GOP Attack on Education

[ThePlayDrive]

Then get out, start your own teaching company and stop complaining that you have it bad.
You no longer get to mug the taxpayer because you think life is not fair. Life is not fair.

I think you're mixing complaining up with explaining. Pointing out the difficulties and peculiarities of a job (particularly in response to someone who insists they don't exist) does not equal complaining. The fact that she pointed out that your job couldn't just be done by anybody either should have been a clue that this was an explanation rather than a complaint. People can love their jobs while also recognizing their difficulty.

 

[RamFel]

El Cid your not alone, theres alot of long time republicans that feel just like you do. This new far right Gop is not for them.

Public employees have been vilified by teaparty govs. Walker, Scott, Christie, and others...they are overpaid. Thats not only teachers but all public employees.
If they were just attackind the unions as the very conservatives "CLAIM" I may very well have supported them and understood their reasoning, but they are attacking the workers in every aspect of their employment. The claim public workers are overpaid and Ceo's dont make enough.
While public workers who are middle class are being attacked by new teaparty govs....ryan and company on the federal level wants to inflict more pain on the middle class.
What does Ryan and all the teaparty govs have in common ? While attacking public workers and the middleclass they ALL gave tax cuts to the richest americans and corporations.
Theres more than just you and I El Cid that are not devout republicans anymore....I wont say I wont vote republican. I will say they can no longer depend on my undying support and my vote will depend on the exact same thing the teaparty vote depends on...they want what they want when they want it and they wont compromise...Ok then neither will I.

Sounds like fiscal responsibility to me!

 

[ElCid]

Which is why I'm asking ElCid what it is that he's so busy with at night. I'm curious.

Ha, ha. Could I say ANYTHING that would change your mind? I doubt it.:fueltofir

 

[ElCid]

Probably because people see the teaching profession as having a LOT of vacations (and there are a lot) and great benefits, so they don't see it as being all that difficult. And I agree with them, actually. Most years just fly by .... easy as pie. I can't believe I'm getting paid to do something that is so much fun. Now, of course, there are those years where I want to tear my hair out everyday and cry myself to sleep every night, but those are few and far between.

You need to feel the pain of hateful Administration, parents and kids. That might wake you up.

 

[Josie]

You need to feel the pain of hateful Administration, parents and kids. That might wake you up.

Um....I have had a taste of really awful admin (not hateful, just lazy), really mean parents who don't give a flying crap and kids as well.

 

[Josie]

Ha, ha. Could I say ANYTHING that would change your mind? I doubt it.:fueltofir

I am honestly asking because I can't think of what you'd need to do every single night at home for your job.

 

[Misterveritis]

I think you're mixing complaining up with explaining. Pointing out the difficulties and peculiarities of a job (particularly in response to someone who insists they don't exist) does not equal complaining. The fact that she pointed out that your job couldn't just be done by anybody either should have been a clue that this was an explanation rather than a complaint. People can love their jobs while also recognizing their difficulty.

Fine. It is still just a job.

 

[ElCid]

I am honestly asking because I can't think of what you'd need to do every single night at home for your job.

I teach, daily, 140 kids. If I did HALF of what my insane District/Campus demands, I would never sleep.

 

[Misterveritis]

I teach, daily, 140 kids. If I did HALF of what my insane District/Campus demands, I would never sleep.

You can quit. There are plenty of good jobs out there for everyone to seek. The one term president Obama and members of his regime keep telling me that this is so. So it must be.

 

[ElCid]

Fine. It is still just a job.

I'm working hard to arrive at your vantage-point, 'Bama. In fact, THIS year will be first, during which I will remind myself frequently that my job is just that -- a job. My idealism is packed away somewhere in the attic, for good.

 

[ElCid]

You can quit. There are plenty of good jobs out there for everyone to seek. The one term president Obama and members of his regime keep telling me that this is so. So it must be.

I don't quit. I get even.

 

[Josie]

I teach, daily, 140 kids. If I did HALF of what my insane District/Campus demands, I would never sleep.

That's what I'm asking....what do they demand? And what is the half that you do?

 

[ElCid]

That's what I'm asking....what do they demand? And what is the half that you do?

They demand the impossible, to cover their shiney butts. At any moment, ANY and EVERY teacher on campus is wildly out of compliance with their myriad rules, regulations, policies, directives, etc., etc. It's impossible to be in full compliance - physically impossible. It's a management style called, "Gotchya." Whenever they want to 'get you', they 'gotchya'. An Army JAG officer once told us, during Staff Officer training, "Show me the soldier, and I'll tell you what regulation he has broken." That's my world.

 

[Josie]

They demand the impossible, to cover their shiney butts. At any moment, ANY and EVERY teacher on campus is wildly out of compliance with their myriad rules, regulations, policies, directives, etc., etc. It's impossible to be in full compliance - physically impossible. It's a management style called, "Gotchya." Whenever they want to 'get you', they 'gotchya'. An Army JAG officer once told us, during Staff Officer training, "Show me the soldier, and I'll tell you what regulation he has broken." That's my world.

Okay, but what is it that you are busy with every night at home?

 

[Layla_Z]

Sorry, but I call BS here. The teachers I know and have worked with mostly get everything done within the school day. There are planning periods, lunch and recess time to get things done.

My experience is elementary school. Grading tests is super quick and setting up for the next day can be done in about 15 minutes. Lesson plans should come easy to write since you just follow what's laid out for you in the basal reading series and other textbooks. Lesson planning would be once a week or once every two weeks. You might have a meeting or two after school, but that's maybe a few times a year.

Now I can see how an English teacher who just had 100 essays turned in would have some work to do, but that wouldn't be every night or even every week. Many schools have Scantron tests where the teachers just have to put the tests into a grading system and it grades it for them. I could see how a high school teacher with 100 non-Scantron tests would have some work to do, but again that wouldn't be every night.

ElCid, are you high school? College? Can you explain what all this work is that you do every night?

I work with many really great teachers, both elementary and secondary. Many of them work for a long time after school and others take work home. That's what good teachers do.

 

[Josie]

I work with many really great teachers, both elementary and secondary. Many of them work for a long time after school and others take work home. That's what good teachers do.

Yes, I agree. But it's not a ginormous load of work that takes hours each night. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Misterveritis]

I'm working hard to arrive at your vantage-point, 'Bama. In fact, THIS year will be first, during which I will remind myself frequently that my job is just that -- a job. My idealism is packed away somewhere in the attic, for good.

If you believe it is a calling you would not need to remind us in every post just how hard it is. If it was a calling you would be, well, called.
You are not. So you whine. You complain. You moan. You tell us that you are no longer a devout Republican.

It is just a job. Get another one. You need to.

 

[Josie]

I have to agree with Mister. If you've got to the point where it's just a paycheck for you, go be a Wal-Mart greeter or something.

 

[Layla_Z]

If my co-workers could read your opinions about my school.... LOL!

Actually I work in a horrible school. Our test scores stink, the admins are spineless when it comes to making teachers do what they should be doing, many parents are either too busy with other things to care about their child's education or they're high on meth.

Just because we have a 30 minute planning period and a recess doesn't mean we have a good school. And I can get most everything done for the next day in that 30 minute planning period. If it was taken away, I'd only need that much time at the end of the school day to plan. That would mean I would generally be done everyday by 3:30. Not bad at all, I say.

I just don't see how you can get everything that should be done, done so quickly. Many of our teachers tutor after school for at least an hour before they even begin work for the next day. The elementary doesn't have that much plan time. They do their own recess duty. I just don't know any good teachers that don't work after school or take work home.

 

[Layla_Z]

Then get out, start your own teaching company and stop complaining that you have it bad.
You no longer get to mug the taxpayer because you think life is not fair. Life is not fair.

I love my job and have no interest in doing anything else. My point is that it is not an easy job that just anyone could do. I'm not saying it's the only difficult job, I'm just tired of people saying it's easy.

 

[Layla_Z]

I am honestly asking because I can't think of what you'd need to do every single night at home for your job.

I know you didn't ask me but I'll tell you what I do.

tutor for at least an hour and some days 2
grade papers
write lesson plans
make copies
write lecture notes
parent contact (notify parents of students who are struggling)
fill out paper work required by admin(tutoring logs etc.)
before school - practices for extra curricular activities

 

[Misterveritis]

I love my job and have no interest in doing anything else. My point is that it is not an easy job that just anyone could do. I'm not saying it's the only difficult job, I'm just tired of people saying it's easy.

Okay. But if you are unhappy then push to privatize. Start your own teaching company. There is money to be made and grateful people ready to spend dollars in exchange for a real education.

 

[Layla_Z]

Okay. But if you are unhappy then push to privatize. Start your own teaching company. There is money to be made and grateful people ready to spend dollars in exchange for a real education.

I'm not unhappy with the job, I'm unhappy with clueless people who undervalue my profession. I mean really, I have no idea what you do for a living but how would you feel if I said it was an easy job that any monkey could do? Any good job should be more than just a job. Hopefully one would have pride in their work and want to do it to the best of their ability. It's difficult to keep that up while being insulted and told your job is easy and your doing it badly. I know of no other profession that deals with the issues teaching does. Does that make it the hardest job ever, of course not.

 

[sookster]

Or would could create a new educational system, instead of following one that was constructed during the 18th century. Just sayin.

 

[Misterveritis]

I'm not unhappy with the job, I'm unhappy with clueless people who undervalue my profession.

LOL. Anyone happy with his job wouldn't care what others thought about it.