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You really think the GOP doesn't pick and choose?
What is better for the economy, X amount of billionaires, or 1000X millionaires? The typical poorly educated middle class think that getting back a few hundred dollars extra each year is such a wonderful thing that we should let the rich get back a few million extra every year.
You need to stop with the broad brush.
There are no brushes broader than those of the far right....and that is where most of the "conservatives" here reside.Do you have any data that the middle class is poorly educated and therefore stupid? How about that all the rich get back millions? You need to stop with the broad brush.
There are no brushes broader than those of the far right....and that is where most of the "conservatives" here reside.
You want me to provide data when you have none of your own. 3 to 5 percent more taxes paid by the rich won't make them change all that much. They aren't that small minded or petty...
There are no brushes broader than those of the far right....and that is where most of the "conservatives" here reside.
You want me to provide data when you have none of your own. 3 to 5 percent more taxes paid by the rich won't make them change all that much. They aren't that small minded or petty...
you are ignorant IF you think the tax hikes will mean those considered rich will only be paying 3-5% more taxes
a hike from 35% to 39.6% is more than a 10% increase in the amount of taxes paid
jacking the tax on dividend income from 15% to 39.6% is a huge increase which will more than double taxes on that source of income
if someone is retired and mainly lives off of investments-their taxes could more than double
its easy to always dismiss what others have to pay when it does not affect you
What evidence is there that the impact will be so minimal? I mean, if they won't really act differently, why not jack it up 60 or 70 percent?
IF their income is up in the multi-millions, go for it....it's not like they will SUFFER in any way.
Because they are the ones that have provided me with a decent education, enforcement of the rule of law, and protection of my rights and property. I care what other people pay because the extent to which it costs you should be proportional to the extent to which you benefited from it.Why is it so important to you what someone else pays in taxes and why would you want more of your dollars to go to politicians in D.C.?
It doesn't, which is why I don't support a full repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts right now. However, I don't feel a partial repeal would hurt and down the road a full repeal would make a huge impact in trying to pay off the debt.Regardless of the amount, how does raising taxes employ people?
I'm willing to take my chances.some will, yes. certainly not to the point where you would see a drop in revenues (unless you also increased the capital gains tax and destroyed investment, which is far more sensitive), but some absolutely will.
There is evidence that the sunset on the just the higher tax rates (expansion of the 28% bracket at and re-instatement of the 36% and 39.6% rates), re-instatement of the PEP and limitations on itemized deductions, and imposition of a 20% tax rate on capital gains and dividends will have a smaller impact than the other provisions of the sunset. The MA forecast is just the increases in taxes that affects those with higher incomes (the changes I listed above). According to this analysis it would raise $60 billion annually.
Based on those charts, it would also result in lower GDP growth and higher unemployment.
LOL you call me a hack? too funny for words
Obama's policies are idiotic and you lap them up
When you constantly go out of your way to constantly ignore Lord T's post showing how your stance on income only taxes is dishonest, yes you are.
When presented with multiple instances of how your position objectively doesn't make sense is met with literal avoidance, that does not suggest honesty is something you care about.
Too bad I criticized them. I see you can't help but keep lying.
IF their income is up in the multi-millions, go for it....it's not like they will SUFFER in any way.
how do you know? You assume that anyone who is far more industrious than you can afford what ever tax hikes people like you want to visit on them? You must assume that wealthy people have the same expenses you do and thus can afford huge increases in the amount of discretionary income taken from them. That is idiotic
Can anyone show me any time in recent history that more revenue going to D.C. resulted in less spending and a surplus that actually reduced the debt? Another thing that is idiotic is believing that when you raise taxes on even another class that human behavior will not change or that revenue projections will be met.
I wonder why it is so hard for people to understand how keeping more of what they earn is a good thing and actually helps the economy and even how they react if they have less take home pay with higher taxes thus less for spending, saving, investing, or paying down debt. Maybe that is the problem, people calling for higher taxes don't pay any taxes or are part of the group that want to keep people dependent on that govt?
I was plenty industrious, when I needed to be. The wife and I enjoy a very good retirement, with a 4500 sq. ft. summer home and a 2200 sq. ft winter home. A lot of people, myself included, consider us rich. Certainly, we have all we need and then some.how do you know? You assume that anyone who is far more industrious than you can afford what ever tax hikes people like you want to visit on them? You must assume that wealthy people have the same expenses you do and thus can afford huge increases in the amount of discretionary income taken from them. That is idiotic
his posts that you seem to worship does nothing of the sort
you again confuse opinions with facts and you just don't like the fact that I have no use for parasitic opinions or the "greater good" trumps individual rights argument
Apparently you think his post doesn't break down taxes. Imagination. The best tool to defending a faulty ideology. Pretend everything you don't like doesn't exist.
Huh. I guess a cited break down of taxation is just an "opinion."
and in your haste to try to challenge me you continue to miss the point
I oppose income taxes and I especially oppose a system that lets people like you vote up the taxes on people who already pay far too much in taxes
Good luck with that.....my bet is that the GOP won't have the numbers to stop the tax breaks from being extended.....
no doubt-the numbers of parasites continue to expand while the numbers of net tax payers continue to shrink
one day the house of cards is going to collapse and all of those who have become dependent on the government to take care of them are going to be in a world of hurt
the good news is that I expect the tax hikes to really mess this country up in 2012 which will hopefully mean an end to dem control for at least a few election cycles.
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