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GOP increasingly balks at calling Jan. 6 an insurrection

Deuce said:
And an angry mob inside the chambers of Congress with members still present is far, far more serious than an angry mob inside a Target.
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And people have been arrested and are being charged for that.
 
Athanasius68 said:
No, but since the US Code referenced concerns issues of the lawfullness of the certified ballots submitted by the states, the point is not germane.
There were no disputed electoral votes sent to DC; the states had certified them all.
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You once again ignore the fact a procedure is mandatory per the USC.

That procedure is what insurrectionists tried to stop.

Why are you working so hard at being wrong?
 
Fledermaus said:
You once again ignore the fact a procedure is mandatory per the USC.

That procedure is what insurrectionists tried to stop.

Why are you working so hard at being wrong?
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I believe there are charges being made against some for obstruction of Congress.
But obstructing Congress is not insurrection.
 
jnug said:
YUP....many of them are, proven by their coddling and cuddling of Vladimir Putin, their succumbing to Trump's cult of personality and their inability to resist being driven to extreme fear and subsequent violence by those that would use them....like Tucker Carlson for example.

I am not off topic discussing Durham because much of this thread has been devoted to Federal Prosecution which means DOJ. My point being that the Trump/Barr DOJ is being washed from the gutter where it was into the sewer where it belongs. Thus we can expect Federal Prosecutors to act like Federal Prosecutors again. In other words, not like political vessels for IDIOTS like Fat Donald and his ponderous buddy, Bill Barr.

Again the argument that our entire take on 1/6 should rely on what Prosecutions are brought and what convictions achieved is laughably naive.

You want to act like you want to actually have a shot at finding facts, stop blocking the 1/6 Independent Commission. If you are not willing to do that, SHUT UP with the ANTIFA, FBI nonsense.
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I see very few conservatives arguing for Putin, I see a lot of Democrats arguing they are without any evidence. So bullshit on that opener.

Oh, you mean like falsifying documents then lying about investigating anyway. The DOJ was politicized long before Trump arrived.

Most Americans do not see it as an insurrection which is why you and others like you are so desperate to say it over and over.

Last, you don't get to tell me or anyone else to shut up on this site.
 
Da Mole said:
Sorry, but it was not an insurrection. Using the left"s rhetoric and descriptive versions of all previous Liberal supported mayhem, it was "A MOSTLY PEACEFUL PROTEST"
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insurrection, noun, a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Care to try again?
 
Deuce said:
Coup attempts need to be taken very seriously, otherwise they'll try again.

These folks were seconds from breaching the chambers of congress. They were going to kill people. They were an angry mob. That's what angry mobs do. In large numbers, all fired up like that? People turn into absolute monsters. There are countless historical cases. That, in of itself, is reason enough to throw the book at them. AND at every member of Congress who was trying to help or encourage these people.

If they try again, I hope the machine guns come out. Our republic has to defend itself. And you know what? I would have said the same if it were liberals trying to throw an election away from Trump. If you change the outcome of a presidential election, we're not a republic anymore.
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Histrionics is all you have, because the double standards are so clear even to those holding them. Thus, "angry mob" of "monsters" or we're "not a republic."

The general incoherent noise coming from the left: '

"We must protect the sacred heart of democracy that is rooted in white supremacy and must be dismantled."

What do you think of this stuff? Or the collusion between Big Tech and Big Science to squash alternative voices?
 
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Cope said:
Can you please quote the (your) definition of "Insurrection" for us so that we can debate that?
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People already have. Read the thread. I'm not your Cliffs Notes.
 
Athanasius68 said:
I believe there are charges being made against some for obstruction of Congress.
But obstructing Congress is not insurrection.
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Fledermaus said:
Insurrection is what occurred.
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It's great to debate points of view and perspective but that doesn't answer the question about an insurrection. What we are seeing play out in the DOJ is only what they choose to let us see. I don't think for a moment that these arrests are the end of the story but just the beginning. Then again, my perspective like everyone else is just my perspective. However, I do think Merrick Garland's perspective has real weight. Here is what he said at his confirmation hearings. There is much we don't know, in fact, more than we do know except the DOJ is working its way up the food chain.

"He called the attack on the Capitol the most "heinous attack on a democratic process" that he's ever seen and said that he will pursue all leads in the investigation.

"We begin with the people on the ground and we work our way up to those who are involved and further involved and we will pursue these leads, wherever they take us," he said."
 
Callen said:
It's great to debate points of view and perspective but that doesn't answer the question about an insurrection. What we are seeing play out in the DOJ is only what they choose to let us see. I don't think for a moment that these arrests are the end of the story but just the beginning. Then again, my perspective like everyone else is just my perspective. However, I do think Merrick Garland's perspective has real weight. Here is what he said at his confirmation hearings. There is much we don't know, in fact, more than we do know except the DOJ is working its way up the food chain.

"He called the attack on the Capitol the most "heinous attack on a democratic process" that he's ever seen and said that he will pursue all leads in the investigation.

"We begin with the people on the ground and we work our way up to those who are involved and further involved and we will pursue these leads, wherever they take us," he said."
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The dictionary definition fits.

Period.
 
Helix said:
People already have. Read the thread. I'm not your Cliffs Notes.
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Yes, they have but it's YOUR thread. If you have no desire to do so then that is fine. I will just say that there was no insurrection. No attempt at overthrowing a government.
 
Cope said:
Yes, they have but it's YOUR thread. If you have no desire to do so then that is fine. I will just say that there was no insurrection. No attempt at overthrowing a government.
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Does the dictionary definition say anything about "overthrowing the government"?

Not the ones I have referred to.

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mrjurrs said:
insurrection, noun, a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Care to try again?
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By all accounts, the thinking was that Congress had the authority to 'certify' that Biden was president, and they had wanted Congress to kick the 'disputed' electors back to the respective states in order for them to reconsider their votes.
Such beliefs are factually wrong (Congress does not 'certify' a presidential election and almost certainly there is no provision in relevant state law to rescind its certified electoral vote), and politically absurd (as if elected state legislatures-- some controlled by Democrats-- would entertain such an idea).
In other words, no demands to overthrow the system-- instead demands for the system to work in a certain way.
Insurrection is not the correct term.
 
Fledermaus said:
Does the dictionary definition say anything about "overthrowing the government"?

Not the ones I have referred to.
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a violent uprising against an authority or government.
"the insurrection was savagely put down"
That was the first one I found. Rebellion, revolt, etc

You know what else fits that definition? ANY violent act that occurs during any protest, or riot.
 
Callen said:
It's great to debate points of view and perspective but that doesn't answer the question about an insurrection. What we are seeing play out in the DOJ is only what they choose to let us see. I
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True-- but what they are letting us see doesn't seem to support the theory there is more there there
Callen said:
don't think for a moment that these arrests are the end of the story but just the beginning. Then again, my perspective like everyone else is just my perspective. However, I do think Merrick Garland's perspective has real weight. Here is what he said at his confirmation hearings. There is much we don't know, in fact, more than we do know except the DOJ is working its way up the food chain.

"He called the attack on the Capitol the most "heinous attack on a democratic process" that he's ever seen and said that he will pursue all leads in the investigation.

"We begin with the people on the ground and we work our way up to those who are involved and further involved and we will pursue these leads, wherever they take us," he said."
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Cope said:
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
"the insurrection was savagely put down"
That was the first one I found. Rebellion, revolt, etc

You know what else fits that definition? ANY violent act that occurs during any protest, or riot.
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Insurrection fits the events of 1/6

Since this thread is about the events of 1/6 your whataboutism is ignored.
 
Athanasius68 said:
By all accounts, the thinking was that Congress had the authority to 'certify' that Biden was president, and they had wanted Congress to kick the 'disputed' electors back to the respective states in order for them to reconsider their votes.
Such beliefs are factually wrong (Congress does not 'certify' a presidential election and almost certainly there is no provision in relevant state law to rescind its certified electoral vote), and politically absurd (as if elected state legislatures-- some controlled by Democrats-- would entertain such an idea).
In other words, no demands to overthrow the system-- instead demands for the system to work in a certain way.
Insurrection is not the correct term.
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Insurrection is a correct term.

Are you dizzy from spinning yet?
 
Cope said:
Yes, they have but it's YOUR thread. If you have no desire to do so then that is fine. I will just say that there was no insurrection. No attempt at overthrowing a government.
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I will say that it was an insurrection, and read the thread before asking a question that has already been answered.
 
Fledermaus said:
Insurrection fits the events of 1/6

Since this thread is about the events of 1/6 your whataboutism is ignored.
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Meaning you don't have an adequate rebuttal and to accept that you're wrong here is to accept that you've been misled about a lot of things. You're just projecting your own psychological barriers to truth.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Meaning you don't have an adequate rebuttal and to accept that you're wrong here is to accept that you've been misled about a lot of things. You're just projecting your own psychological barriers to truth.
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Meaning this thread is about the events of 1/6.

Reread the thread title. It may help.
 
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