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Given the history of politicians and their illnesses, why is Fetterman's stroke a big deal?

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When it comes to politicians and their ill health, Fetterman is in very famous company. Let's review some other well known politicians who had rather serious health problems, yet still were able to do their job while in office.

Winston Churchill

There is a book published by his physicians that is 1 1/2" inches thick about all of his illnesses.

In his 1966 memoir, Churchill’s personal physician Charles Wilson, the first Baron Moran, revealed that “Black Dog” was the name Churchill gave to “the prolonged fits of depression from which he suffered”. During his second term as prime minister from 1951 to 1955, Churchill was, in the words of his biographer Roy Jenkins, “gloriously unfit for office”. Ageing and increasingly unwell, he often conducted business from his bedside. He had suffered a stroke while on holiday in 1949 and, while in office in 1953, suffered another. Despite being paralysed down one side and doctors fearing he might not survive the weekend, he conducted a cabinet meeting without, it is claimed, anyone noticing his indisposition. News of this stroke was kept from parliament and the public, who were told that he was suffering merely from exhaustion. He left office in 1955.


John F Kennedy

When JFK was elected US president in 1960, he seemed, at 43, healthy and vibrant. In reality, he suffered various problems controlled by doses of steroids and other drugs. Among those problems was Addison’s disease or autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2. The disease causes the adrenal glands (which produce adrenaline and other hormones) to wither and results in symptoms such as fatigue, dizziness, muscle weakness, weight loss, difficulty standing up, nausea, sweating, and changes in mood and personality. Kennedy collapsed twice, once during a congressional visit to Britain, as a result of Addison’s disease.

Franklin D Roosevelt

In 1921, at the age of 38, Roosevelt suffered a severe attack of polio, which resulted in the total paralysis of both legs. The previous year he had run as vice-president on Democratic candidate James M Cox’s ticket. His illness seemed to threaten his future political career, but it did not. In 1928, he was elected governor of New York and in 1932 defeated Herbert Hoover to become president, in which office he served until his death in 1945 – becoming thereby the last president to serve more than two four-year terms in office. In 1944, hospital tests revealed that the president, a lifelong chain smoker, had high blood pressure, atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease causing angina pectoris and congestive heart failure, but his declining health was hidden from the public. He died during his last year in office.

François Mitterrand

The French president died of prostate cancer in 1996, a year after the end of his two-term, 1981-95 presidency. During those long years in the Élysée Palace, he and his doctors concealed his condition from the French public. David Owen, in his book In Sickness and in Power: Illness in Heads of Government During the Last 100 Years, reveals the lengths they went to to conceal his condition.



Harold Wilson

During the British prime minister’s second term of office from 1974-76, he suffered symptoms that were later diagnosed as colon cancer.

Tony Blair

He was found to be suffering from supraventricular tachycardia,

Data source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nia-leaders-illnesses-jfk-mitterand-churchill

And....

U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen suffered a stroke during office

U.S. Senator Ben Ray Lujan suffered a stroke this year.

And, the above was only a cursory search, I'm sure if I dug a little harder, I could have found scores of Senators, Congresspersons, Governors, etc., who had health problems and people have a problem with Fetterman?


Vote character and policies, but Fetterman's cognitive difficulties aren't that severe, compared to other famous politicians who have had conditions of one kind or another.. But, of course, no doubt Republicans are not going to let anyone forget Fetterman's condition though they would have in prior years. Reagan was exhibiting signs of senility before he finally left office, did anyone raise a big stink about it?

But Oz shouldn't be a doctor, let alone Senator:

 
Vote character and policies, but Fetterman's cognitive difficulties aren't that severe, compared to other famous politicians who have had conditions of one kind or another.. But, of course, no doubt Republicans are not going to let anyone forget Fetterman's condition though they would have in prior years. Reagan was exhibiting signs of senility before he finally left office, did anyone raise a big stink about it?

But Oz shouldn't be a doctor, let alone Senator:
You're to be applauded for taking the time to construct such a cogent argument on the subject. Well done. 👏

Conspicuous in his absence from your list was Ronald Reagan who, by the time of his reelection, was already a doddering fool, riddled with Alzheimer's. That didn't keep his cabinet, his staff, his wife, and the congressional GOP leadership, et al, from propping him up long enough to still be occupying the Oval Office until the end of his term. He went on to become an icon of the party, still lauded by those who have benefited from his voodoo economics, and those too stupid to know any better.
 
When it comes to politicians and their ill health, Fetterman is in very famous company. Let's review some other well known politicians who had rather serious health problems, yet still were able to do their job while in office.

Winston Churchill

There is a book published by his physicians that is 1 1/2" inches thick about all of his illnesses.

In his 1966 memoir, Churchill’s personal physician Charles Wilson, the first Baron Moran, revealed that “Black Dog” was the name Churchill gave to “the prolonged fits of depression from which he suffered”. During his second term as prime minister from 1951 to 1955, Churchill was, in the words of his biographer Roy Jenkins, “gloriously unfit for office”. Ageing and increasingly unwell, he often conducted business from his bedside. He had suffered a stroke while on holiday in 1949 and, while in office in 1953, suffered another. Despite being paralysed down one side and doctors fearing he might not survive the weekend, he conducted a cabinet meeting without, it is claimed, anyone noticing his indisposition. News of this stroke was kept from parliament and the public, who were told that he was suffering merely from exhaustion. He left office in 1955.


John F Kennedy

When JFK was elected US president in 1960, he seemed, at 43, healthy and vibrant. In reality, he suffered various problems controlled by doses of steroids and other drugs. Among those problems was Addison’s disease or autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2. The disease causes the adrenal glands (which produce adrenaline and other hormones) to wither and results in symptoms such as fatigue, dizziness, muscle weakness, weight loss, difficulty standing up, nausea, sweating, and changes in mood and personality. Kennedy collapsed twice, once during a congressional visit to Britain, as a result of Addison’s disease.

Franklin D Roosevelt

In 1921, at the age of 38, Roosevelt suffered a severe attack of polio, which resulted in the total paralysis of both legs. The previous year he had run as vice-president on Democratic candidate James M Cox’s ticket. His illness seemed to threaten his future political career, but it did not. In 1928, he was elected governor of New York and in 1932 defeated Herbert Hoover to become president, in which office he served until his death in 1945 – becoming thereby the last president to serve more than two four-year terms in office. In 1944, hospital tests revealed that the president, a lifelong chain smoker, had high blood pressure, atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease causing angina pectoris and congestive heart failure, but his declining health was hidden from the public. He died during his last year in office.

François Mitterrand

The French president died of prostate cancer in 1996, a year after the end of his two-term, 1981-95 presidency. During those long years in the Élysée Palace, he and his doctors concealed his condition from the French public. David Owen, in his book In Sickness and in Power: Illness in Heads of Government During the Last 100 Years, reveals the lengths they went to to conceal his condition.



Harold Wilson

During the British prime minister’s second term of office from 1974-76, he suffered symptoms that were later diagnosed as colon cancer.

Tony Blair

He was found to be suffering from supraventricular tachycardia,

Data source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nia-leaders-illnesses-jfk-mitterand-churchill

And....

U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen suffered a stroke during office

U.S. Senator Ben Ray Lujan suffered a stroke this year.

And, the above was only a cursory search, I'm sure if I dug a little harder, I could have found scores of Senators, Congresspersons, Governors, etc., who had health problems and people have a problem with Fetterman?


Vote character and policies, but Fetterman's cognitive difficulties aren't that severe, compared to other famous politicians who have had conditions of one kind or another.. But, of course, no doubt Republicans are not going to let anyone forget Fetterman's condition though they would have in prior years. Reagan was exhibiting signs of senility before he finally left office, did anyone raise a big stink about it?

But Oz shouldn't be a doctor, let alone Senator:


I can see the general concerns with Fetterman, as his illness affects not his ability to communicate in a fairly profound manner.

But that being said, if I were a Pennsylvanian I would vote for Fetterman over a MAGA any day - without hesitation.
 
Fetterman's stroke might be causing lapses in judgement.

During the debate Tuesday night, Fetterman got caught in some lies.

At the debate, Fetterman said:

"I've always supported fracking and I always believe that independence with our energy is critical, and we can't be held, you know, ransom to somebody like Russia . I've always believed that energy independence is critical and I've always believed that . . . and I do support fracking, . . "

Of course that was lie. Here are some previous statements on fracking by Fetterman:

"I am not pro-fracking and have stated that if we did things right in this state, we wouldn’t have fracking,"

"I don’t support fracking, at all, and I never have. . .,"

"I signed the Food and Water Watch’s pledge to end fracking."


But maybe these weren't really lies. Perhaps his stroke destroyed brain cells where memories are stored. Perhaps he honestly had no recollection of making statements opposing fracking back in 2018.

A stroke is where part of the brain dies. Those dead brain cells cannot magically come back to life. With good therapy, the stroke victim uses other parts of the brain to compensate for the lost brain cells caused by the stroke.
 
fake republicans choose character assassinations over substance such as the issues. This began with gusto during the Reagan/Bush campaigns. Lying became so successful it is now a permanent platform
tool.

If it were not a stroke fake republicans would be making up shit of some kind.
 
Fetterman's stroke might be causing lapses in judgement.

During the debate Tuesday night, Fetterman got caught in some lies.

At the debate, Fetterman said:

"I've always supported fracking and I always believe that independence with our energy is critical, and we can't be held, you know, ransom to somebody like Russia . I've always believed that energy independence is critical and I've always believed that . . . and I do support fracking, . . "

Of course that was lie. Here are some previous statements on fracking by Fetterman:

"I am not pro-fracking and have stated that if we did things right in this state, we wouldn’t have fracking,"

"I don’t support fracking, at all, and I never have. . .,"

"I signed the Food and Water Watch’s pledge to end fracking."


But maybe these weren't really lies. Perhaps his stroke destroyed brain cells where memories are stored. Perhaps he honestly had no recollection of making statements opposing fracking back in 2018.

A stroke is where part of the brain dies. Those dead brain cells don't magically come back to life. With good therapy, the stroke victim uses other parts of the brain to compensate for the lost brain cells caused by the stroke.
coming from a source of many lapses in judgement daily ==== like trump
 
A stroke is where part of the brain dies. Those dead brain cells cannot magically come back to life. With good therapy, the stroke victim uses other parts of the brain to compensate for the lost brain cells caused by the stroke.
But Oz seems to have lost all his morality brain cells, probably back in his youth. So I'd definitely vote Fetterman.

Any politician who would accept the endorsement of an insurrectionist is a person of very low moral character and an enemy of the state.
 
coming from a source of many lapses in judgement daily ==== like trump
Trump?

Exactly what are you trying to convey here?

But Oz seems to have lost all his morality brain cells, probably back in his youth. So I'd definitely vote Fetterman.

Any politician who would accept the endorsement of an insurrectionist is a person of very low moral character and an enemy of the state.
This thread is about the impairment resulting from Fetterman's stroke - - not about Dr. Oz's morality.

why is Fetterman's stroke a big deal?

Let's discuss that. Thanks. :)
 
When it comes to politicians and their ill health, Fetterman is in very famous company. Let's review some other well known politicians who had rather serious health problems, yet still were able to do their job while in office.

Winston Churchill

There is a book published by his physicians that is 1 1/2" inches thick about all of his illnesses.

In his 1966 memoir, Churchill’s personal physician Charles Wilson, the first Baron Moran, revealed that “Black Dog” was the name Churchill gave to “the prolonged fits of depression from which he suffered”. During his second term as prime minister from 1951 to 1955, Churchill was, in the words of his biographer Roy Jenkins, “gloriously unfit for office”. Ageing and increasingly unwell, he often conducted business from his bedside. He had suffered a stroke while on holiday in 1949 and, while in office in 1953, suffered another. Despite being paralysed down one side and doctors fearing he might not survive the weekend, he conducted a cabinet meeting without, it is claimed, anyone noticing his indisposition. News of this stroke was kept from parliament and the public, who were told that he was suffering merely from exhaustion. He left office in 1955.


John F Kennedy

When JFK was elected US president in 1960, he seemed, at 43, healthy and vibrant. In reality, he suffered various problems controlled by doses of steroids and other drugs. Among those problems was Addison’s disease or autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2. The disease causes the adrenal glands (which produce adrenaline and other hormones) to wither and results in symptoms such as fatigue, dizziness, muscle weakness, weight loss, difficulty standing up, nausea, sweating, and changes in mood and personality. Kennedy collapsed twice, once during a congressional visit to Britain, as a result of Addison’s disease.

Franklin D Roosevelt

In 1921, at the age of 38, Roosevelt suffered a severe attack of polio, which resulted in the total paralysis of both legs. The previous year he had run as vice-president on Democratic candidate James M Cox’s ticket. His illness seemed to threaten his future political career, but it did not. In 1928, he was elected governor of New York and in 1932 defeated Herbert Hoover to become president, in which office he served until his death in 1945 – becoming thereby the last president to serve more than two four-year terms in office. In 1944, hospital tests revealed that the president, a lifelong chain smoker, had high blood pressure, atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease causing angina pectoris and congestive heart failure, but his declining health was hidden from the public. He died during his last year in office.

François Mitterrand

The French president died of prostate cancer in 1996, a year after the end of his two-term, 1981-95 presidency. During those long years in the Élysée Palace, he and his doctors concealed his condition from the French public. David Owen, in his book In Sickness and in Power: Illness in Heads of Government During the Last 100 Years, reveals the lengths they went to to conceal his condition.



Harold Wilson

During the British prime minister’s second term of office from 1974-76, he suffered symptoms that were later diagnosed as colon cancer.

Tony Blair

He was found to be suffering from supraventricular tachycardia,

Data source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nia-leaders-illnesses-jfk-mitterand-churchill

And....

U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen suffered a stroke during office

U.S. Senator Ben Ray Lujan suffered a stroke this year.

And, the above was only a cursory search, I'm sure if I dug a little harder, I could have found scores of Senators, Congresspersons, Governors, etc., who had health problems and people have a problem with Fetterman?


Vote character and policies, but Fetterman's cognitive difficulties aren't that severe, compared to other famous politicians who have had conditions of one kind or another.. But, of course, no doubt Republicans are not going to let anyone forget Fetterman's condition though they would have in prior years. Reagan was exhibiting signs of senility before he finally left office, did anyone raise a big stink about it?

But Oz shouldn't be a doctor, let alone Senator:

And all that has nothing to do with Fetterman. Is he or is he not capable to serve and do the job? The voters will make the decision and rightfully so. I personally don't think he is fit to the physical duties, but that's my opinion based on seeing him in action in the debate and other clips. Each voter will have to decide for themselves.
 
the problem is not Fettermans speech/hearing -it's his inability to defend his radical ideas ( and the dodging confusion)
 
why is Fetterman's stroke a big deal?
Because it means that normal moral Americans will have to vote for a guy who's had a stroke.
 
John F Kennedy

When JFK was elected US president in 1960, he seemed, at 43, healthy and vibrant. In reality, he suffered various problems controlled by doses of steroids and other drugs. Among those problems was Addison’s disease or autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2. The disease causes the adrenal glands (which produce adrenaline and other hormones) to wither and results in symptoms such as fatigue, dizziness, muscle weakness, weight loss, difficulty standing up, nausea, sweating, and changes in mood and personality. Kennedy collapsed twice, once during a congressional visit to Britain, as a result of Addison’s disease.

Kennedy functioned very well as President, but it was a lot worse than that. He was in severe pain almost daily, and had a special doctor (later nicknamed "Dr. Feelgood") who gave him serious drugs for it.
 
The arguments against Fetterman aren't in good faith. They don't need to be taken seriously.
 
Fetterman's stroke might be causing lapses in judgement.

During the debate Tuesday night, Fetterman got caught in some lies.

At the debate, Fetterman said:

"I've always supported fracking and I always believe that independence with our energy is critical, and we can't be held, you know, ransom to somebody like Russia . I've always believed that energy independence is critical and I've always believed that . . . and I do support fracking, . . "

Of course that was lie. Here are some previous statements on fracking by Fetterman:

"I am not pro-fracking and have stated that if we did things right in this state, we wouldn’t have fracking,"

"I don’t support fracking, at all, and I never have. . .,"

"I signed the Food and Water Watch’s pledge to end fracking."


But maybe these weren't really lies. Perhaps his stroke destroyed brain cells where memories are stored. Perhaps he honestly had no recollection of making statements opposing fracking back in 2018.

A stroke is where part of the brain dies. Those dead brain cells cannot magically come back to life. With good therapy, the stroke victim uses other parts of the brain to compensate for the lost brain cells caused by the stroke.
The experts can explain the why and the how. I posted it previously.
 
Senators have no executive role and most appear to do very little, with much of their activity being controlled by aides. We have several Senators past and present (Strom Thurmond, Robert Byrd, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Grassley--list is much bigger) who appear to be or were mentally incognizant and suffering severe dementia and that is considered fine. Considering it appears like a lot of Senators are little more than sock puppets I suppose their health is not important.
 
When it comes to politicians and their ill health, Fetterman is in very famous company. Let's review some other well known politicians who had rather serious health problems, yet still were able to do their job while in office.

Winston Churchill

There is a book published by his physicians that is 1 1/2" inches thick about all of his illnesses.

In his 1966 memoir, Churchill’s personal physician Charles Wilson, the first Baron Moran, revealed that “Black Dog” was the name Churchill gave to “the prolonged fits of depression from which he suffered”. During his second term as prime minister from 1951 to 1955, Churchill was, in the words of his biographer Roy Jenkins, “gloriously unfit for office”. Ageing and increasingly unwell, he often conducted business from his bedside. He had suffered a stroke while on holiday in 1949 and, while in office in 1953, suffered another. Despite being paralysed down one side and doctors fearing he might not survive the weekend, he conducted a cabinet meeting without, it is claimed, anyone noticing his indisposition. News of this stroke was kept from parliament and the public, who were told that he was suffering merely from exhaustion. He left office in 1955.


John F Kennedy

When JFK was elected US president in 1960, he seemed, at 43, healthy and vibrant. In reality, he suffered various problems controlled by doses of steroids and other drugs. Among those problems was Addison’s disease or autoimmune polyendocrine syndrome type 2. The disease causes the adrenal glands (which produce adrenaline and other hormones) to wither and results in symptoms such as fatigue, dizziness, muscle weakness, weight loss, difficulty standing up, nausea, sweating, and changes in mood and personality. Kennedy collapsed twice, once during a congressional visit to Britain, as a result of Addison’s disease.

Franklin D Roosevelt

In 1921, at the age of 38, Roosevelt suffered a severe attack of polio, which resulted in the total paralysis of both legs. The previous year he had run as vice-president on Democratic candidate James M Cox’s ticket. His illness seemed to threaten his future political career, but it did not. In 1928, he was elected governor of New York and in 1932 defeated Herbert Hoover to become president, in which office he served until his death in 1945 – becoming thereby the last president to serve more than two four-year terms in office. In 1944, hospital tests revealed that the president, a lifelong chain smoker, had high blood pressure, atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease causing angina pectoris and congestive heart failure, but his declining health was hidden from the public. He died during his last year in office.

François Mitterrand

The French president died of prostate cancer in 1996, a year after the end of his two-term, 1981-95 presidency. During those long years in the Élysée Palace, he and his doctors concealed his condition from the French public. David Owen, in his book In Sickness and in Power: Illness in Heads of Government During the Last 100 Years, reveals the lengths they went to to conceal his condition.



Harold Wilson

During the British prime minister’s second term of office from 1974-76, he suffered symptoms that were later diagnosed as colon cancer.

Tony Blair

He was found to be suffering from supraventricular tachycardia,

Data source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nia-leaders-illnesses-jfk-mitterand-churchill

And....

U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen suffered a stroke during office

U.S. Senator Ben Ray Lujan suffered a stroke this year.

And, the above was only a cursory search, I'm sure if I dug a little harder, I could have found scores of Senators, Congresspersons, Governors, etc., who had health problems and people have a problem with Fetterman?


Vote character and policies, but Fetterman's cognitive difficulties aren't that severe, compared to other famous politicians who have had conditions of one kind or another.. But, of course, no doubt Republicans are not going to let anyone forget Fetterman's condition though they would have in prior years. Reagan was exhibiting signs of senility before he finally left office, did anyone raise a big stink about it?

But Oz shouldn't be a doctor, let alone Senator:

Oz is neither, he's an Erdogan plant.
 
Sorry - I was asking for actual evidence. Not the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's editorial board.
Or are you telling us you don't know the difference?

Try again.
i doubt you read the reference? The evidence is there, im not going to argue about it, i gave you as requested
and you appear simply to have impeached the source to blow past it
 

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