GOP Nightmare, Obamacare Popularity Soars

[Smartmouthwoman]

Gas prices quadrupled under Bush while the economy burned and thousands of American soldiers died looking for WMD that did not exist, but yet the GOP faithful said no one word. And, it's not just party loyalty--you all kicked out your own Black leader as fast as possible---that Steel dude.

Democrats are nothing if not hypocrites.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjigcS8gN04

 

[calamity]

Democrats are nothing if not hypocrites.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjigcS8gN04

Well, your moron of a president, "W", did start a war in the Middle East, Iraq, IIRC, which resulted in a spike in oil prices, driving the price of gas through the roof.

 

[Smartmouthwoman]

Well, your moron of a president, "W", did start a war in the Middle East, Iraq, IIRC, which resulted in a spike in oil prices, driving the price of gas through the roof.

But Bush was able to bring gas prices back down, wasn't he? Obama's own Energy Secty told us we have to suffer and they've made good on that threat.

Regardless... heard this morning Obama's approval rating with Hispanics is tanking.

So much for that soaring popularity you're counting on, huh?

 

[tres borrachos]

The bolded above is nonsense. I can assure you that the clinic which I use verifies insurance and allows cash payment at the time of treatment. I am sure that some cash customers manage to get care, as I do, by running a balance but if that is not paid down, on a regular basis, then no further care will be given.

Then the people who are saying in this thread that insurance is not verified when a patient walks in are lying?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamacare-aca/189004-yet-another-reason-we-have-pass-know-4.html

 

[tres borrachos]

Well, your moron of a president, "W", did start a war in the Middle East, Iraq, IIRC, which resulted in a spike in oil prices, driving the price of gas through the roof.

Thanks to your moronic Democrats in Congress who fully supported it.

 

[tres borrachos]

I find that most people spouting out about this have no clue what the hell they are talking about. It's not like one visit to a doctor, after lying about "forgetting your health card", will cure your heart disease or diagnose...oh, I don't know, Crohn's Disease or something equally difficult to identify, like a thyroid disease, yet alone treat it.

Can you please post a link that shows how many people died from Crohn's Disease who didn't have insurance? Better yet, how many died from CD, period? How about thryoid disease? Heart disease?

And can we assume that these people make up the 5-6 million who are now insured through the ACA? The dozens of millions still without insurance are all perfectly healthy. Correct?

 

[calamity]

Can you please post a link that shows how many people died from Crohn's Disease who didn't have insurance? Better yet, how many died from CD, period? How about thryoid disease? Heart disease?

So, if it doesn't kill them, let them suffer with an untreated disease? I think you just made my point. Without health insurance, the ER or any doctor you can't afford to pay cash to will not treat anything which is not emergent or urgent, like CD and TD.

And can we assume that these people make up the 5-6 million who are now insured through the ACA? The dozens of millions still without insurance are all perfectly healthy. Correct?

Dozens of millions are not being insured? That's how it used to be. Now, pretty much everyone is slowly being signed up. Also, it used to be that those with preexisting medical conditions couldn't get insurance, even if they wanted it. Those folks alone numbered in the dozens of millions. Now they can all get coverage.

 

[Threegoofs]

Can you please post a link that shows how many people died from Crohn's Disease who didn't have insurance? Better yet, how many died from CD, period? How about thryoid disease? Heart disease?

And can we assume that these people make up the 5-6 million who are now insured through the ACA? The dozens of millions still without insurance are all perfectly healthy. Correct?

Well, if you're interested, you can read about it here, in this Institutes of Medicine Report. Since its quite clear you are on the... errr.... underinformed side of this debate, I'll clue you in and let you know the IoM is the health arm of the National Acadamy of Sciences - and is about the most respected organization in Medicine in the nation.

America's Uninsured Crisis: Consequences for Health and Health Care - Institute of Medicine

Since I doubt you'll get past the link, I'll give you the short summary - being uninsured results in about a 25% greater risk of death, and its estimated that about 26,000 people per year die as a result of not getting adequate care because of poor or no health insurance.

I can promise you that this is not an exaggeration. I can think of dozens if not hundreds of people in my career that I saw end up with truly awful outcomes because of poor insurance coverage - from deaths from medication noncompliance to avoiding appointments and ending up in heart failure, to death from diabetic foot sepsis because of a chronic history of avoiding treatment due to costs.

 

[Threegoofs]

But Bush was able to bring gas prices back down, wasn't he? Obama's own Energy Secty told us we have to suffer and they've made good on that threat.

Yes. He brought them down to $1.84 per gallon. And you have no idea why. But somehow, you think Bush did an awesome job with it and the price rise was Obama's fault.

Trust me... you dont want that to happen again. And you should be celebrating that Obama didnt keep gas prices at $1.84.

 

[Smartmouthwoman]

Pure nonsense. Nobody has ever died in this country because they had no insurance. Now folks might've suffered because they were too lazy/proud/stupid to reach out for help. But not from lack of insurance.

Watch... there will still be deaths, even among those covered by Obamacare.

What will you blame it on then?

 

[calamity]

Thanks to your moronic Democrats in Congress who fully supported it.

Nonsense. Democrats were split on the issue--more of them voting against the war than for it, in fact--it's the moron Republicans who fully supported it.

 

[Smartmouthwoman]

Yes. He brought them down to $1.84 per gallon. And you have no idea why. But somehow, you think Bush did an awesome job with it and the price rise was Obama's fault.

Trust me... you dont want that to happen again. And you should be celebrating that Obama didnt keep gas prices at $1.84.

Yes, I celebrate the suffering of the poor in America. Maybe if we're lucky, Obama will raise gas prices to $5 a gallon soon.

 

[mak2]

Factually wrong.

Pure nonsense. Nobody has ever died on this country because they had no insurance. Now folks might've suffered because they were too lazy/proud/stupid to reach out for help. But not from lack of insurance.

Watch... there will still be deaths, even among those covered by Obamacare.

What will you blame it on then?

 

[Smartmouthwoman]

Factually wrong.

Depends on whose facts you choose to believe. There's never been a death certificate issued with "cause of death: no insurance" printed on it.

But there have been a lot of distorted facts to support the govt takeover of our health care industry.

 

[mak2]

Early detection has a direct impact on breast cancer survival rates, and the greatest indicator of utilization of screening is ability to pay. No ability to pay makes screening less likely, less screening increases breast cancer mortatlity rates.

Paying for breast cancer screening

Since 1991 when the program began, it has provided millions of screening exams to underserved women and diagnosed more than 50,000 breast cancers. Due to limited resources, though, less than 1 in 8 eligible women aged 40 to 64 is able to be screened for breast cancer through this program nationwide.

 

[Threegoofs]

Pure nonsense. Nobody has ever died in this country because they had no insurance. Now folks might've suffered because they were too lazy/proud/stupid to reach out for help. But not from lack of insurance.

Watch... there will still be deaths, even among those covered by Obamacare.

What will you blame it on then?

I've seen it.

Sorry to inject reality into your fantasy world.

 

[sangha]

But Bush was able to bring gas prices back down, wasn't he?

That's true

And all he had to do to accomplish that was to create the biggest economic crisis the US has seen since the Great Depression

 

[sangha]

Then the people who are saying in this thread that insurance is not verified when a patient walks in are lying?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamacare-aca/189004-yet-another-reason-we-have-pass-know-4.html

You seem to have a problem following that discussion. It was made clear that SOP for doctors offices is to verify coverage the first time a new patient walks in. They usually don't, but can if they choose to, verify coverage every time a patient come into their office

No, most providers verify coverage only on the first visit. After that, they assume the patient has the same coverage unless the patient informs them otherwise.

That's because, right now, verifying coverage requires them to actually get on the phone, call the insurer and speak to one of their representatives who can verify the coverage and tell them the details like co-pays, etc. That can take several minutes, which is too much time to do every time a patient comes in

 

[tres borrachos]

Factually wrong.

It isn't factually wrong. There are statistics on how many people died, and how many of them didn't have insurance. Those stats and studies are from years ago, and they don't ultimately say lack of insurance caused the deaths, nor do they say that insurance would have saved the patient.

I can have the world's best insurance, but if I have brain cancer, my chances of survival are very low.

If I chose to smoke, no amount of insurance will help me.

If I eat too much and don't exercise, I have a high likelihood of developing diabetes which leads to complications that can kill me.

If I'm a gay man and I chose to have unprotected sex with the wrong partner and I get AIDS, insurance won't be able to save me.

To my knowledge there has never been a death cerificate issued that lists "No insurance" as the cause of death.

And there will still be how many millions of uninsured people in this country after the enrollment period in Obamacare ends again?

 

[sangha]

Can you please post a link that shows how many people died from Crohn's Disease who didn't have insurance? Better yet, how many died from CD, period? How about thryoid disease? Heart disease?

And can we assume that these people make up the 5-6 million who are now insured through the ACA? The dozens of millions still without insurance are all perfectly healthy. Correct?

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | Harvard Gazette

 

[Threegoofs]

Yes, I celebrate the suffering of the poor in America. Maybe if we're lucky, Obama will raise gas prices to $5 a gallon soon.

You still dont know why the prices were so low. You still think it was an awesome thing.

Where do you get your factual information.... Sean Hannity?

 

[tres borrachos]

You seem to have a problem following that discussion. It was made clear that SOP for doctors offices is to verify coverage the first time a new patient walks in. They usually don't, but can if they choose to, verify coverage every time a patient come into their office

Most providers don't verify coverage on the first visit. They take your card, make a copy of it, and they make you sign a promise to pay whatever insurance doesn't cover.

 

[tres borrachos]

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | Harvard Gazette

Dying from Lack of Insurance

 

[sangha]

Most providers don't verify coverage on the first visit. They take your card, make a copy of it, and they make you sign a promise to pay whatever insurance doesn't cover.

Wrong

They call the insurer and verify coverage.

If they don't do that, then how do you think they know how much of a co-pay to collect?

Or do you think the doctor just guesses what your co-pay is?

 

[tres borrachos]

And from your link:

The researchers analyzed U.S. adults under age 65 who participated in the annual National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) between 1986 and 1994. Respondents first answered detailed questions about their socioeconomic status and health and were then examined by physicians. The CDC tracked study participants to see who died by 2000.

The study found a 40 percent increased risk of death among the uninsured. As expected, death rates were also higher for males (37 percent increase), current or former smokers (102 percent and 42 percent increases), people who said that their health was fair or poor (126 percent increase), and those who examining physicians said were in fair or poor health (222 percent increase).



Between 1986 and 1994 and who had died by 2000.