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good for her. old lady shoots punk kid


Actually, you need to go back to some of the earlier posted links. She states that she was hit in the chest by a brick after the police had left, and the boys had come back, in one of the earlier given links. And the boy who got shot admitted to the guy who helped him that the boys had been throwing something (he said "rocks", but everyone else says bricks) just before she brought out the gun.
 
 
jallman said:
Her "feelings" don't give her carte blanch to fire bullets at children.

That's it, there it is, end of story.
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unfortunately, in this case, the law disagrees with you.
 
OscarB63 said:
unfortunately, in this case, the law disagrees with you.
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No it does not. You don't get to state "my life is in danger" and then start firing when your life was not, in fact, in danger.
 
jallman said:
There was nothing more to address. She had already gone inside the safety of her own home, called the police again, and then she chose to come outside and discharge a firearm at kids.

There's nothing to discuss here.
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Why exactly would she automatically feel safe inside her home just because she had called the police? The boys had already thrown a brick through her window earlier. She, and some of her neighbors, at least believe that these boys had set some of her stuff on fire, including reportedly a bbq pit, a flowerbed, and a trashcan. She had every reason to believe that if they were not forced to leave while she waited for the cops that they could throw more bricks through her windows, possibly hitting her again, and/or set something else on fire, this time it could have been her house. Given past suspected behavior by these boys, she had every reason to believe that her life could have been in danger by just staying in the house and waiting for the police to arrive.
 
jallman said:
No it does not. You don't get to state "my life is in danger" and then start firing when your life was not, in fact, in danger.
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since she wasn't charged...apparently the cops disagree with you as well.
 
We should just equipe the elderly with the bean bag guns, that would have stopped that kid too.
 

No. You don't stand in front of the window if you think something is coming through it. I've never seen a brick go through a solid wall. She felt safe enough to get her gun and return to the scene of the brick throwing. She clearly didn't feel so unsafe that she minded going into the house after a firearm, stop to call the police, and then returning to the scene of provocation. She wasn't worried about her house going up in flames during the time it took her to do that.

I am just gonna do this: I am gonna wait for more information. But with what has been presented, this woman shot a kid without justification.

And no, I am not defending the kids' actions either.
 
jallman said:
Yet. She hasn't been charged yet.
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whatever dude. how long do we have to wait for them to charge her before we can say "told you so"?
 
OscarB63 said:
whatever dude. how long do we have to wait for them to charge her before we can say "told you so"?
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I don't care how long you wait to do whatever it is you care to do. You don't matter to me in any way.
 

What exactly "shows" that someone might be worried about their house going up in flames from kids, who have shown to have previous arsonist tendencies, who are on the property already and already engaging in violent behavior? Should she have called the fire department along with the police? Maybe you think she should have ran away? It is her house, her property and she knew she had a gun inside for protection. She had reason to believe she was in danger, whether she was outside or inside her house.
 

I don't buy it. If they were in the process of setting a fire, fine. But there's no indication of that. They were throwing bricks. She was in her house. She chose to come out instead of waiting for police she had already stopped to call. She opened fire on kids.

Thems the facts.
 

well, if the kids had stayed away after the cops responded the first time, we wouldn't be haivng this discussion. It's not like this lady tracked them down and shot them. They chose to come back to her property and continue the harrassment. They got what they deserved. I'm just sorry she didn't have a seizure and fire off a few more rounds into the little thugs.
 

She chose to come back outside. She clearly wasn't so threatened in her house that she couldn't stop to call the police first. She fired at kids without justification.
 
jallman said:
She chose to come back outside. She clearly wasn't so threatened in her house that she couldn't stop to call the police first. She fired at kids without justification.
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what was she supposed to do? sit in her house and wait for the cops while these little turds threw more bricks through her windows? punk ass kids are lucky she came back outside. she could have just shot their asses through the hole in her window.

And you have no idea what her state of mind was at the time, so there is no way you can confirm that she had no justification.
 
jallman said:
Her "feelings" don't give her carte blanch to fire bullets at children.

That's it, there it is, end of story.
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carte blanche? you act like she shot a boy scout.



jallman said:
There was nothing more to address. She had already gone inside the safety of her own home, called the police again, and then she chose to come outside and discharge a firearm at kids.

There's nothing to discuss here.
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bricks go through window, he was already impeding on her property and home, and historically, she was previously assaulted.


Why won't you answer the question. How would you suggest she stop the kid from lighting her trash on fire, assaulting her with bricks, and menacing and harrassment?
 

bingo, she had already exhuasted the only other vialbe alternative she had, "call the cops", and that didn't work.
 

I did answer the question. Stay inside until the police returned.
 
OscarB63 said:
bingo, she had already exhuasted the only other vialbe alternative she had, "call the cops", and that didn't work.
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Then why did she bother to stop and call the cops again?
 

Then you call the cops again, and work with the victims advocates to get a restraining order. Why do you people want to shoot someone so bad?
 

It's funny how quick you are to dismiss this stuff in favor of shooting to kill. I guess when the only tool you have is a hammer, every situation looks like a nail.
 
jallman said:
I don't know your background. You're some dood on the internet and nothing more.
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:shrug:



Really, John Wayne. He could say that it allegedly happened. He may take your testimony that you witnessed it. But he could not state that these crimes were committed as fact because there is no charge to support it.
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nonsense. I've already addressed this in previous posts with links you haven't addressed.


I've already backed it up. You're wrong. Deal with it.
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where? What post number? I've been more than happy to provide you with post numbers backing up my positions, I ask you to extend me the same courtesy.


And your ignorance of the defense statutes is astounding. It takes more than just saying "my life was threatened" to prove that your life was, in fact, threatened.
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Strawman, I never claimed that was all that was needed, nor did I comment on its "proof" that "life was threatened" What I did state was that the belief of jeopardy of life by the person is what is needed in order to justify a self defense case.


once the savage crossed the line of throwing bricks at an elderly lady, then menacing her with said bricks, if she feels that her life is in mortal danger, she is authorized by law to use lethal force.


Sorry that bothers you. Again, what was her proper response?


The only thing you've proven is that you don't understand a word you read.
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Emotional retorts don't work on my Jallman, you know that.





I've provided links and facts, you've provided emotion. We can stand at that.


And yes, The Good Reverend is in fact that awesome, and the internet can not be a contest because I would have already won it....


I hope you get back to your old self soon brother. :thumbs:
 
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