• Please read the Announcement concerning missing posts from 10/8/25-10/15/25.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Good Guy with Gun Killed by Good Guy with Gun

TurtleDude said:
if increasing guns is not increasing violent crime, than your idiotic suggestion that lawful gun owners should own less guns is just that-idiotic. You want us to solve problems we don't create because you want to blame us for problems mainly caused by democrat leaning individuals living in democrat controlled areas
Click to expand...
Your gun arguments get dumber every day.
 
Hafnium1979 said:
...or, hear me out, if we put many more controls on guns in our society, registrations, tracking/tracing, stronger background checks, maybe even limits on gun ownership we will steadily reduce the relative amount of guns in our society...guns which, with large numbers, are more likely to wind up in the "wrong hands". Thereby decreasing the likelihood of yet another mass shooting!

This might explain the presence of strange alien civilizations like Japan and much of Western Europe where daily gun massacres are not such a common event.

But we all know those things are not available to us in the US so we absolutely need to get used to increased chances of dying for the bad decision of going to the grocery store or the movies.
Click to expand...

It is already illegal (a felony?) for a prohibited person (one who would fail a BGC) to possess any gun. Failure to pass the NICS BGC (lying on form 4473) is also a federal crime (felony?). Perhaps more rigorous enforcement of those existing “gun control” laws would help a great deal.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is already illegal (a felony?) for a prohibited person (one who would fail a BGC) to possess any gun. Failure to pass the NICS BGC (lying on form 4473) is also a federal crime (felony?). Perhaps more rigorous enforcement of those existing “gun control” laws would help a great deal.
Click to expand...

Agreed.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, watch your front sight

always carry spare magazines

practice constantly

be cognizant of what is behind your target
Click to expand...
I'd include - head on a swivel. Too often high stress causes tunnel vision. No way of knowing there is only one active shooter and as we plainly see the police training is engage ASAP. Be prepared to toss the weapon away and show your open hands. First part is Grunt training, second civilian world reality... ✌️
 
Artymoon said:
Trying but offering up a logical situation rarely gains traction with some in the GC forum.
Click to expand...
Is the dream of every wannabee hero to catch a bullet from a good guy?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but what is your proposed “gun control” solution?

Should the initial bad guy be left alone to accumulate more victims until the uniformed good guy(s) eventually show up?
Click to expand...
Does it make any difference what my idea of 'gun control' should be? Hell no, so why bother explaining my stance once again.
 
DebateChallenge said:
It takes a smart person to know the difference between a smart argument and a dumb argument. A smart person is not somebody you will find in the gun control crowd.
Click to expand...
well there are many smart gun banners. They just aren't honest
 
calamity said:
Is the dream of every wannabee hero to catch a bullet from a good guy?
Click to expand...
Certainly not mine. My take is this guy wanted to help. Unfortunately, he either didn't have or take the time to fully assess the situation and paid the ultimate price. That doesn't mean he was some a-hole superhero and he most certainly could have stopped the guy from moving on to somewhere else for continued mayhem. The people I know who carry just want to protect their family and themselves and if the situation allows to help someone else.
 
DebateChallenge said:
It takes a smart person to know the difference between a smart argument and a dumb argument. A smart person is not somebody you will find in the gun control crowd.
Click to expand...
Chuckle.
 
Artymoon said:
Certainly not mine. My take is this guy wanted to help....
Click to expand...
Therein lies the problem with the gun nut theory that a good guy with a gun can do some good in these situation. All it did was get this idiot killed.
 
Artymoon said:
Certainly not mine. My take is this guy wanted to help. Unfortunately, he either didn't have or take the time to fully assess the situation and paid the ultimate price. That doesn't mean he was some a-hole superhero and he most certainly could have stopped the guy from moving on to somewhere else for continued mayhem. The people I know who carry just want to protect their family and themselves and if the situation allows to help someone else.
Click to expand...
A news report I saw this evening cited the police as calling this guy a hero who probably saved several other lives
 
DebateChallenge said:
It takes a smart person to know the difference between a smart argument and a dumb argument. A smart person is not somebody you will find in the gun control crowd.
Click to expand...
So, do you still believe 9-11 happened in November?
 
calamity said:
Therein lies the problem with the gun nut theory that a good guy with a gun can do some good in these situation. All it did was get this idiot killed.
Click to expand...
You are ignoring what the police have said
 
calamity said:
Therein lies the problem with the gun nut theory that a good guy with a gun can do some good in these situation. All it did was get this idiot killed.
Click to expand...
A 'good guy' civilian with a gun can be very helpful, can also shoot innocent victims (including another 'good guy' civilian with a gun), miss the 'bad guy' with a gun, get shot by the 'bad guy' with a gun, get shot by the police or security, and get shot by another 'good guy' civilian with a gun.
 
calamity said:
Therein lies the problem with the gun nut theory that a good guy with a gun can do some good in these situation. All it did was get this idiot killed.
Click to expand...
He took out the active shooter. I don't know about yours, but in my world that is someone doing something good.
 
Artymoon said:
He took out the active shooter. I don't know about yours, but in my world that is someone doing something good.
Click to expand...
He's dead. In my world that's not good.
 
calamity said:
He's dead. In my world that's not good.
Click to expand...
I’m sure it pains you to admit that despite the outcome, a good guy with a gun stopped the threat.
 
Artymoon said:
I’m sure it pains you to admit that despite the outcome, a good guy with a gun stopped the threat.
Click to expand...
He's dead. Is that somehow a good outcome to you?
 
Artymoon said:
It’s tragic. But the fact he put himself in harms way with the intent to help makes him a hero to me. You?
Click to expand...
It just makes him another dead gun nut, tbh.

Btw: the word is “harm’s.”
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom