA), signed into law on July 4, 2025. This reduction is also driven by broader fiscal pressures, including inflation, rising costs, and slowing tax revenues following the expiration of pandemic-era aid.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The Government has shut down and that is because the Democrats and Republicans failed to come to a compromise on Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill". The democrats are against the bill because they have stated (with good reason) that the bill will take away Medicare and Medicaid from approximately 5 million Americans.

The Republicans have stated "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

That statement is based on lies!

Factchecking The White House “Mythbuster” on Medicaid Cuts and Immigrants​

On June 2, 2025, The White House posted a “Mythbuster” fact sheet in defense of the House-passed reconciliation bill. However, the sheet is full of inaccuracies and advances more myths than facts—too many to cover in just one blog. This blog will focus on one prominent false claim, namely that 1.4 million undocumented immigrants will be removed from Medicaid. (And there’s some incredible irony here, too.)

The White House fact sheet says that, under the House bill, Medicaid will better serve the American people “by removing at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants from the program.” This is unequivocally false.

As we have covered previously, comprehensive Medicaid coverage is not available to undocumented immigrants. The 1.4 million immigrants the White House presumably refers to are immigrants who will lose coverage due to reductions in state health care programs, funded by states and not by federal Medicaid dollars.

Trump supporters believe that lie to the nth degree

This is what is happening:

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Trumptards will believe it.

Trumptards are NOT intelligent "people" imho.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Do you remember this debate question?
Raise your hand if you think that illegal aliens should receive free healthcare.

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All humans should receive healthcare, even the *G A S P* Mexicans, yes that is correct. You must be brilliant. Good job.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Duh!

AI Overview

States are reducing health care programs, primarily Medicaid, in response to significant federal funding cuts implemented by the
One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA), signed into law on July 4, 2025. This reduction is also driven by broader fiscal pressures, including inflation, rising costs, and slowing tax revenues following the expiration of pandemic-era aid.

Oh, I thought they were reducing the budgets because all people had received all the healthcare they need.

LMAO!! Just kidding, that would never happen in Ameritard, USA.

 

[Luckyone]

No, it's about keeping them in the country, which is why you demand they DON'T report illegals so they keep wasting taxpayer dollars! Hospitals already have to report Medicaid-related info. I don't see you complaining about that, but as soon as it comes to immigration status, out comes the "hypocratoc oath."

I'm doing fine, and so are the voters who voted for Trump and stopped buying into your lies.

Illegals are not wasting taxpayer money!

Prove that what you think is true!

Of course, you are doing fine "right now" but then again, this is what is happening to you, and you don't yet see it:



and this:

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I want the illegals out of the country. Then it's not even an issue.

As the old man would've said: "Want in one hand.....and shit in the other. See which hand fills up faster."

 

[roberthughey]

Duh!

AI Overview

States are reducing health care programs, primarily Medicaid, in response to significant federal funding cuts implemented by the
One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA), signed into law on July 4, 2025. This reduction is also driven by broader fiscal pressures, including inflation, rising costs, and slowing tax revenues following the expiration of pandemic-era aid.

AI overview.

That's a joke.

Why are those states providing state health care for illegals if the government is reducing Medicaid for legal citizens?