Global Cooling Is Under Way

[Tim the plumber]

"Increased temperatures from climate change will reduce yields of the four crops humans depend on most—wheat, rice, corn and soybeans—and the losses have already begun, according to a new meta-study by an international team of researchers...

The study of studies was conducted by scientists in China, Germany, Belgium, Italy, France, Spain, The Philippines, and the United States, including the University of Florida, Stanford University, the University of Chicago, and Columbia University in New York..."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmc...e-corn-soybean-yields-worldwide/#3d078152777b

From those Commies at Forbes.

However the bleeding obvious that Brazil grows lots of grain crops very well makes such claims clearly drivel.

The answer you tried to dodge but made more obvious that you know it already is that the agricultural zone of USA has not retreated since the dust bowl years. The increased world temperatures have not caused the prairie to retreat. Humanity has the capacity to make the world better for humas and is doing it.

 

[late]

However the bleeding obvious that Brazil grows lots of grain crops very well makes such claims clearly drivel.

I said the Wheat Belt was moving North, it is.

I quoted a massive study that concluded that climate change would throw the 4 major food sources into decline, including wheat.

You babble.

 

[Jack Hays]

I said the Wheat Belt was moving North, it is.

I quoted a massive study that concluded that climate change would throw the 4 major food sources into decline, including wheat.

You babble.

And yet yields keep increasing.

Cereal yield (kg per hectare) - World Bank Open Data

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.YLD.CREL.KG?view=chart

 

[late]

And yet yields continue to rise.

"With wheat harvest underway in the Northern Hemisphere and wheat planting underway or complete in the Southern Hemisphere, wheat buyers are beginning to see a downward trend in production numbers."
https://agfax.com/2017/06/29/wheat-market-world-production-to-decline-in-201718/

"World grain production fell last year, exacerbating a global food situation already plagued by rising prices, according to new research published by the Worldwatch Institute for its Vital Signs Online publication. Despite record rice and maize yields around the world, global wheat production dropped substantially enough to bring total grain output to just below 2008 levels...

Recent growth in agricultural production has been uneven. In many regions, climate change has brought irregular weather patterns such as rising temperatures, violent storms, and flash flooding."

World Grain Production Down, But Recovering | Worldwatch Institute

SSDD

 

[Jack Hays]

"With wheat harvest underway in the Northern Hemisphere and wheat planting underway or complete in the Southern Hemisphere, wheat buyers are beginning to see a downward trend in production numbers."
https://agfax.com/2017/06/29/wheat-market-world-production-to-decline-in-201718/

"World grain production fell last year, exacerbating a global food situation already plagued by rising prices, according to new research published by the Worldwatch Institute for its Vital Signs Online publication. Despite record rice and maize yields around the world, global wheat production dropped substantially enough to bring total grain output to just below 2008 levels...

Recent growth in agricultural production has been uneven. In many regions, climate change has brought irregular weather patterns such as rising temperatures, violent storms, and flash flooding."

World Grain Production Down, But Recovering | Worldwatch Institute

SSDD

Please see #553.

 

[late]

Please see #553.

Your chart stops at 2016.

You do know the difference between 16 and 17???

 

[Jack Hays]

Your chart stops at 2016.

You do know the difference between 16 and 17???

All the negatives you cited were in evidence for all those years and still yields kept rising. Suggests to me your negatives are illusory.

 

[Deuce]

All the negatives you cited were in evidence for all those years and still yields kept rising. Suggests to me your negatives are illusory.

Temperature sometimes goes up in a year where solar insolation is decreasing. So the sun is illusory?

 

[Jack Hays]

Temperature sometimes goes up in a year where solar insolation is decreasing. So the sun is illusory?

Please see #553. Over 50 years of increases. And solar insolation may not be determinative.

 

[Deuce]

Please see #553. Over 50 years of increases. And solar insolation may not be determinative.

A year or two of data is surely enough

 

[Jack Hays]

A year or two of data is surely enough

Depends on the question. In this case, no.

 

[Tim the plumber]

I said the Wheat Belt was moving North, it is.

I quoted a massive study that concluded that climate change would throw the 4 major food sources into decline, including wheat.

You babble.

And I pointed out that the wheat belt is extending North and that much hotter places grow wheat in abundance.

That some people produce lies for the furthing of their own agenda does not change the bleeding obvious.

And Forbes is rubbish.

 

[Deuce]

Depends on the question. In this case, no.

Interesting. But with temperature data, sure why not?

 

[Jack Hays]

Interesting. But with temperature data, sure why not?

Because I believe rising temperatures have been fundamentally misattributed to CO2-driven warming, and conditions are now in place to expose that error because temperatures should fall for quite some time.

 

[late]

And I pointed out that the wheat belt is extending North and that much hotter places grow wheat in abundance.

That some people produce lies for the furthering of their own agenda does not change the bleeding obvious.

And Forbes is rubbish.

Wheat is in decline, scientists expect that will become a trend.

Excuses and a few bucks will still get you a cup of bad coffee...

 

[Jack Hays]

Wheat is in decline, scientists expect that will become a trend.

Excuses and a few bucks will still get you a cup of bad coffee...

Tight supply will boost prices, and increased production will follow. The magic of the market.

 

[Deuce]

Because I believe rising temperatures have been fundamentally misattributed to CO2-driven warming, and conditions are now in place to expose that error because temperatures should fall for quite some time.

Sorry, you're not allowed to add hypothetical future data to complete a supposed statistical trend.

 

[Deuce]

Tight supply will boost prices, and increased production will follow. The magic of the market.

You should have a chat with Tim the Plumber about price impact on starvation. He'll be calling you a mass murderer any moment now, I'm sure.

 

[Jack Hays]

Sorry, you're not allowed to add hypothetical future data to complete a supposed statistical trend.

I can add anything I want to my own personal outlook.

 

[marke]

Okay well, they aren't going down. Sorry if you believe that. Its simply not true.

Is it hot in your neck of the woods? How can you prove the global atmospheric temperatures are not dropping?

 

[Deuce]

I can add anything I want to my own personal outlook.

Correct. But the conversation was about datasets and whether or not a year or two of data is sufficient to identify a trend.

Your personal outlook is that the world is getting cooler. A year or two of data does not mathematically identify a statistically useful cooling trend.

 

[Deuce]

Is it hot in your neck of the woods? How can you prove the global atmospheric temperatures are not dropping?

... by looking at global temperature data?

 

[Jack Hays]

Correct. But the conversation was about datasets and whether or not a year or two of data is sufficient to identify a trend.

Your personal outlook is that the world is getting cooler. A year or two of data does not mathematically identify a statistically useful cooling trend.

Tough. 2016>2017>2018 . . . And onward.

 

[Deuce]

Tough. 2016>2017>2018 . . . And onward.

Tough?

 

[Jack Hays]

Tough?

As in: That's tough. Deal with it.