GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination Cha

[vesper]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Good morning DP'ers

I am supporting #FreetheDelegates.

The Rules Committee will be voting on the Conscience Amendment very soon. They have enough votes to at least pass a Minority report where it will go to the floor for a vote. There are encouraging signs of growing support for it.

For example,

That WSJ piece was bad news for the Trump campaign,

"Though a majority of the convention delegates are bound to support Mr. Trump, Mr. Evans’s count shows just about 890 delegates are personally loyal to the New Yorker. Another 680 oppose Mr. Trump. That leaves 900 delegates who are presumed to be “in play,”

The following day there was the piece "leaked" to Politico that signatures from Delegates were being collected to get Cruz on nomination list at the convention. The threshold they had to meet was the majority of delegates willing to sign in support of Cruz in at least 8 states. The last tally I am aware of on the number of delegates that signed the petition is 1207. This then guaranteed Cruz a speaking slot at the convention. Now let me make something very clear. This is all the doing of the delegates. Trump had made a statement last week that if a fellow candidate did not endorse him they would not be speaking at the convention. That didn't set well with many of the delegates so they took it in their own hands to make sure Cruz had a speaking slot.

A couple hours later after the story broke at Politico, there was breaking news that Trump requested a meeting with Cruz to offer him a speaking slot at the convention. The truth is the delegates already secured a speaking slot for Cruz if he wanted it. Cruz accepted the speaking slot even though he still refused to endorse Trump. Cruz said he will take the opportunity to speak about Conservatism. Cruz has already ratcheted up his campaign for re-election to the Senate and there has been much speculation that he will run again for president in 2020. Not too long ago there was a meeting at Brett Bozell's home with over 30 prominent conservative leaders planning for such a run with lots of money ready to fill his coffers. Recently he has been out there campaigning for conservative candidates for Congress.

Free the Delegates is involved informing delegates of their right to vote their conscience. Something people need to remember and that is delegates for the most part are everyday folks. They continue to see their presumptive nominee make an ass out of himself on a daily basis. They see him continue to tank in the polls turning states that have never been considered swing states for Republicans now in the toss up column. They cringe when he speaks on policy as it is often incoherent and incompetent. Many of them feel they are headed to a knife fight armed with a plastic spoon with Trump as their nominee. They are well aware of the consequences if they elect a nominee who is already losing. And it is looking bad for down ballot races which puts the majorities in Congress into jeopardy.

Free the Delegates next conference call will be Sunday evening. I will know more then.

 

[calamity]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Good morning DP'ers

I am supporting #FreetheDelegates.

The Rules Committee will be voting on the Conscience Amendment very soon. They have enough votes to at least pass a Minority report where it will go to the floor for a vote. There are encouraging signs of growing support for it.

For example,

That WSJ piece was bad news for the Trump campaign,

"Though a majority of the convention delegates are bound to support Mr. Trump, Mr. Evans’s count shows just about 890 delegates are personally loyal to the New Yorker. Another 680 oppose Mr. Trump. That leaves 900 delegates who are presumed to be “in play,”

The following day there was the piece "leaked" to Politico that signatures from Delegates were being collected to get Cruz on nomination list at the convention. The threshold they had to meet was the majority of delegates willing to sign in support of Cruz in at least 8 states. The last tally I am aware of on the number of delegates that signed the petition is 1207. This then guaranteed Cruz a speaking slot at the convention. Now let me make something very clear. This is all the doing of the delegates. Trump had made a statement last week that if a fellow candidate did not endorse him they would not be speaking at the convention. That didn't set well with many of the delegates so they took it in their own hands to make sure Cruz had a speaking slot.

A couple hours later after the story broke at Politico, there was breaking news that Trump requested a meeting with Cruz to offer him a speaking slot at the convention. The truth is the delegates already secured a speaking slot for Cruz if he wanted it. Cruz accepted the speaking slot even though he still refused to endorse Trump. Cruz said he will take the opportunity to speak about Conservatism. Cruz has already ratcheted up his campaign for re-election to the Senate and there has been much speculation that he will run again for president in 2020. Not too long ago there was a meeting at Brett Bozell's home with over 30 prominent conservative leaders planning for such a run with lots of money ready to fill his coffers. Recently he has been out there campaigning for conservative candidates for Congress.

Free the Delegates is involved informing delegates of their right to vote their conscience. Something people need to remember and that is delegates for the most part are everyday folks. They continue to see their presumptive nominee make an ass out of himself on a daily basis. They see him continue to tank in the polls turning states that have never been considered swing states for Republicans now in the toss up column. They cringe when he speaks on policy as it is often incoherent and incompetent. Many of them feel they are headed to a knife fight armed with a plastic spoon with Trump as their nominee. They are well aware of the consequences if they elect a nominee who is already losing. And it is looking bad for down ballot races which puts the majorities in Congress into jeopardy.

Free the Delegates next conference call will be Sunday evening. I will know more then.

Yep, thinking people know Trump is a disaster for the Party, all the way down the line.

 

[vesper]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Yep, thinking people know Trump is a disaster for the Party, all the way down the line.

On the 4th, instead of parades, grilling steaks and drinking beer, I emailed every delegate on the rules committee explaining why I could not in good conscience support or vote for Donald Trump. I asked them to please reject Yue's Amendment which was put up by a delegate for Trump that would not allow any new rules pertain to the 2016 primary/election. And I asked them to support the Conscience Amendment. It took several hours to compose 218 emails but it was worth it if it helped change the mind of just one delegate. I have been getting replies some for Trump some not. Today I heard from one in Washington State who said "your voice needs to be heard".

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

I totally agree. Neither party has nominated a candidate that most Americans want to see as the next president. That why in polls that add the option will not vote, that will not vote is getting 10% or better. Throw in those who support Johnson and Stein, that another 10-15% depending on the poll. How many of the 40% that say they will vote for Clinton and 36% who say they will vote for Trump, don't like either candidate. But think one or the other will do less harm to this country than the harm done by the other. I suspect going by favorable ratings, which would be their hard core support which actually like one of these two, your talking 36% for Clinton and 32% for Trump.

Reset is too mild a word for what needs to be done with the two major parties for coming up with this bottom of the barrel dregs for us to choose from.

I still can't figure out how we got these two nominees. With both having very high negatives, who in the hell voted for either one?

 

[SDET]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

If they pull that **** they only guarantee their defeat in the election.

I think that is a correct analysis. I like the Senate GOP's approach. They are running as skeptics of both Hillary and Trump. If you want a "check" on either one of them, vote for a GOP Senator.

 

[SDET]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

I still can't figure out how we got these two nominees. With both having very high negatives, who in the hell voted for either one?

I think it's God giving the nation over to it's own immorality.

 

[Perotista]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

I still can't figure out how we got these two nominees. With both having very high negatives, who in the hell voted for either one?

Clinton was annotated as the Democrat's nominee back in a meeting between Obama and the Clinton's before the 2012 election. Since then the DNC has done everything within their power to ensure Clinton became the nominee. Heck, Clinton had 30 super delegates pledged to her before the year turned to 2013. Call her nomination a back room deal.

Trump, I suppose nominating him was more of a statement by the discontents within the GOP. Trump showed a fighting spirit that Republicans in congress didn't. His supporters viewed the Republican congress as rolling over and allowing Obama and the Democrats to get everything they wanted. Still one has to remember that 40% of all the Republican vote in the primaries went to Trump. 60% wanted someone else. Trump managed to win primary after primary with 35% of the vote due to the large field and the unwillingness of the Republicans who opposed him to settle on a candidate. So in the end, Trump was the nominee. According to Gallup the Republican base makes up 27% of the electorate, so Trump won 40% of that 27% and is now a major party nominee. Trump also had the highest negatives of any Republican candidate, but when those who viewed him in the negative are splitting their votes between three, four or five candidates, one can win with a plurality.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

This is one of those rare presidential elections where a viable third party candidate would probably have a shot. However it would have to be a populist candidate who is more along the lines of what the founding fathers intended. The Green party and the Libertarian party need not apply.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

I think it's God giving the nation over to it's own immorality.

Maybe he's getting bored with running the universe for so long and just wanted a good laugh.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

This is one of those rare presidential elections where a viable third party candidate would probably have a shot. However it would have to be a populist candidate who is more along the lines of what the founding fathers intended. The Green party and the Libertarian party need not apply.

I like the word "viable". No point in running someone that has no chance.

 

[Donc]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

This is one of those rare presidential elections where a viable third party candidate would probably have a shot. However it would have to be a populist candidate who is more along the lines of what the founding fathers intended. The Green party and the Libertarian party need not apply.

DAMN!!!I gotta give you a thanks.SAD DAY indeed.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

As an old Perot supporter, I refuse to believe that the only choice we have is between which candidate will be less harmful than the other to this great country. There may not have been a better qualified person than Nixon to become president. Congressman, Senator, Vice President, he had all the credentials. But losing to JFK in 1960 and then to Jerry Brown in 1962 really created his very dark side. Domestically Nixon accomplished quite a lot. Without Watergate, Nixon might have been in the top 10 presidents of all time. But that is ancient history to most. What ifs just don't count.

I have no use for either Trump or Clinton. I'll not vote for either. We can do better. That is if we have the will, which I think we don't. Voting for someone just because they will be less harmful to this nation than the other, for me that isn't good enough. I will vote for someone whom I think will make a good president, even if the propaganda from the two major parties say that my vote is a wasted vote because he can't win. So isn't voting for the least harmful major party candidate a wasted for too. After all one is voting with the knowledge that they are voting for a candidate that they know will be harmful to this country. It is all a matter of degree.

To win over Sanders supporters Clinton also has picked up this anti-free trade agenda.

It is indeed a sad state of affairs, one which this country went through in the 90's. It was government by default with the two most populace provinces doing well but the west getting screwed.

Early on a "radical" party was formed, radical in that it challenged the status quo of a conservative, liberal and socialist party. The Reform Party of Canada threw away the labels and adopted a "common sense" platform under the best prime minister this country never had. We started as a bunch of misfits, I had just left journalism and was interested the inside. It took ten years, but Preston Manning managed to become opposition leader.

They never had power, but they saw the 2008 melt down coming in 1999, and forced the government and Bank of Canada to increase regulations. They also forced the other parties to actually take on stand on western "interests", as Manning never left out the possibility of pulling the three western provinces out of confederation as Quebec like to threaten. They also forced the government to take on the debt and deficit. From 1998 through 2004 Canadians paid some serious dues as the Liberals stripped medicare and most all other social programs. It was harsher than in needed to be, but when the crash hit we were well into surpluses. One reason why now deliberately going into a $30 billion deficit is such a joke. We'd worry at $100 billion maybe.

In the end, the Reform party got taken over by dis enfranchised Conservatives and chose a pretty face, who eventually gave rise to Stephen Harper, robot prime minister.

If there is a lesson in there it is don't be fooled by pretty faces, or anything that looks too good to be true. What looked like feast in November can turn out to be a turkey in February. The other lesson, and one I have been preaching for years, you CAN change the system. We did it. But, like Mr. Peron and others have proven is that you can't start at the top. You have to start at the proverbial grass roots, start getting elected to school boards and town councils.

Lastly, look north at what happened in Canada last fall. A decade of conservative rule and leading in the polls in April, against a rookie "child of the love generation" who had never been elected to anything. The Liberals bypassed the socialist NDP by making a severe 180 degree turn to the left. But what put them in office? An absence of negative attack ads. They hammered at the government's record etc., but stayed positive. Meanwhile the conservatives kept hammering at Trudeau on pot legalization like it was gang rape. They talked themselves out of a sure thing.

I know our cultures are different, but if this is not a threshold of change, with a whack job like Trump or whatever the **** Clinton is, then I am afraid you are doomed. This has to be where common sense "radicals' step in and take over the sand box.

 

[Perotista]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

It is indeed a sad state of affairs, one which this country went through in the 90's. It was government by default with the two most populace provinces doing well but the west getting screwed.

Early on a "radical" party was formed, radical in that it challenged the status quo of a conservative, liberal and socialist party. The Reform Party of Canada threw away the labels and adopted a "common sense" platform under the best prime minister this country never had. We started as a bunch of misfits, I had just left journalism and was interested the inside. It took ten years, but Preston Manning managed to become opposition leader.

They never had power, but they saw the 2008 melt down coming in 1999, and forced the government and Bank of Canada to increase regulations. They also forced the other parties to actually take on stand on western "interests", as Manning never left out the possibility of pulling the three western provinces out of confederation as Quebec like to threaten. They also forced the government to take on the debt and deficit. From 1998 through 2004 Canadians paid some serious dues as the Liberals stripped medicare and most all other social programs. It was harsher than in needed to be, but when the crash hit we were well into surpluses. One reason why now deliberately going into a $30 billion deficit is such a joke. We'd worry at $100 billion maybe.

In the end, the Reform party got taken over by dis enfranchised Conservatives and chose a pretty face, who eventually gave rise to Stephen Harper, robot prime minister.

If there is a lesson in there it is don't be fooled by pretty faces, or anything that looks too good to be true. What looked like feast in November can turn out to be a turkey in February. The other lesson, and one I have been preaching for years, you CAN change the system. We did it. But, like Mr. Peron and others have proven is that you can't start at the top. You have to start at the proverbial grass roots, start getting elected to school boards and town councils.

Lastly, look north at what happened in Canada last fall. A decade of conservative rule and leading in the polls in April, against a rookie "child of the love generation" who had never been elected to anything. The Liberals bypassed the socialist NDP by making a severe 180 degree turn to the left. But what put them in office? An absence of negative attack ads. They hammered at the government's record etc., but stayed positive. Meanwhile the conservatives kept hammering at Trudeau on pot legalization like it was gang rape. They talked themselves out of a sure thing.

I know our cultures are different, but if this is not a threshold of change, with a whack job like Trump or whatever the **** Clinton is, then I am afraid you are doomed. This has to be where common sense "radicals' step in and take over the sand box.

With Perot he kept hammering about our debt. Of course he lost both elections, but our budget came as close to being balanced since Eisenhower in Clinton's last year. IKE actually had two years of surplus where our debt went down. The last president where that happened. I agree that reform, change, perhaps a viable third party has to start at the grass roots, bottom up instead of top down. It seems every third party always tries for the White House when they should be concentrating on election state legislatures, mayors and county commission members. One can branch out or upwards after getting representations in the states.

The problem is we Americans always want things done in a hurry. It seems taking time to establish a party's base in each of the states before moving national, they think takes too much time. But that is the only way it will work. We need to copy your experience. Perhaps the old adage, one step at a time applies.

Yeah, its a sad thing but our election campaigns have become nothing but mud slinging contests. Ideas, solutions, visions where one want to take this country, no longer apply. You see that in this election, a 5th grade school yard bully, who threatens and calls people names against a dishonest, lying, corrupt, egotistical, power hungry person. I think most Americans know this, but won't admit it. They would rather swallow the poison, Arsenic Trump or Cyanide Hillary because all they care about is the R or the D next to their names than look for and vote for a sane, statesman, leader, one who has ideas, solutions to our problems and a vision. But that would mean voting for someone who isn't a R or a D and that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

With Perot he kept hammering about our debt. Of course he lost both elections, but our budget came as close to being balanced since Eisenhower in Clinton's last year. IKE actually had two years of surplus where our debt went down. The last president where that happened. I agree that reform, change, perhaps a viable third party has to start at the grass roots, bottom up instead of top down. It seems every third party always tries for the White House when they should be concentrating on election state legislatures, mayors and county commission members. One can branch out or upwards after getting representations in the states.

The problem is we Americans always want things done in a hurry. It seems taking time to establish a party's base in each of the states before moving national, they think takes too much time. But that is the only way it will work. We need to copy your experience. Perhaps the old adage, one step at a time applies.

Yeah, its a sad thing but our election campaigns have become nothing but mud slinging contests. Ideas, solutions, visions where one want to take this country, no longer apply. You see that in this election, a 5th grade school yard bully, who threatens and calls people names against a dishonest, lying, corrupt, egotistical, power hungry person. I think most Americans know this, but won't admit it. They would rather swallow the poison, Arsenic Trump or Cyanide Hillary because all they care about is the R or the D next to their names than look for and vote for a sane, statesman, leader, one who has ideas, solutions to our problems and a vision. But that would mean voting for someone who isn't a R or a D and that ain't gonna happen.

Never realized that Perot might have had something to do with that. I had never considered that.

 

[Perotista]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Never realized that Perot might have had something to do with that. I had never considered that.

That was his big thing. The ever rising debt was his and the Reform Party's number one issue. Some would say it was his only issue. The Reform Party never took a stance on social issues, believing that each individual should make up their own minds on such things as abortion etc.

As what happens so often, after 1992 the two major parties both started talking about the debt and trying to do something about. Perot received 19% of the vote in 92, both parties realized that was plenty enough to swing an election one way or the other.

 

[SailaWay]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Its possible that trump will be the main advisor and pick Mike Huckabee as the nominee.. why would he want to spend 4 to 8 years living in the white house and pay far below his own pay and away from his interests... as long as he can make the party carry out his agenda then he may compromise.... wall built quickly... wisdom test for voters....and pay him back all the money he spent and stopping unfair trade..

 

[SailaWay]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Never realized that Perot might have had something to do with that. I had never considered that.

Perot hammered about nafta and gatt and the debt...

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

That was his big thing. The ever rising debt was his and the Reform Party's number one issue. Some would say it was his only issue. The Reform Party never took a stance on social issues, believing that each individual should make up their own minds on such things as abortion etc.

As what happens so often, after 1992 the two major parties both started talking about the debt and trying to do something about. Perot received 19% of the vote in 92, both parties realized that was plenty enough to swing an election one way or the other.

I remember that with all his charts and graphs. It just never occurred to me that after not winning a single electoral vote that he actually influenced the issue.

 

[vesper]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Last night was the final conference call for Free the Delegates.

It has been confirmed that within the Rules Committee there are more than enough votes for its passage of Conscience Amendment producing at least a Minority Report to be voted on the floor.

Now this amendment is not a rules change but a confirmation that delegates already possess the right to vote their conscience.

We heard from the delegate in Virginia who filed a class action suit in federal court in regard to state rules forcing binding of delegates as unconstitutional. The judge will rule this week and he is very hopeful of the outcome. This will effect approx. 20 other states as well.

After the meeting, delegates started talking among themselves and not muting their call. It was clear they haven't coalesced around just one candidate to replace Trump.

Some find that a problem. I do not. The goal is to deny Trump 1237 on the first ballot. Whichever candidate shows the greatest gains will naturally be the one the delegates begin to coalesce around on the second, third however many it takes for one to reach the 1237.

 

[Kobie]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Its possible that trump will be the main advisor and pick Mike Huckabee as the nominee.. why would he want to spend 4 to 8 years living in the white house and pay far below his own pay and away from his interests... as long as he can make the party carry out his agenda then he may compromise.... wall built quickly... wisdom test for voters....and pay him back all the money he spent and stopping unfair trade..

Ah yes, the "wisdom test for voters" you keep yammering on about that will never happen.

 

[calamity]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Last night was the final conference call for Free the Delegates.

It has been confirmed that within the Rules Committee there are more than enough votes for its passage of Conscience Amendment producing at least a Minority Report to be voted on the floor.

Now this amendment is not a rules change but a confirmation that delegates already possess the right to vote their conscience.

We heard from the delegate in Virginia who filed a class action suit in federal court in regard to state rules forcing binding of delegates as unconstitutional. The judge will rule this week and he is very hopeful of the outcome. This will effect approx. 20 other states as well.

After the meeting, delegates started talking among themselves and not muting their call. It was clear they haven't coalesced around just one candidate to replace Trump.

Some find that a problem. I do not. The goal is to deny Trump 1237 on the first ballot. Whichever candidate shows the greatest gains will naturally be the one the delegates begin to coalesce around on the second, third however many it takes for one to reach the 1237.

Next week is going to be very interesting.

 

[SailaWay]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Ah yes, the "wisdom test for voters" you keep yammering on about that will never happen.

THAT is coming one way or the other.....a wisdom test for voters ..... the nation can do it the easy way or the very hard way.. but it is COMING.. the dominoes world wide is falling to make this happen...

IT seems china is already doing this... their wise brings in many who they think are wise and shows wisdom and looks like may give a written test to see just how wise they are.. and then put them in power positions

They have copied america's wise founders who also used a type test to find the most wise from the ones they saw had wisdom ... the others they saw thru life and history as not wise enough to vote.... looks like china has done the same

 

[SDET]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

It is indeed a sad state of affairs, one which this country went through in the 90's. It was government by default with the two most populace provinces doing well but the west getting screwed.

Early on a "radical" party was formed, radical in that it challenged the status quo of a conservative, liberal and socialist party. The Reform Party of Canada threw away the labels and adopted a "common sense" platform under the best prime minister this country never had. We started as a bunch of misfits, I had just left journalism and was interested the inside. It took ten years, but Preston Manning managed to become opposition leader.

They never had power, but they saw the 2008 melt down coming in 1999, and forced the government and Bank of Canada to increase regulations. They also forced the other parties to actually take on stand on western "interests", as Manning never left out the possibility of pulling the three western provinces out of confederation as Quebec like to threaten. They also forced the government to take on the debt and deficit. From 1998 through 2004 Canadians paid some serious dues as the Liberals stripped medicare and most all other social programs. It was harsher than in needed to be, but when the crash hit we were well into surpluses. One reason why now deliberately going into a $30 billion deficit is such a joke. We'd worry at $100 billion maybe.

In the end, the Reform party got taken over by dis enfranchised Conservatives and chose a pretty face, who eventually gave rise to Stephen Harper, robot prime minister.

If there is a lesson in there it is don't be fooled by pretty faces, or anything that looks too good to be true. What looked like feast in November can turn out to be a turkey in February. The other lesson, and one I have been preaching for years, you CAN change the system. We did it. But, like Mr. Peron and others have proven is that you can't start at the top. You have to start at the proverbial grass roots, start getting elected to school boards and town councils.

Lastly, look north at what happened in Canada last fall. A decade of conservative rule and leading in the polls in April, against a rookie "child of the love generation" who had never been elected to anything. The Liberals bypassed the socialist NDP by making a severe 180 degree turn to the left. But what put them in office? An absence of negative attack ads. They hammered at the government's record etc., but stayed positive. Meanwhile the conservatives kept hammering at Trudeau on pot legalization like it was gang rape. They talked themselves out of a sure thing.

I know our cultures are different, but if this is not a threshold of change, with a whack job like Trump or whatever the **** Clinton is, then I am afraid you are doomed. This has to be where common sense "radicals' step in and take over the sand box.

You're definitely full of surprises. I never imagined you would have something good to say about Preston Manning.

 

[SDET]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

Its possible that trump will be the main advisor and pick Mike Huckabee as the nominee.. why would he want to spend 4 to 8 years living in the white house and pay far below his own pay and away from his interests... as long as he can make the party carry out his agenda then he may compromise.... wall built quickly... wisdom test for voters....and pay him back all the money he spent and stopping unfair trade..

Mike Huckabee? Some people called Cruz a factional candidate, Huckabee is even more so.

 

[Perotista]

Re: GOP Close To Dumping Trump As Coup Plotters Near Votes Needed To Cause Nomination

I remember that with all his charts and graphs. It just never occurred to me that after not winning a single electoral vote that he actually influenced the issue.

LOl, yeah. The influence was there. I can remember after 1992 election we formed United We Stand America organization. Although political, it wasn't tied to any party. Perot was still our leader, but you would be surprised how many times we were approached by both major parties asking us what we thought about this issue or that issue or asking for our support for this piece of legislation or another. Those was kind of heady days.

But in 1995 when we formed the Reform Party and disbanded United We Stand, America, that all stopped. We had just become just another third political party instead of an organization that could influence what was happening.