GOP increasingly balks at calling Jan. 6 an insurrection

[CaughtInThe]

And another in a line of irrelevant posts.

1/6 was, by definition, an insurrection.

Whataboutism and derailing are pathetic attempts to avoid that fact.

It teaches us about the posters though.

 

[Athanasius68]

You are assuming that those who took a plea deal are the top of any conspirasay. They may very well be minions too. Facts are neither us has a clue and are both only expressing uninformed opinions.

True-- but either way they are not pleading guilty to any role in an insurrection.
So that would still need to be proved against the other person. Whereas such a plea is evidence against that other person.

 

[Athanasius68]

All that typing has zero to do with the fact that the definition of Insurrection fits what happened on 1/6.

Calling it a ministerial act does not change the fact that it it required by law and mandated to occur the 6th of January.

It is part of the election process.

Charges of Obstructing Congress are indeed fitting in this insurrection.

Yes-- and there are people being charged with obstructing the work of Congress.
As it should be.
No insurrection.

 

[mrjurrs]

It was a riot.
If the votes weren't counted that day, they would have been counted a different day.

The votes are counted that day (or the next) by law. The insurrection (noun, a violent uprising against an authority or government) was an attempt to prevent that count from taking place.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes-- and there are people being charged with obstructing the work of Congress.
As it should be.
No insurrection.

Yes, it was.

Insurrection

Noun

a violent uprising against an authority or government.

It was violent.

It was against an authority or government.

 

[reflechissez]

That isn't how it generally works. If the feds have him on sedition, then you have him plead guilty to sedition under the terms that he says who and what the others guys did in the sedition.
That confession is evidence against the other guys.
Then you give a reduced sentence etc.

I hope you're not a lawyer.

 

[Athanasius68]

The votes are counted that day (or the next) by law. The insurrection (noun, a violent uprising against an authority or government) was an attempt to prevent that count from taking place.

So we have obstruction of Congress.
Not an insurrection.

 

[Napoleon]

An insurrection is a violent uprising against an authority or government.

It was violent. Small amounts of violence and clashing with police are not uncommon in protests

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Police union: Over 140 officers injured in Capitol siege

Police union: Over 140 officers injured in Capitol siege

“The officers are angry, and I don’t blame them,” said the Capitol Police union chairman

www.police1.com

In other words it was violent.

It was an uprising. No. You cannot make that word stretch far enough.

What stretch? Did they or did they not attack Congress?

It was against the branch of the government confirming President Biden's election win. Also typical of protests

What is not typical is attacking Congress. You do know they attacked Congress. Right? And they attacked Congress trying to stop the certification of the election. Also something that doesn't happen in mere protests.

Game, set, match. Insurrection. Assuming your conclusion is a logical fallacy.

Incorrect.

Interesting that no one calls the Trump Inauguration Day riots an insurrection.

 

[Fledermaus]

All the electoral ballots were certified by their respective states; Biden was president elect in December.
That's the election process.

No, no, no....

3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress​

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer....

3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

www.law.cornell.edu

Why do you insist on being WRONG?

 

[Fledermaus]

Interesting that no one calls the Trump Inauguration Day riots an insurrection.

Irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[Napoleon]

Irrelevant to this discussion.

No it isnt. You just need to be consistent in your application of definitions.

 

[Fledermaus]

So we have obstruction of Congress.
Not an insurrection.

Insurrection

Noun

a violent uprising against an authority or government.

It was violent.

It was against an authority or government.

 

[Fledermaus]

No it isnt. You just need to be consistent in your application of definitions.

Did it happen on 1/6?

No?

Irrelevant.

I am VERY consistent on this.

 

[CaughtInThe]

So we have obstruction of Congress.
Not an insurrection.

I have to give the insurrection apologists and deniers an "A" for effort.

 

[Fledermaus]

I have to give the insurrection apologists and deniers an "A" for effort.

And a D for denial.

And an I for ignorance.

 

[Napoleon]

Did it happen on 1/6?

No?

Irrelevant.

I am VERY consistent on this.

So you agree that the Trump Inauguration Day riots were an insurrection?

 

[CaughtInThe]

For those of us who were around during Watergate we can still remember all the downplaying then too.

History gonna be really bad for a traitor/crook/instigator named Trump.

 

[Razoo]

Try domestic terrorism with insurrection over tones

There is way too much interference coming from right wing think tanks and the GOP regarding bringing charges ASAP.

I'm hoping a slight delay of charges forthcoming based on what we saw on camera is because of wanting a tight case for grand jury indictments.

 

[Fledermaus]

So you agree that the Trump Inauguration Day riots were an insurrection?

Where did I say that?

Post number?

 

[Napoleon]

Where did I say that?

Post number?

You posted the definition and it meets that definition.

 

[Fledermaus]

You posted the definition and it meets that definition.

I don't care as this thread is about the insurrection of 1/6.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

A Lawyer For Jan. 6 Defendants Is Giving Her Clients Remedial Lessons In American History

D.C. attorney H. Heather Shaner says that books and movies about the uglier parts of American history are "a revelation" for some of her Capitol attack c...

www.huffpost.com

Shaner said her clients had poor educations and knew very little about the country. Her two female clients took to the task with zeal, Shaner said, and got library cards for the first time in their lives.
“Both my women are like, ‘I never learned this in school. Why don’t I know about this?’” Shaner said. (A couple of the male clients weren’t quite as eager students, she said. “The men are very much like ‘Oh, I’ll get to it.’” But she said some of her male clients have been doing some self-education.)

 

[CaughtInThe]

A Lawyer For Jan. 6 Defendants Is Giving Her Clients Remedial Lessons In American History

D.C. attorney H. Heather Shaner says that books and movies about the uglier parts of American history are "a revelation" for some of her Capitol attack c...

www.huffpost.com

Shaner said her clients had poor educations and knew very little about the country. Her two female clients took to the task with zeal, Shaner said, and got library cards for the first time in their lives.
“Both my women are like, ‘I never learned this in school. Why don’t I know about this?’” Shaner said. (A couple of the male clients weren’t quite as eager students, she said. “The men are very much like ‘Oh, I’ll get to it.’” But she said some of her male clients have been doing some self-education.)

Wow

 

[Chase Morgan]

A Lawyer For Jan. 6 Defendants Is Giving Her Clients Remedial Lessons In American History

D.C. attorney H. Heather Shaner says that books and movies about the uglier parts of American history are "a revelation" for some of her Capitol attack c...

www.huffpost.com

Shaner said her clients had poor educations and knew very little about the country. Her two female clients took to the task with zeal, Shaner said, and got library cards for the first time in their lives.
“Both my women are like, ‘I never learned this in school. Why don’t I know about this?’” Shaner said. (A couple of the male clients weren’t quite as eager students, she said. “The men are very much like ‘Oh, I’ll get to it.’” But she said some of her male clients have been doing some self-education.)

In other words, typical members of the GQP base...

 

[Helix]

well, shit. we're down to number three. if we make it to number one (which we did for a minute briefly before we dropped to number six,) i'll drive you all to Dairy Queen in the back of a pickup truck. we'll chant "we're number one" and then get shakes. now get out there and show me some hustle.