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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]


We're having a different conversation than you are, apparently. Whether it violates any law is the least of my concerns and is an appropriate discussion for the SCOTUS blog or something. As I said, and which is just obviously true, almost by definition a state sponsored act of evil or moral repugnance is often if not generally legal. I could cite a dozen examples from OUR history and so could you.
 

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Anyone who says "non-liberals" are racists is a moron. Moreover, guess what that makes someone who thinks all liberals are ******s because they have a conscience and the ability to use reason?

Do you really believe the **** you write? That's some ill-informed nonsense, if so. You might want to take a look at that before you continue exposing your thoughts the world.
 

You're the one that came in and acted all emotional about it, with your "are you calling me a *****?" crap...I see that as usual that was bluster, and just dishonest crap as usual with you libs...Why don't you go pick daisies, and stroke your cats.
 
The 'legal definition' was submitted by John Yoo who is a professor at Berkeley Law School and scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. He served in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel from 2001-03, where his work included reviewing the legality of CIA interrogation methods. Certainly his opinion should carry as much weight as any of the definitions you submitted. John Yoo: A torture report for the dustbin - NY Daily News
 

I realize that you say you do not know where the line is between torture and acceptable interrogation methods. That is certainly due to your never having earnestly thought about it but also to the fact that there is a continuum between asking questions over cake and coffee and withholding food and drink, while screaming at the captive for 78 hours on end. Just think about it for a while and try to free yourself of prejudice and presumption.
 
I edited it out, because people like you go running off to mommy and daddy over that ****....You saw it though so I accomplished my purpose....

Another ill-informed generalization. I could be wrong, you'd have to ask a mod, but even though people like you hide behind the internet and call me a *****, I don't think I've ever hit the "Report" button.

I don't really give a **** what some hack thinks of me.
 

Absolutely! WSS will never get that....He's too busy feeling slighted.
 

Good, go away then.
 
You'll not get an emotional response from me with your immature outburst. I'm a man.
 
"You won't mind if I don't believe you will you? I could not read a 6,000 page report in two days and I am pretty fast."
Okay. Here is the allegation:

Contrary to CIA representations to the Department of Justice, the CIA instructed personnel that the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah would take "precedence" over his medical care,^ resulting in the deterioration of a bullet wound Abu Zubaydah incurred during his capture. In at least two other cases, the CIA used its enhanced interrogation techniques despite warnings from CIA medical personnel that the techniques could exacerbate physical injuries.​

Here is some general rebuttal:

5. (U//FOUO) The Study has all the appearances of an authoritative history of CIA's RDI effort. As Chairman Feinstein announced to the press the day it was approved by the Committee, its authors had access to 6 million pages of records-most provided by CIA-and they cite more than 35,000 footnotes. However, although the Study contains an impressive amount of detail, it fails in significant and consequential ways to correctly portray and analyze that detail. Simply put, the Study tells part of the story of CIA's experience with RDI, but there are too many flaws for it to stand as the official record of the program. Those flaws stem from two basic limitations on the authors:
• (U//FOUO) A methodology that relied exclusively on a review of documents with no opportunity to interview participants, owing to the Department of Justice investigation of the program; and
• (U//FOUO) An apparent lack of familiarity with some of the ways the Agency analyzes and uses intelligence.​

The Democrat staffers who wrote this hit piece interviewed none of the participants from the directors, nor the planners, no the interrogators. But they did interview the slip and fall lawyers for the unlawful combatants. The authors knew the anti-American slant they were going for and they got it. They also have no idea how intelligence is created in the real world. They quoted from documents but did not seek to gain any context. Had they been interested in lessons learned they would have done so.

"Yes, whatever is in the report the treason is in releasing it. She intentionally damaged the United States and the Central Intelligence Agency. The damage is enormous and long lasting. She must be held accountable."
That's not grounds to arrest Feinstein for treason, sorry to burst your bubble there, Mr.Republican. If we are to hold anyone accountable, it's the CIA agents who allowed the torture to take place.
I believe it is. She has done more damage to the United States, by isolating the US, by demoralizing our allies, by giving substantial recruiting aid to the terrorists, including a likely increase in American Jihadists, as well as severely damaging the CIA in ways that will last for a few generations.

We will continue to disagree over interrogations being torture.
 

And you clearly can't read either....I'll quote it again...."...because people like you.." Now, would you like to return to the discussion, or do you want to continue this nonsense?
 
Absolutely! WSS will never get that....He's too busy feeling slighted.

You think I feel slighted? By two guys hiding behind the Internet calling people they know they'll never meet ******s? I'm laughing at you. You guys are joke. But, hey I can have fun with this. Since we're doing dumb generalizations, let's have fun. All liberals are ******s, while all conservatives are wife-beating, racist, imbread, fat pieces of ****, who too are ******s, because they are too ******s because they are too scared to represent their real views on social issues in public.

Though I don't actually believe my generalization because I have a brain.
 
And you clearly can't read either....I'll quote it again...."...because people like you.." Now, would you like to return to the discussion, or do you want to continue this nonsense?

If the people who are report are "like me", wouldn't that mean I do it too? Or is that logic too far over your head? LOL
 
You'll not get an emotional response from me with your immature outburst. I'm a man.

Yes, real men hide behind their computer and call 40% of the nation ******s. LOL

You're the ****ing definition of a real man. Hahahahahahaha

This is a sad conversation.
 
Good, go away then.

I'm not going anywhere. I'm having far too much fun watching you and Grant try to substantiate your pathetic claim that all liberals are ******s.

It's like watching a bird try to fly through a plate glass window over and over again.
 

To clarify indulge a few questions.

Which interrogation methods were not approved? How does releasing detailed information about the methods we use to break an individual's will to resist cooperating with us help to identify cases where interrogators need better guidelines? How does it help for the treasonous Dianne Feinstein, not yet charged, to gravely damage this nation's relationships with allied nation, while giving substantial propaganda aid to terrorist recruiting all while demoralizing the CIA?

The treasonous Feinstein, not yet charged, has done more damage to this nation than the terrorists have.
 

Eh, you never know do you? After all I only live about an hour and a half from you...But that aside, what makes your generalization any different from what you liberals call conservatives in one fashion or another every day, in every thread? And just for your edification, I don't have any problem what so ever voicing my views in public, and have done so many times...

But see, I do think you believe your generalization, just as much as I believe mine, because you came up with it, so you must think it. In fact it is dishonest to say you don't believe it, and therefore cements my theory that liberals are ******s....What did you say to me? (In a whinny voice)"If you say it you'd better mean it" :roll:

Now you're boring me....
 

Are you implying that unlawful combatants should have Constitutional rights?
You really should join the reality-based world.
I think it was to keep them out of the reach of people just like you.
 
National security is being compromised for domestic political gain, and everyone should realize that and rightly condemn it.
 
"I do not trust government. If a politician tells me something or if a bureaucrat tells me something I would not believe it for a moment.

But I do believe a process whose intent is to determine who is dangerous to us and who is not will work reasonably well given that it is our interest to make that determination. If it were not so we would have tens of thousands of prisoners and not just a few. Most were caught, documented, evaluated and released."
You do not trust the government but you believe every word out of Lyin' Dick's mouth? Good heavens you are conflicted. :shock:
It is clear you made it to the very end of the first sentence. But that is about as far as you made it before you were compelled to respond.

I understand. Sometimes reading two paragraphs is just too hard.
 

Good thing I know you don't have the mental aptitude to read a map and get here. But hey, congrats for making to the next step of the Internet Tough Guy: threatening to drive to the person (well hinting at it because we all know you won't actually come out and call me a ***** directly or directly threaten me online). You are quickly heading to the Internet Tough Guy Hall of Fame.
 



I'm not implying anything, I said what I said and that's the end of it. :roll:
 

:lamo what ever....Child.
 

Yes. We made them uncomfortable in ways that played upon their worst fears. In addition we made them believe that this was how it would be for the rest of their lives. This technique works.

One can never tell exactly where the limits of discomfort will lead one. We want the information we have. If someone gets excited and has a heart attack we want to keep them alive until they have nothing left to tell us.

In another thread Garner was made briefly uncomfortable. He got excited, had a heart attack and died an hour after his discomfort.

Are you aware that we also have lawyers who advise decision-makers?
 
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