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Global minimum wage

Yeah, I would not give ****ty policy support by making it global.
 
blaxshep said:
You missed my previous posts, unless I posted that on another thread.
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I guess my life is incomplete then

Its a cross I will have to bear
 
Helix said:
yeah, i wouldn't argue for that either. but if they're relying on sweatshop conditions to cut costs, **** that.
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Nah. One man's sweatshop is another man's ticket out of the fields. When you're looking at the difficulty of working conditions, etc., the relative comparison isn't to America, but rather to what those workers would otherwise be doing.
 
cpwill said:
National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 12663: Studies that focus on low-wage workers provide relatively overwhelming evidence that minimum wage increases result in strong disemployment effects

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 18681: Utilizing proper control groups leads to stronger disemployment effects; the evidence shows that minimum wage increases still represent a trade-off between higher wages for some and unemployment for others

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 19262: We find that the minimum wage reduces net job growth, with the most pronounced effects on younger and low-wage workers

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 6127: The Evidence indicates that Minimum Wage Increases mostly redistribute resources among the low wage demographics, with slightly more people falling into poverty due to the lost income of disemployment than rising out of it due to income increases.


MW hikes hurt the least skilled and least experienced among us, which has an unfortunate overlap with the poorest among us, by making them structurally unemployable.

On a global scale, low cost of living and low wage costs are many nations' competitive advantage. A global MW is just another way to advantage wealthy nations at the expense of the poor.
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:) Hey blaxshep, I'm sure it's been a busy day for you, you must have missed this. No worries though - it happens to all of us :). Just wondering, though, you ever gonna get around to addressing the fact that proposals to hike the minimum wage are basically proposals to **** over poor people?
 
blaxshep said:
Same.
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So, you don't really believe in the concept of a minimum wage. At least, not beyond the local level. Certainly not at the global level.

Would that be fair to say?
 
cpwill said:
:) Hey blaxshep, I'm sure it's been a busy day for you, you must have missed this. No worries though - it happens to all of us :). Just wondering, though, you ever gonna get around to addressing the fact that proposals to hike the minimum wage are basically proposals to **** over poor people?
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Read post #71 and down a few.
 
blaxshep said:
Read post #71 and down a few.
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:) Oh, I read it. The problem is that it doesn't address the point - when you increase the price of something, you reduce demand for it. When labor can no longer generate a higher return than it's costs, it's unaffordable. Meaning that, when you increase the MW to a LW, or whatever you want to call it, you are making people structurally unemployable.

Who costs more? People who aren't working at all, or people who are working but qualify for the EITC, SNAP, etc for a few years?

You'll also note that I pointed out the flaw in the "subsidy" argument in post 54, and gave you the math behind the "you are choosing to screw over poor people" portion of the "raise the MW to a poorly-defined LW" idea in post 61. :)
 
cpwill said:
Nah. One man's sweatshop is another man's ticket out of the fields. When you're looking at the difficulty of working conditions, etc., the relative comparison isn't to America, but rather to what those workers would otherwise be doing.
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yeah, we already had that discussion when you were defending child labor in another thread. i'm not going to discuss that with you ever again. we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
 
Helix said:
yeah, we already had that discussion when you were defending child labor in another thread. i'm not going to discuss that with you ever again. we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
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:shrug: okedoke. But punishing people because they can't just "jump" 50 years of economic development doesn't help them.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: okedoke. But punishing people because they can't just "jump" 50 years of economic development doesn't help them.
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It repels the mind how many left wingers think if we just adopt protectionism and demand that nations like Bangladesh and India convert themselves into a Norway and Germany before we'll trade with them, that they will go just go right ahead and initiate the conversion all on their own, like training a dog to sit for a biscuit. Are these people incapable of thinking?
 
Given that different countries have very different standards of living and very different economies. I'm not sure why anyone would suggest a global minimum wage right now.
 
CPS01 said:
Is global minimum wage a good idea or not?
And why?
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Unless you had a one world currency I couldn't see how that it could possibly be applied with the currency manipulation between differing currencies happening.
 
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