Give me the number of deaths you are willing to cause to have your Freedom?

[Eriech]

There is a safe way to reopen businesses but the Federal government has failed to make it available. If we had the leadership from the Feds in getting supplies including the PPEs and tests we would have been able to open up before this. The WHO and even South Korea offered us tests and the Feds refused, so we are still using tests that fail to detect active covid in patients over 30% of the time. And instead of providing a major part of the trillions of bail out money to small and medium sized businesses that have had a hard time getting loans during this time, they gave it to huge corporations who already had credit lines with their banks. That money would not only have allowed those businesses to keep their employee, but allowed them to make the changes to make them safer for both employees and customers.

What is the safe way to close a business?

If you got a ppp loan on April 15th that money will run out in 3 weeks (if it hasn't already)



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[apdst]

Its not me protesting and crying about the tyrany of the government. That is you. You are the reason why this thing will last longer.

Of course it's not. You're perfectly willing to roll over and submit. I bet you already have a seat at the pigs' table. Don't you?

 

[armycowboy]

Then we have idiots like Clinton and Obama that strips the military of the weapons they need.

1. This post has nothing to do with what I wrote.

2. I served under both Clinton and Obama, as well as W Bush. You?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Then we have idiots like Clinton and Obama that strips the military of the weapons they need.

And idiots like Bush and Cheney who send them to die in wars that didn't need to be fought.

You say potato...

 

[bullseyelqcs]

I'm pointing out a fact: there's no way everyone is at risk because the virus doesn't have a 100% mortality rate.

If you're mad because that fact kills your end of the world narrative, tough ****.

If Russia launched a nuke at the United States, it can be said that EVERYONE is at risk until at least the target is determined. At that point, everyone in the vicinity of the target area is at risk, even if all of them don't end up dying from the attack.

Same principle here....since you have no idea who the targets are that are going to die in advance, it means that everyone is at risk of potential death should they catch it.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

You don't want to reopen at all.

He doesn't want us acting like **** isn't actually happening. That isn't the same as not wanting to open at all. You want us to go back to what things were like when nobody knew what COVID was....that ain't gonna happen. Its a real thing, and has real consequences. I would go on record as stating that bankruptcy is a far better outcome than death. If I had to choose one or the other, I pick the former over the latter all day everyday and twice on Sunday.

Its okay though...I'm over trying to be civil about this **** anymore. I say open it the **** up, and for every business owner and customer of those businesses who aren't doing anything to try to slow down this virus, you make sure there is documentation that them catching the virus was due to thier not giving a **** about common human decency, and push for thier insurance NOT to cover anything related to the illness. Then they can see what bankruptcy caused by stupidity feels like. Yes, I am saying that I hope that thier selfishness now causes them the same pain in the end.

 

[apdst]

He doesn't want us acting like **** isn't actually happening. That isn't the same as not wanting to open at all. You want us to go back to what things were like when nobody knew what COVID was....that ain't gonna happen. Its a real thing, and has real consequences. I would go on record as stating that bankruptcy is a far better outcome than death. If I had to choose one or the other, I pick the former over the latter all day everyday and twice on Sunday.

Its okay though...I'm over trying to be civil about this **** anymore. I say open it the **** up, and for every business owner and customer of those businesses who aren't doing anything to try to slow down this virus, you make sure there is documentation that them catching the virus was due to thier not giving a **** about common human decency, and push for thier insurance NOT to cover anything related to the illness. Then they can see what bankruptcy caused by stupidity feels like. Yes, I am saying that I hope that thier selfishness now causes them the same pain in the end.

That's exactly what it is. It's all about getting Trump voted out.

 

[apdst]

If Russia launched a nuke at the United States, it can be said that EVERYONE is at risk until at least the target is determined. At that point, everyone in the vicinity of the target area is at risk, even if all of them don't end up dying from the attack.

Same principle here....since you have no idea who the targets are that are going to die in advance, it means that everyone is at risk of potential death should they catch it.

One nuke? No, everyone still isn't at risk.

 

[Wayne Jr]

How long once you are going out into a public that is not wearing masks or staying safely away from each other will you either be Coiv 19 positive and get really sick or just be a carrier. They know know that covid can stay and live in the air for hours where there is no ventilation. What then?

The same thing that happens every flu season: I get mild symptoms for a few days and life goes on. I don't even miss work.

 

[Wayne Jr]

DId you see who did that "study". The same person who says you can sure cancer by just your diet. Yeah, I want to believe that waco instead of the scientists who said that up to 80% of covid spread could be stopped by everyone wearing masks. Are you people so wanting to support not wearing masks yoo would risk your health by listening to a waco instead of the real scientists. Pitiful.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Irwin Corey]

I'm pointing out a fact: there's no way everyone is at risk because the virus doesn't have a 100% mortality rate.

If you're mad because that fact kills your end of the world narrative, tough ****.

It's NOT an "end of the world narrative", it's a "being a responsible leader narrative". <-period

Mad? because of you? :2rofll:

 

[bullseyelqcs]

One nuke? No, everyone still isn't at risk.

Yes.....you are at risk until its determined you aren't. You aren't very good at this, are you?

Case in point......The DC sniper put the entire city at risk because nobody knew where he was going to strike next. Was he going to kill the entire population of the city by himself? Of course not....but that doesn't mean that the entire population wasn't at risk when he was on the loose.

By your rationale, gun owners who say they carry for protection can go ahead and give them up, since its super unlikely they would ever be at risk enough to use it. And yet they persist.

Wear a ****ing mask and stop being a petulant child.

 

[Rawley]

Actually those were based on studies, but you, like Trumpsters, will nver believe anything that either disagrees with Trump or your own opinion. Sad.

Nope. They didn't cite to one bit of scientific research that says masks are effective. Sorry that your hatred for the President prevents you from looking at this objectively.

 

[Rawley]

Some people here post crazy crap. You're one of them.

It's not worth debating them. They're not looking for a honest give and take. They just want to post craziness. It's the way of the world. Not everyone can be good/ sane/ honest.

Crazy crap like 'where's the science?' Sorry. given your posts 'an honest give and take' means agree with me and stop asking reasonable questions that I can't answer..

 

[Court Jester]

Since when does freedom mean the ability to break the law without consequence? That's not freedom, that's criminal. Criminals being free of responsibility is not freedom for anyone.

Give me a get out of jail free card or give me death?

That's not a thing.

Before a law can be valid it also need to moral, reasonable, and logical--- or why would a society follow it?

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure someone will say but in a representative democracy everyone has the opportunity to change the laws by changing the people who make the laws. Well, how did that work out for the African slaves, the American Indians during forced relocation, or more recently Japanese American who were put into internment camps?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Nope. They didn't cite to one bit of scientific research that says masks are effective. Sorry that your hatred for the President prevents you from looking at this objectively.

If I was an insurer, I would be sending out waivers to every person I covered to have them release me from having to pay for anything related to COVID if they weren't willing to take simple precautions to at least try not to catch it.

I bet lots of people would be singing different tunes under those circumstances.

 

[independentusa]

Then we have idiots like Clinton and Obama that strips the military of the weapons they need.

YOu apparently know nothing about the military. If you kno this for a fact, then give us a link or shut up. Just so you know I volutnered in 69 and come from a total military family.

 

[independentusa]

I'm pointing out a fact: there's no way everyone is at risk because the virus doesn't have a 100% mortality rate.

If you're mad because that fact kills your end of the world narrative, tough ****.

You do realize that many who do not die do have permanent injuries from Covid. That includes such things as lack of ability to walk, having toes removed, lung problems and other things. So not dying is not the only problem you can have when you get Covid. Read something about covid and stop just watching Fox News

 

[Wayne Jr]

This is true, but if this virus isn’t a big deal why is the President being tested daily and anyone who comes in close proximity to him must be tested as well?

Because he's the President.

 

[pocket aces]

You do realize that many who do not die do have permanent injuries from Covid. That includes such things as lack of ability to walk, having toes removed, lung problems and other things. So not dying is not the only problem you can have when you get Covid. Read something about covid and stop just watching Fox News

Hey you be quiet. He drives a truck. He obviously knows more than those doctor idiots.


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[Wayne Jr]

You sure?

Even if I were tested yesterday, I could have caught covid-19 at the gas station on the way home and won't know it for a few days, if ever. In the OP you asked for a number of deaths before I am willing to comply with masks, social distancing, and suppressing the economy. 2,625,600 in the US. That's how many people have to die directly from COVID-19 (not including comorbidity cases) in the United States before I will comply, and we're currently sitting at only 89,562 US deaths, including comorbidity cases. Globally, we're only at 315,187 covid-19 deaths, including comorbidity.

So, it's not likely I'll ever support removing anyone's freedom over covid-19.

 

[apdst]

Yes.....you are at risk until its determined you aren't. You aren't very good at this, are you?

Case in point......The DC sniper put the entire city at risk because nobody knew where he was going to strike next. Was he going to kill the entire population of the city by himself? Of course not....but that doesn't mean that the entire population wasn't at risk when he was on the loose.

By your rationale, gun owners who say they carry for protection can go ahead and give them up, since its super unlikely they would ever be at risk enough to use it. And yet they persist.

Wear a ****ing mask and stop being a petulant child.

Mind your business. That's what's wrong with Liberals: they're always up in everyone else's business.

 

[apdst]

It's NOT an "end of the world narrative", it's a "being a responsible leader narrative". <-period

Mad? because of you? :2rofll:

You dudes are pissed off because you're trying to exert some kind of percieved authority and most of the country is giving you the finger. :lamo

 

[Integrityrespec]

I really want to know how many deaths you are willing to cause to have your freedom to go and do as you want without face masks and social distancing. We have lowered the expected number of deaths by stay at home,masks and social distancing, but if we go back to life before the epidemic, there will be many more deaths and you may be the one to cause them. If you get the virus and never show signs, you could spread the disease to hundreds of people and if the death rate remains almost 6% of the number you infect will die. I read people cheering for those in Michigan who forced the elected legislature to close using guns to intimidate the elected representatives of the state. A majority wore no masks and the certainly did not socially distance, so I wonder how many will get the virus and spread it. When the gun toters came to the Wisconsin capital to protest, they did not force their way into the building, more than two dozen of those protesters now have the disease and you have to know they passed it to others before they had the signs of the disease show up. So how many of those protesters in Michigan will have the disease and how many people will they kill, perhaps including themselves, when they pass it on. So I ask you, how many people are you willing to send to their deaths so you can have your freedom?

I want to exercise my constitutional freedoms. Anyone who is afraid to go out can stay home.
I have a right to work and support my family and keep my business open for the future economic success of my family.
How many lives are you willing to ruin with the shutdown. We don't do this for flu, for traffic accidents, for cancer, for heart disease. So why Covid? It's BS. Lets open up, let those afraid stay home, and the rest of us go to work.
We haven't shuttered the grocery stores. How many lives of those grocery employees are you willing to sacrifice so you can buy toilet paper? You are say your life is more important than theirs when you support the food stores being open but nothing else.

 

[Irwin Corey]

You dudes are pissed off because you're trying to exert some kind of percieved authority and most of the country is giving you the finger. :lamo

Actually that's not true, we are not pissed off and most AmeriCANs prefer to continue social distancing and wear masks.