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Yet far more common in this country than in any developed nation on earth
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/03/18/us/ap-us-sibling-shooting-video-game.html
Jesus, what an absolutely tragic story. Yet more evidence to suggest that, actually, your family is less safe with firearms in the house than without. A reminder that guns, (unlike swimming pools), have the potential to escalate situations in a deadly manner.
I wouldn't wish this on any parent (or child) in the world - but I sincerely hope that the parents are taking full responsibility for their negligence in leaving an unsecured firearm in their home.
edit: Link appears to be behind a paywall for some so found a couple others:
Sheriff: Girl shot by boy dies
Girl Shot In The Head By Her Brother During Argument Over Video Game Controller
Yup, he should have. Dad taught my sister and I how to properly use a gun.
That it's not something that the vast majority of 9 year-olds would ever think of doing.
I can bring it back on topic while tying in a little of what I mean.
Clearly what happened in the story of the OP is a tragedy. And, the root cause of said tragedy is a child who lacked restraint or understanding had easy access to a gun, He used it. For whatever reason, he used it. And, now his sister is dead.
The argument made which drew me into the conversation was that having guns in the home increases the likelihood of the occurrence of such tragedies. My contribution was that the risk of having the gun in the home often outweighs the advantages, as evidenced by statistics which show that guns in the home are more likely to kill a family member than an intruder. However, as with most things, there is always a caveat. An abused woman would certainly be better off armed than not. And, if she kills her domestic abuser in self defense, the statistics will paint that positive in a negative light.
See: your signature.
Statistics show that a gun in the home of a lady who is being abused is far more likely to have it used against her than by her.
You also have to factor in that we have wayyyyy more guns per capita than any other nation on earth.
OK? Everyone does make mistakes. What about it?
The Pro and Anti gun nuts are just that NUTS. They seem to believe that everyone should be constantly armed, or no should be armed.
Your statement of "There is a 99.999% chance that I will never do anything unsafe with firearms." I disagree completely. I don't know the number but I am absolutely certain that more than .001% of gun owners use guns in some way that is unsafe.
The idea that people on both sides have that either all guns and gun owners are perfectly fine and safe or none are is why we as a country will spend more time arguing than discussing anything that will lead to actual desirable results.
"Yet more evidence" is accurate. Had to leave a bunch off because I went over 5k limit, on just links.
Man kills baby and 2 family members in Brooklyn home - NY Daily News
1-year-old boy killed in accidental shooting - FOX10 News | WALA
One Year Old boy shoots himself when his mother goes into the backyard for a moment, gun really made her home safer.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news...ear-old-boy-shot-little-sister-multiple-times
Gun was stored separate from the ammunition, 8 year old loaded it and shot sister multiple times. Gun sure made this home safer.
http://kstp.com/news/guns-ammunition-seized-student-vadnais-heights/4811241/
Kid threatens another kid, cops investigate, find his parents own a collection of unsecured fire arms easily accessible to a minor. Super safe...
Child fatally shot while sleeping after party across the street gets out of control, family says
Neighbor kid, 5 years old, shot by a stray bullet in an altercation next door. If a baseball bat, or a bbq fork would have been used, this kid would be alive. Guns sure did make her safer.
http://www.kcbd.com/story/37468813/...g-at-mcdonalds-drive-thru-has-been-identified
Kid is shot at a mcdonalds drive thru by his brother, accidentally, when he pulled out a gun he found. Guns sure did make this kid safer.
http://www.wkyc.com/article/news/lo...gun-on-board-alliance-school-bus/95-516774083
5 year old finds his grandmothers hand gun takes it on a school bus to show his friend. Real safe there.
https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law...ed-gun-georgia-school/3U4A7dDofdm01mf9CtwDlL/
6 year old finds an unloaded gun, takes it to school. Good thing he didn't think to load it like the boy a couple links up. I'm sure his parents are congratulating themselves now for not keeping it loaded.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nat...his-Year-Are-Teens-or-Children-472214283.html
Gun. Home. So safe. Her father died from getting shot to, that's an established medical family history of getting shot.
http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Student-brings-unloaded-gun-to-Hartsfield-Elementary-472304723.html
Another case of a kid bringing a gun to school for show and tell. This time a third grader. Guns are just so safe to have in the home...
https://www.chron.com/news/article/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Three kids, shot themselves in the home within a week, in TX. Who actually has laws about securing guns around kids. Those three homes were just super safe.
http://gephardtdaily.com/top-stories/4-year-old-boy-critically-injured-in-accidental-shooting/
4 Years old, climbs the shelf in the closet finds a gun, shoots himself. His home was safe as can be thanks to that gun.
http://abc13.com/police-4-year-old-dead-after-accidentally-shooting-himself/2996815/?sf180472795=1
Another four year old, found a gun in grandma's bedroom. I wonder how many burglaries she had to fend off to make her grandson dying worth having that gun. So safe.
http://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/toddler-fatally-shot-in-fort-worth-home/285-511407222
Three year old this time, found a gun in the bedroom, shot himself. Such a safe home.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/10...north-charlotte-shooting-police-say/683744523
http://www.macon.com/news/local/education/article194121279.html
https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...eport-shooting-dayton/zXr3dT54k9pGNMKRgX74BK/
Yep, it is terrible when the adults that buy, and own guns don't have the sense to store, and secure them properly....Why does that mean that people like myself, and you who may have the common sense to own them responsibly, that we should abdicate our rights?
Are you ****in blind? Or are you just that much a leftist? You don’t think democrats introduced legislation. Following those incidents? New York passed AR bans within days following Sandy Hook. Connecticut passed new laws...already one of the most rest octave states got worse. California...FFS do you even have a CLUE what it is like in California? And the only reason...the ONLY reason they don’t attempt to do more nationally is because gun owners stand against it. Well...MOST gun owners.
You are the gun banners best ****ing friend. Just the tip. They promised you...just the tip.
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Yep, it is terrible when the adults that buy, and own guns don't have the sense to store, and secure them properly....Why does that mean that people like myself, and you who may have the common sense to own them responsibly, that we should abdicate our rights?
Your constant need to default into defining the other as simply an anti-gun leftist is probably why you maintain such an obtuse position and fail to make argument. Allow me to help you into the discussion...
1) It was clear enough that I was talking about a Washington push to create ban laws in the House and in the Senate after one event to the next. For example, Canada, as a nation, just introduced new gun control measures. What you are talking about here is a matter of states rights and unless you live in California, New York, or Connecticut, what they do is really none of your business. You simply choose to default into the position of idealized victim as you imagine a domino effect right into your bedroom nightstand. You should only be concerned with your state and the national law. And since Washington did not seek to ban your guns after Sandy Hook, Aurora, or Vegas, while "responsible" gun owners demanded no preventative action, it is you who may want to get a clue about what is growing.
2) The ONLY reason they don't attempt to go extreme, is that Democrats are also gun owners; and there hasn't been nearly enough blood shed. Apparently, even 600 shot in Vegas wasn't enough to address the bump stock/fire work-around to existing automatic weapons rules as your kind immediately jumped to the extreme that your delusional leftist army is about to kick your door in and steal your toys.
3) Your "just the tip" or slippery slope argument is ignorant because it defies both the American culture and the American history. I will spare you my digression, because it involves an actual understanding of history, for which you have shown to have only a passing or selective interest in when it suits your need to dismiss a present day issue.
4) In the mean time...another school shooting, huh? This one in Maryland? While certainly not a mass shooting since it appears to have been a targeted affair, it is yet another example. Some kid had acces to his "responsible" dad's gun, stole it easy enough, and went to school. The anti-gun crowd just grew again. And your response? Nothing. You, and your kind, are demanding to self-fulfill your own prophesy of doom. One day, like Canada, the U.S. will have enough of this growing mess; and the "leftist" side you are so very petrified of, will have the power to actually hurt your feelings.
I'm not sure I support these measures. [SNIP ~ I read it all].
One of the best posts I have read in a while. As I have said many times you can have guns and reasonable gun control. And you shouldYour constant need to default into defining the other as simply an anti-gun leftist is probably why you maintain such an obtuse position and fail to make argument. Allow me to help you into the discussion...
1) It was clear enough that I was talking about a Washington push to create ban laws in the House and in the Senate after one event to the next. For example, Canada, as a nation, just introduced new gun control measures. What you are talking about here is a matter of states rights and unless you live in California, New York, or Connecticut, what they do is really none of your business. You simply choose to default into the position of idealized victim as you imagine a domino effect right into your bedroom nightstand. You should only be concerned with your state and the national law. And since Washington did not seek to ban your guns after Sandy Hook, Aurora, or Vegas, while "responsible" gun owners demanded no preventative action, it is you who may want to get a clue about what is growing.
2) The ONLY reason they don't attempt to go extreme, is that Democrats are also gun owners; and there hasn't been nearly enough blood shed. Apparently, even 600 shot in Vegas wasn't enough to address the bump stock/fire work-around to existing automatic weapons rules as your kind immediately jumped to the extreme that your delusional leftist army is about to kick your door in and steal your toys.
3) Your "just the tip" or slippery slope argument is ignorant because it defies both the American culture and the American history. I will spare you my digression, because it involves an actual understanding of history, for which you have shown to have only a passing or selective interest in when it suits your need to dismiss a present day issue.
4) In the mean time...another school shooting, huh? This one in Maryland? While certainly not a mass shooting since it appears to have been a targeted affair, it is yet another example. Some kid had acces to his "responsible" dad's gun, stole it easy enough, and went to school. The anti-gun crowd just grew again. And your response? Nothing. You, and your kind, are demanding to self-fulfill your own prophesy of doom. One day, like Canada, the U.S. will have enough of this growing mess; and the "leftist" side you are so very petrified of, will have the power to actually hurt your feelings.
And this is why, dear Airman, I demand that actual responsible gun owners get out ahead of this crap and take charge instead of behaving as if nothing can be done and that this exponentially growing problem is simply the price of liberty and freedom. In the mean time, you default to "leftist" nonsense as an argument.
This is my point. You may not support this measure. But you might have supported something less had it been introduced years ago.
We, in America, the great land of freedom and liberty, are so engrossed with our personal ideologies that we refuse to do even the smallest and obvious things. ONe day we will look kback and wished we had done the simple before the extreme became an option.
But I can't convince these yahoos of this. As this anti-gun crowd grows with every new mass shooting spree, the anti-gun crowd grows. For example, who was cutting their AR-15s in half last year? What companies were shoving the NRA to the side last year? How many students were walking out of class rooms last year? Gun owners are losing ground and they are losing it because they are refusing to take charge of it. And who does that leave? The "leftists" are coming, the "leftists" are coming!" In the end, the "leftists" will come. Again, they are far to engrossed with their own personal ideologies and what they have chosen to define them. The safety of their kids don't define them of their society. Responsible gun ownership and a responsible Second Amendment doesn't define them or their society. The simple gun does.
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