joG
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Take no more prisoners?
13 years, with no evidence that he was a combatant. The war ended in October. That's what I'm saying, kill him or let him go, holding him indefinitely for no given reason is wrong.
What about those not captured anywhere near any 'battlefield' which in the War on Terror (TM) is any random city street anywhere in the ME?
And it's nice to know you support targeting innocent civilians, kids and whatnot, so long as some are guilty. OBL would agree with you. And ISIS agrees with you on the public executions. Good to know you'd like us to descend to their level. And I can't see a downside of perhaps 1,000 public, televised executions.... Good ideas all.
Well, we can debate whether with perfect hindsight it was the right thing to do, but I'll gladly concede that the times have changed and that those who approved the program were acting with honest motives - to get information needed to protect the U.S. and our people here and abroad.
What worries me, or is a problem IMO, is the attempts to whitewash it and pretend that it was something other than what it was. I don't favor prosecuting anyone for what happened, but I find it abhorrent to cheer it as something we should be proud of or ready to do again. This was torture, and we need to decide if we're a country where torture is accepted as a legitimate interrogation technique.
We made people uncomfortable. I am sure this makes you uncomfortable. Isn't it time to grow up?
You make good points. By now they should have all be released or executed.
Or left in detention with life sentences.
Nah, I disagree. These are either the worst of the worst or they don't belong there. Death or release and that should have happened no more than a year after they were first captured. If we can't drain them of info and/or determine their status as enemies of the US in that period of time, release them or tribunal and death.
Maybe they do need a reminder.
The ones that got to Guantanamo were the very worst. Thousands of the small fish who were captured overseas were questioned and released. It was only where thorough investigation showed there was substantial, reliable evidence that a person was involved in hostile acts against the U.S. that he was sent to Guantanamo. Detainees the U.S. released, for whatever reason, have gone on to murder many dozens of innocent people. We should just have hanged the dirty sons of bitches as a lesson to anyone else who might be thinking about crossing the U.S., and been done with it.
Just after WWII, the U.S. Navy unceremoniously hanged almost 1,000 Japanese who had been convicted of war crimes in the Far East Tribunals. Because the Navy had no recent experience with hangings, a professional British hangman had to be brought in from Singapore. As one of the Americans recalled, he liked to get close to the criminal's ear and whisper, "Hello there, lad. D'ya know what I'm going to do? I'm going to break your f---ing neck!" I once saw a great photo of a U.S. serviceman giving a thumbs up sign as, a few feet away, a Japanese camp guard who had for years sadistically tortured him and his buddies took the drop with a noose around his neck. These lousy jihadist bastards deserve no better. To the Devil with them.
Why do you think that the G.W. Bush mis-administration sent detainees to Gitmo?
If you don't know, I'll give you a clue: Because it was outside of the USA and detainees held there wouldn't have the rights that they would have in any U.S. territory.
You really should join the reality-based world.
This sharp difference between torture done TO us versus non-torture done BY us. Same technique, same purpose, same result, but.... DIFFERENT!!
BTW, I'm joking here on this thread for the most part, but this myth that our waterboarding is somehow less barbaric than that done TO us is the most pathetic argument in defense of the program of any. At least the sadists and other torture cheerleaders have the courage of their convictions. You're hiding behind a fiction so you don't have to admit what some of the others do. If you defend waterboarding, no matter how the propagandists on our side present it, you support torture.
Obviously CNN and the American left.
I do not trust government. If a politician tells me something or if a bureaucrat tells me something I would not believe it for a moment.
But I do believe a process whose intent is to determine who is dangerous to us and who is not will work reasonably well given that it is our interest to make that determination. If it were not so we would have tens of thousands of prisoners and not just a few. Most were caught, documented, evaluated and released.
We've heard this crap from ones who were released and returned to their terrorist ways.
Behead him and get it over with. 8)
I don't consider water boarding as practiced by the US to have been torture. But make no mistake, if incontrovertible torture were the difference between victory and defeat, or between successful and unsuccessful defense of the US, then I would be wholeheartedly in favor of it. The moral shortcoming is among those who would limit what they would do to defend our country or secure victory.
I've already provided reports from the time...He was waterboarded 5 times...But I suspect that you don't care if you were being dishonest about it anyway.
But that's a creation of something that hasn't existed, doesn't exist, and there's no likelihood of it existing.
As dfor what you consider waterboarding to be or not to be isn't the issue. The US and the rest of the world has considered it torture. That Bush and his people got some to accept their redefinition just suggests to me that those who bought it were willing to suspend their disbelief like we do for any good fiction.
Your assertion was that human rights are overrated. I assume that was meant sarcastically. Regardless, the proposition opens another discussion.
You are wishing the world away.
No, I'm mocking your statement that prisoners of a certain category have no rights. Maybe they don't, but if you approve of us behaving as if our detainees have no rights, then all our talk of human rights and the rest is just a nice bedtime story we tell ourselves to pretend we're somehow different than our enemies.
You do realize you have it completely wrong when Kobie likes it, don't you?
We made people uncomfortable. We did it so they would tell us what they knew about future attacks. You do remember what happened on September 11? Did you go to the streets and pass out candy to the children?
Sigh. They have control of oil fields. Do I really give you far more credit than is due?
Ah, so you are not an actual medical doctor. You simply play one on the Internet. Thanks for playing!
You are welcome to your interpretation. Interrogations are not intended to be pleasant.
I am pretty pleased to be me. You see, I progressed from childhood into adulthood. I encourage you to do the same.
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