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RobertU

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One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

Astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."

The idea that our lone planet would be the center of divine attention in the vast cosmos seems ridiculous. But maybe not. If we want to understand how God plays God, we might get a hint from how man plays God.

Arguably, man’s first modern attempt to play God was the creation of the atomic bomb. If God made a sun in the heavens, man could make an artificial sun on earth. But the Manhattan Project involved constructing something very big just to produce something very small. The gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, measuring a half mile long with 42.6 acres under roof, could produce each day only 7.2 ounces of 80 percent enriched uranium, in a process that took more than six months to create just one A-bomb. That would be like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory making only one candy bar each day.

More recently, scientists at the CERN complex at the Swiss-Franco border “play God” when they try to recreate, in miniature, elements of the Big Bang that started our universe.

The experiments at CERN far exceed the scale of the Manhattan Project. Scientists and engineers created giant machines and a tunnel 17 miles in circumference for the purpose of studying subatomic particles. If they would construct something so humongous just to examine something so incredibly tiny, it is conceivable that God would create a giant universe just for the purpose of focusing on our speck of human life on Earth. The universe is God’s version of CERN.

Admittedly, the universe is exponentially (by several magnitudes) larger than CERN, but that is why we have the word exponentially: to allow us to think big. And, if we think big enough, perhaps we can start thinking like God.
 
RobertU said:
One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

Astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."

The idea that our lone planet would be the center of divine attention in the vast cosmos seems ridiculous. But maybe not. If we want to understand how God plays God, we might get a hint from how man plays God.

Arguably, man’s first modern attempt to play God was the creation of the atomic bomb. If God made a sun in the heavens, man could make an artificial sun on earth. But the Manhattan Project involved constructing something very big just to produce something very small. The gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, measuring a half mile long with 42.6 acres under roof, could produce each day only 7.2 ounces of 80 percent enriched uranium, in a process that took more than six months to create just one A-bomb. That would be like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory making only one candy bar each day.

More recently, scientists at the CERN complex at the Swiss-Franco border “play God” when they try to recreate, in miniature, elements of the Big Bang that started our universe.

The experiments at CERN far exceed the scale of the Manhattan Project. Scientists and engineers created giant machines and a tunnel 17 miles in circumference for the purpose of studying subatomic particles. If they would construct something so humongous just to examine something so incredibly tiny, it is conceivable that God would create a giant universe just for the purpose of focusing on our speck of human life on Earth. The universe is God’s version of CERN.

Admittedly, the universe is exponentially (by several magnitudes) larger than CERN, but that is why we have the word exponentially: to allow us to think big. And, if we think big enough, perhaps we can start thinking like God.
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What happens if we think 'big enough' and we start thinking like Ted? What then?
 
A thoughtful analogy, Robert. I hope for, but don't expect, equally thoughtful responses.
 
RobertU said:
One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

Astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."

The idea that our lone planet would be the center of divine attention in the vast cosmos seems ridiculous. But maybe not. If we want to understand how God plays God, we might get a hint from how man plays God.

Arguably, man’s first modern attempt to play God was the creation of the atomic bomb. If God made a sun in the heavens, man could make an artificial sun on earth. But the Manhattan Project involved constructing something very big just to produce something very small. The gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, measuring a half mile long with 42.6 acres under roof, could produce each day only 7.2 ounces of 80 percent enriched uranium, in a process that took more than six months to create just one A-bomb. That would be like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory making only one candy bar each day.

More recently, scientists at the CERN complex at the Swiss-Franco border “play God” when they try to recreate, in miniature, elements of the Big Bang that started our universe.

The experiments at CERN far exceed the scale of the Manhattan Project. Scientists and engineers created giant machines and a tunnel 17 miles in circumference for the purpose of studying subatomic particles. If they would construct something so humongous just to examine something so incredibly tiny, it is conceivable that God would create a giant universe just for the purpose of focusing on our speck of human life on Earth. The universe is God’s version of CERN.

Admittedly, the universe is exponentially (by several magnitudes) larger than CERN, but that is why we have the word exponentially: to allow us to think big. And, if we think big enough, perhaps we can start thinking like God.
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Great post, as we learn more about the universe, and our place in it, we are by necessity forced to change our anthropocentric theologies. God is MUCH,MUCH bigger than that
 
RobertU said:
One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

Astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."

The idea that our lone planet would be the center of divine attention in the vast cosmos seems ridiculous. But maybe not. If we want to understand how God plays God, we might get a hint from how man plays God.

Arguably, man’s first modern attempt to play God was the creation of the atomic bomb. If God made a sun in the heavens, man could make an artificial sun on earth. But the Manhattan Project involved constructing something very big just to produce something very small. The gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, measuring a half mile long with 42.6 acres under roof, could produce each day only 7.2 ounces of 80 percent enriched uranium, in a process that took more than six months to create just one A-bomb. That would be like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory making only one candy bar each day.

More recently, scientists at the CERN complex at the Swiss-Franco border “play God” when they try to recreate, in miniature, elements of the Big Bang that started our universe.

The experiments at CERN far exceed the scale of the Manhattan Project. Scientists and engineers created giant machines and a tunnel 17 miles in circumference for the purpose of studying subatomic particles. If they would construct something so humongous just to examine something so incredibly tiny, it is conceivable that God would create a giant universe just for the purpose of focusing on our speck of human life on Earth. The universe is God’s version of CERN.

Admittedly, the universe is exponentially (by several magnitudes) larger than CERN, but that is why we have the word exponentially: to allow us to think big. And, if we think big enough, perhaps we can start thinking like God.
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Which god are you referring to?
 
This doesn't address the absurdity of a perfect non physical entity creating a physical universe in the first place. Why bother? What's the point?

Making up a creator god does not remove absurdity. it just adds to it.
 
RobertU said:
One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

Astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."

The idea that our lone planet would be the center of divine attention in the vast cosmos seems ridiculous. But maybe not. If we want to understand how God plays God, we might get a hint from how man plays God.

Arguably, man’s first modern attempt to play God was the creation of the atomic bomb. If God made a sun in the heavens, man could make an artificial sun on earth. But the Manhattan Project involved constructing something very big just to produce something very small. The gaseous diffusion plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, measuring a half mile long with 42.6 acres under roof, could produce each day only 7.2 ounces of 80 percent enriched uranium, in a process that took more than six months to create just one A-bomb. That would be like Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory making only one candy bar each day.

More recently, scientists at the CERN complex at the Swiss-Franco border “play God” when they try to recreate, in miniature, elements of the Big Bang that started our universe.

The experiments at CERN far exceed the scale of the Manhattan Project. Scientists and engineers created giant machines and a tunnel 17 miles in circumference for the purpose of studying subatomic particles. If they would construct something so humongous just to examine something so incredibly tiny, it is conceivable that God would create a giant universe just for the purpose of focusing on our speck of human life on Earth. The universe is God’s version of CERN.

Admittedly, the universe is exponentially (by several magnitudes) larger than CERN, but that is why we have the word exponentially: to allow us to think big. And, if we think big enough, perhaps we can start thinking like God.
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I doubt it's humanly possible for any person or group of people to fully comprehend the size of the Universe let alone anything that could create it. Most people can't even comprehend the size of our planet.
 
RobertU said:
One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.

Astronomer Carl Sagan observed, "There are in fact 100 billion galaxies, each of which contain(s) something like a 100 billion stars. Think of how many stars, and planets, and kinds of life there may be in this vast and awesome universe."...
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Yeah and according to Christians, god made all the heavens in one day.

The next 5 days god made the Earth and the animals and vegetation etc....but the 100 billion galaxies and their 100 billion stars each, plus their planets and all the life on them...he did that on day one.
 
It is much more likely that Man created God(s) as opposed to vice versa. Therefore it is much more likely God(s) are going to talk like Man as opposed to vice versa.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yeah and according to Christians, god made all the heavens in one day.

The next 5 days god made the Earth and the animals and vegetation etc....but the 100 billion galaxies and their 100 billion stars each, plus their planets and all the life on them...he did that on day one.
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At the start of the Big Bang, the observable Universe was only between 17 centimeters and 168 meters in size, according to this article from Forbes magazine:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...e-at-the-moment-of-its-creation/#7738d0de4cea

That seems a manageable size for even a second-rate God.
 
zyzygy said:
So which second rate god were you referring to?
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I would consider Re (or Ra) the primary god. A number of Greek, Roman and Hindu gods would be "second rate." Again, what does that have to do with the Bible?
 
RobertU said:
Where in this thread did I say anything about the Bible?
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You are doing it again. Arguing by innuendo and then denying any such thing.
Your words.

One objection to the existence of God and, more specifically, a God who meddles in human history, is the immense size of the universe.
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If not bible than which book? Or does he meddle but we have no trace of it so therefor no religion of it.

As for you op, the question would be why do we need to bring a god into this in the first place.
 
zyzygy said:
Ra meddles with modern times? Why?
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The assassination of Lincoln forever made him a martyr, not a tyrant. Kennedy was a drug-addled President with a reckless streak who was very hawkish about Vietnam. His continued presidency could have transformed Vietnam, the unclear war, to Vietnam, the nuclear war. But that is a subject for another thread.
 
RobertU said:
The assassination of Lincoln forever made him a martyr, not a tyrant. Kennedy was a drug-addled President with a reckless streak who was very hawkish about Vietnam. His continued presidency could have transformed Vietnam, the unclear war, to Vietnam, the nuclear war. But that is a subject for another thread.
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You said that Ra was the primary god. Does he delegate assignations to a lesser god? Anyway nothing you have posted so far proves that a god was responsible for the killings.
 
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