Emblematic? Serving as a symbol of a particular quality or concept? Yes, indeed. It serves as a symbol of the the movement's general trend toward imposition and control. Like When India Willoughby files criminal complaints against JK Rowling.
Of course, because the majority of Americans oppose discrimination and abuse of anyone. However, much of what the trans movement complains about is not discrimination and abuse. It is not, for example, discrimination and abuse to reject trans ideology.
Certainly, if someone was harassing someone at work, which is a severe and pervasive course of conduct, which can involve a lot of things that aren't themselves illegal - like, repeatedly and intentionally calling someone a dog, or teasing the person incessantly. That's what that is directed at and what people understand it to be. However, India Willoughby calling the cops because JK Rowling used the word "man" is not something anyone but fringe asshats agree with.
Look in the mirror. The trans folks are a fringe minority, with outsized influence. People don't want them harassed, but they also don't think they need obey the trans folks at every turn. Hardly anyone would say that you have to agree that there aren't two sexes, for example. Yet the trans movement says "there's no such thing as biological sex."
Poe's Law applies.Personal claims on the internet are like noses.
Everybody's got one and they all smell.
One of the problems with these issues is that sometimes its difficult to tell the difference between right-wing lies and actual events. For example, there were a lot of people up in arms over the CLAIM of litter boxes being provided in schools for kids identifying as cats.
Didn't happen...
Litter boxes in schools hoax - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Oh, well, that's on a different thread. The OP on this thread is the OP on this thread. That's the discussion here. You don't get to control the discussion.
You are incapable of discussing the topic in the OP. You now want to fault me, who did not create the OP, for discussing the OP. That's YOUR defalcation, not mine. You don't get to come here and derail a thread because you think it should be about something else. If you want to discuss what YOU think is the main topic, then either find that thread or create that thread. This thread is about an example of going to far.
Sure, I do. However, you keep making comments which aren't responsive to the OP, and I happen to be responding to those. You said you thought the demand in the OP was unreasonable. Then you went off into other issues, claiming that it wasn't an important issue, just an isolated thing, and that we should talk about other things which are more the main topic, etc.
It's an isolated example, because there aren't a host of other incidents identical to this one. But it is not an isolated example of the demands to exercise control over language, that's for sure. That's why this example is, as I said, "emblematic." A symbol of the overarching concept.
This is your claim, but ultimately it is false.
Did somebody claim it was? Or is this just an implied strawman argument?
More strawman crap.
To your posted claim? I would agree.
I'm sorry, but is your comment here what I should have used to responded to your non-topical distractions?
Apply this comment as well to all the non-topical crap you have talked about.
Then what would you like to say about my position on the situation from post #1?
Is there ANYBODY on this thread who agrees with the transgender person's position from post #1's situation?
I'll have to stop you right there. You said my claim that much of what the trans-assholes complain about is not disctrimination and abuse is "false." Wrong. You are wrong. When dipshit india Willoughby and her allies claim that JK Rowling is discriminating against and abusing by calling India a man, well, that's someone bitching about something that is neither discrimination nor abuse. When those scumbags complain about pronoun usage, and think every store clerk making minimum wage should be spending their time and mental energy puzzling out whether to call them a boy or a girl or some stupid-ass "gender outlaw" or "Zir" or "starburst" pronouns - they are calling something abuse/discrimination when it is not.
The only ones claiming to be oppressed by pronouns are the trans folks and their allies. They literally claim that he and she "oppresses" them and is "hate speech" and "erases their identity" and they demand everyone else accommodate them to protect them from this horrible oppression of the pronouns everyone has used for several hundred years, or longer.
This is a discussion board, to discuss the issues of the day, and this is an issue of the day. Obviously, all the trans activists want to hear is silence on the issue, because they want to be the only ones talking about it, and everyone else has to obey, or it's hate speech and discrimination. So, yeah, those of us who have an issue with certain ideological stances will raise them here, and raise them in the context of events that occur in real life. This is a discussion board, after all, where we are all here, supposedly, to discuss these issues.
Oh, yes, constantly. That's an overarching concept in the transactivist community - that to say there are only two sexes or worse yet, only two genders, shouldn't even be allowed to be said. We've had threads discusing examples of school kids debating in class where they argue there are only two genders and they were disciplined in school, and of course the trans dipshits claim "he's erasing my existence!" and "that's hate speech!"
Oh, yes, the trans movement does say that. I literally posted a college professor who said exactly that. You do not know what the **** you're talking about. He is a gender studies professor, teaching college students in gender studies, that it is a myth that there is such a thing as biological sex.
Oh, yes they are - you can't say "nobody" - just look at all the examples in the news about trans assholes abusing fast food workers or store clerks over being called "mister" or something when they are clearly a ****ing man. That's a demand for obedience. Look at what they did to Riley Gaines - "you must have a guy with a swingin' dick changing in front of you in the girls' locker room, or you can quit the sport." Look at the India Willoughby demand for obedience against JK Rowling - unsuccessful so far, yes - but it's their demand for obedience nonetheless - they say to JK Rowling "shut up, transphobe! You cannot voice your opinion! You must be silent!" And, that is their deman - they even want her arrested.
Oh, I do address what people are actually saying. People say a lot of things. If you want to cite a different example, feel free. Even the more benign demands from crowd are ****ing absurd.
LOL, no to the fact that people can't tell the difference between what the translobby actually says and a parody of what they say.
A gender studies professor has nothing to do with transgender or gender identity. Gender studies is a sociology course and how society views gender roles and rights.
www.psychologytoday.com
You used a weasel word "much". "Much" is entirely too subjective.
foundit66 said:
This is a complete nonsequitur to the point I was making.
I encourage the viewing audience to observe the hypocrisy @MrNiceGuy presents.
This is also true of the transphobes. You guys clearly want to control the dialogue and complain with your talking points.
Then it will be easy for you to quote an example of the actual discussed point.
This is not a real example.
First, I welcome you to document your claim. I won't hold my breath.
foundit66 said:
You literally equate with responses of free speech and complaints with "obeying ... at every turn".
The problem is YOU SEE ONE PERSON making a statement (like you did in this thread) and suddenly you claim it is the "translobby".
Yes, certainly -- people in the trans movement do make that claim. I cited the professor as an example.
I equate their demands for obedience and filing of criminal complains, and support for laws that would force people to use certain words, to a DEMAND that they be obeyed. That is what they are demanding. **** them. I don't have to agree with them. I never said they didn't have free speech to demand whatever they want. People can demand anything. But that doesn't mean their demands aren't demands -- and in this case, these ****wits are demanding obedience. They want people to obey and that obedience goes right down to whether we agree with them. I don't accept that. They are free to demand it, but I am free to not accept it, and to use MY FREE SPEECH to tell him or her to **** right off.
No sir, because I'm not asking them to do or say anything. They can claim to be a woman or a man or something else. They can claim there is no biological sex. They can claim it's all a fairy tale spectrum and la la la. They can dress up or dress down. They can "express" in any way they like. I've not demanded a single thing of them.
Not in the least. He's one example of myriad. Others are legion. It's that group that disciplines a teenager in school for stating his view that there are two genders, and rejecting trans ideology. They are the ones that make that kid take his t-shirt off which said "there are only two genders" and then they made him take his next tshirt off which said "there are CENSORED genders." In the mind of the teachers and school administrators pushing this crap, they wouldn't even let the kid have his free speech to say there are two genders or that he had been censored from stating his view.
Nonsense.
You complain here about the topic of this thread. This thread isn't about that. I didn't create this thread. Go look at the person who did create this thread.
Bullshit. I never claimed to be a victim of anything. I claimed to OPPOSE what douchebags like India Willoughby and the translobby who attacked Riley Gaines, and the bathroom and pronoun brigades are doing. I don't like what they are trying to do, and I don't agree when they claim that JK Rowling and others who disagree with them are "transphobes" and worse, should be criminally prosecuted. I don't like when a student at a school has to fend off demands that he not use his own freaking name, because it offends some trans jackass. And that isn't saying all trans are jackasses. It's says THAT PARTICULAR trans person is a jackass, as is anyone who supports that jackass' position.
You've already been cited a prime example. You asked for an example of someone being told it is discrimination/harassment for opposing trans ideology. Here you go -- a teen student wants to say "there are only two genders," which is a denial of trans ideology, that there are many genders existing on a spectrum of gender. https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...genders-shirt-ban-us-appeals-court-rcna138115
Here is the problem. It IS a perfect example, because that shirt is not harassment. It may be something a trans person who believes in trans ideology does not agree with, but it is not harassment. There is nothing uncivil about a shirt that says "there are only two genders" or "there are CENSORED genders." That's perfectly civil. It's as civil as a shirt which says "gender is a spectrum." Would you support a ban on t-shirts that say "gender is a spectrum?" Is that uncivil? Or will you say that one point of view is civil and the other is uncivil?
It's free speech at school, too, unless the school has a content-neutral rule. If they allow other messages, then they have to allow his message.
Wait a cotton pickin' minute here. I did not talk about anything that was non-topical to this thread. This was a thread about the trans movement going too far. I talked about that directly.
Oh, you call me a transphobe?
So, you agree I am right, but you just think it's "not the focus of the fight." This is where conversations often go off the rails, because you switch the issue. You declared what i said to not be true, even though it is true, and even though you now AGREE WITH WHAT I DESCRIBED. You say it's false, because you think it's not the "real focus." Well, that doesn't make it false.
Ok, one, again, you're suggesting some other people scream louder about being ordered or demanded to use certain pronouns, than the people who are trying to give the orders/demands to those people to use the certain pronouns. Let's see your evidence of that? Care to cite your examples of transphobes -- transphobes now -- make sure that's part of your evidence - that you are not just citing to people expressing a different opinion that they not have to use certain pronouns - you said "transphobes." So, where are the examples of this "transphobes" who are "screaming loudest?"
That wasn't my standard.
Gender studies includes the study of gender identity. However, feel free to say you completely disagree with what he says here -A gender studies professor has nothing to do with transgender or gender identity. Gender studies is a sociology course and how society views gender roles and rights.
Gender idneity would be in the school of psychology or medical science.
Understanding Gender, Sex, and Gender Identity
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene hung a sign in the Capitol saying there are only two genders. Psychologists disagree. Here's why.
Okay, so preachers are a symbol of pedophelia.
Derp!
I am merely applying your very own standard.
You aren't though. I literally just explained it to you.
The only difference between your statement and my statement is that you don't like my statement and you don't like that it fits inside your model.
Errr... noooo.... your statement doesn't fit inside my model.
I never said he was an outlier. I said he was emblematic. YOU said that meant I was referring to "all."
You don't know what special pleading is, and you are incapable of thinking logically.
This is a highly ironic claim from you.
