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Getting harder to justify mandates

funny, when almost everything Trump has ever said has been taken out of context by the Anti- Trumpers and MSM
By all means... give us the context of this COVID quote:

“when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” - Donald Trump​
 
funny, when almost everything Trump has ever said has been taken out of context by the Anti- Trumpers and MSM
Please provide the context of this Trump phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State:

“So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”​
"So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.”​
 
By all means... give us the context of this COVID quote:

“when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” - Donald Trump​
He is saying when you have 15 people, and the 15 withhin a couple of dayis is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done.
 
Why do you continue to say this even though it is untrue? Do you really think that 80 plus prevention against severe illness is " nearly useless"?
80 plus prevention? What are you talking about? Which vaccine, after which dose, and for how long?

Omicron is here right now and expected to peak this month in the U.S., maybe in as little as two weeks. If the covid virus acts as viruses do, further variants should be increasingly mild and extremely contagious. What value do you see in mandating a vaccine to the unvaccinated - right now - in order to keep one's job? That person beginning vaccinations wouldn't even be up to having 2 dose protection until late Feb or March. The vaccine is not stopping spread (at all) so why would a person be fired for not having it?
If they (the unvaccinated worker) were to get omicron, they will likely miss no more than 5 days of work (per the new CDC guidelines), they'll spread it to coworkers whether vaccinated with 1, 2, 3, or 4 doses or not vaccinated at all, and (if they get omicron) they'll have natural immunity which will likely be as good as vaccine immunity is against the current covid variant. We have a HUGE shortage of workers and what good will Biden's mandate (to get vaccinated or lose your job) do right now (beginning in Jan 2022)? It makes absolutely no sense at this point - and it obviously never would have made sense for a vaccine/work mandate since that was always about not spreading it to coworkers!
In this thread, you are strongly arguing the topic of the one remaining potential vaccine benefit - that it helps prevent serious illness. When it comes to now (omicron) and work (concern of spreading it to coworkers) and the mildness of the omicron variant - your argument doesn't hold any validity about a mandate to be vaccinated in order to keep one's job. It's an outdated argument you are desperately trying to hold onto. All a work mandate would accomplish - would be to function as a punishment to workers who opted not to follow an order (an order which won't accomplish a workplace goal of preventing spread) and function as a punishment to employers who desperately need workers - especially when so many vaccinated workers are needing to take time off due to having covid!!!!
 

Looking more and more like omicron is far less dangerous and little different than what we always deal with.

Time to move on. I know the control freaks will not give up on their goal to get everyone the seal of Mordor, but I doubt it's going to happen now.

Once omicron sweeps through and dies back, future spikes will be less and less in terms of numbers and danger as immunity widens.

The pandemic is over. Some of The left will start declaring this soon, they have no choice.

Let's be clear, it seems to be less lethal but not less dangerous unless you ignore the sheer volume, which you would not do as that would be ignorant.

And another thing I don't get. Why are deaths he only metric TRumptards use?

I want no part of a disease that will likely cause me the greatest suffering of my life but when still consider not serious because it doesn't hospitalize me.

and, I want to be able to go the the hospital for my hip replacement and ACL repair. I want to go get a blood test without coming into contact with Covid. I want to go to the dentist and not be playing the odds.

The pandemic is worse now than ever. There are some good omens for the future. Starting about mid March.
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Know what you post about in the future. Thanks.
 
He is saying when you have 15 people, and the 15 withhin a couple of dayis is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done.
Exactly. So was this bullshit taken out of context or were you just lying to try and white knight for your messiah?
 

Looking more and more like omicron is far less dangerous and little different than what we always deal with.

Time to move on. I know the control freaks will not give up on their goal to get everyone the seal of Mordor, but I doubt it's going to happen now.

Once omicron sweeps through and dies back, future spikes will be less and less in terms of numbers and danger as immunity widens.

The pandemic is over. Some of The left will start declaring this soon, they have no choice.
Democrats need to fan the hysteria one more year so they can steal another election.
 
What's Covid? Is it that thing about a year ago that only 15 people had that soon was down to zero?

They are speaking of the one that shut down the world economy, caused hyperinflation, caused supply shortages, lowered life expectancy by two years as of 365 days ago, I am sure another two years have been lapped off since, should I go on?
 
No it won’t the SC will toss it.
What do you mean "toss it"? They are scheduled to hear oral arguments on Friday. Do you think they'll hear those arguments and then toss it, leaving the appeals court's decisions as they are?
 

80 plus prevention? What are you talking about? Which vaccine, after which dose, and for how long?
There you go again ignoring the salient point and misrepresenting what I said

What I said was :

Do you think that 80 % plus prevention against severe illness is " nearly useless"
You just leave out the word severe and then go on a tirade about spread which I have acknowledged the vaccines are not effective in preventing. As I said before, it is interesting how those bucking against the vaccines, including boosters, just want to ignore their efficacy on severe illness and just parrot Fox talking heads. Guess they don't talk about serious illness and hospitalization much....it doesn't sell as well as keeping the base riled up.
 
Friday will be a most interesting time for SCOTUS to be hearing oral arguments about mandates, when the value of vaccines has become nearly useless with omicron.
I wouldn't count on the SC to declare them unconstitutional. It's been a bit unpredictable ever since Roberts was seated.
 
Democrats know that lockdowns and mandates are a losing platform, which is why last week, the song sheet that they ALL were singing from included omicron as the flu, and open schools. Now, Biden will have to deal with the monster he created: teachers unions and organization, which are marching in lock step to keep students out of school.
Feb. 1, the public is done.
They have backed themselves into an interesting corner with their desire to mandate. I read this morning that at least 70 universities are opening the new semester online rather than in person. And you're right about the teacher's unions and what that will mean for K-12. It's a mess, the vaccines aren't preventing spread (in schools or in the workplace), and Dems can't decide whether to go with the narrative that omicron is mild or omicron is causing severe illness and death. And SCOTUS will be hearing oral arguments about workplace mandates on Friday. Quite a corner/dilemma liberals have put themselves in, all do to their desire/need to control and mandate.
 
"Vote for me! I have a plan to shut the virus down! And I'm not Trump!" No, Joe Biden didn't have a plan. He didn't even have a plan for testing and therapeutics, go so far as to shut down offers to ramp up tests for the predictable spike in winter.
I don't think Biden remembers that 3 months ago...
Fixed it for you.
 
Except that is not what he said.

I find it more than amusing how much Trumpers are focusing on this one line taken out of context during a Biden campaign speech when Trump deliberately lied to them about Covid over and over and over!
Yes, it is what he said.

"I'll put in place a plan to deal with this pandemic responsibly, I've already done it. I'm not going to shut down the country, I'm not going to shut down the economy, but I'm going to shut down the virus"

 
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Democrats need to fan the hysteria one more year so they can steal another election.
They will continue to squeeze as much juice out this "crisis" that the MSM will let them get away with. They're too stupid to realize their strategy is too old to win, but they've got nothing else to go with.
 
I'll put in place a plan to deal with this pandemic responsibly, I've already done it. I'm not going to shut down the country, I'm not going to shut down the economy, but I'm going to shut down the virus"
Agreed, that is what he said. Refreshing to see it in context.....
 
Why do you continue to say this even though it is untrue? Do you really think that 80 % plus prevention against severe illness is " nearly useless"?

There you go again ignoring the salient point and misrepresenting what I said

What I said was :


You just leave out the word severe and then go on a tirade about spread which I have acknowledged the vaccines are not effective in preventing. As I said before, it is interesting how those bucking against the vaccines, including boosters, just want to ignore their efficacy on severe illness and just parrot Fox talking heads. Guess they don't talk about serious illness and hospitalization much....it doesn't sell as well as keeping the base riled up.
No, I didn't ignore anything. I quoted your entire post and asked a very reasonable question about what, specifically, you are referring to when you write "80 % plus prevention". What are you referring to?
 
I wouldn't count on the SC to declare them unconstitutional. It's been a bit unpredictable ever since Roberts was seated.
I'm not counting on that, at all. SCOTUS has a job to determine whether the mandates pass constitutional muster. I certainly don't know if they will declare them unconstitutional.
 
What do you mean "toss it"? They are scheduled to hear oral arguments on Friday. Do you think they'll hear those arguments and then toss it, leaving the appeals court's decisions as they are?
Vaccine mandates are constitutional. If the SC says ok no mandates it goes against the last 60 years. Polio small pox etc woukd still be running rabid. Politics are out of control.
 
Yes, and it's not just the states; it's the cities and counties that are popping up, still wanting schools to shut down.
Chicago, I believe.
Are all the GOP booking cruises today? If this is all bs right?
 
funny, when almost everything Trump has ever said has been taken out of context by the Anti- Trumpers and MSM

Can you name some things he has said that you believe were unfairly taken out of context?
 
. I quoted your entire post and asked a very reasonable question about what, specifically, you are referring to when you write "80 % plus prevention". What are you referring to?
That is untrue! You did not quote my entire post...you deliberately left out the words against severe illness

I said :

Do you really think that 80 % plus prevention against severe illness is " nearly useless"?


You said

80 plus prevention? What are you talking about? Which vaccine, after which dose, and for how long?
...leaving off the severe illness part is not quoting my entire post. Stop being dishonest .
 
Agreed, that is what he said. Refreshing to see it in context......a plan to deal with it respons8bky
Well, he didn't shut down the virus, he didn't have any plan which is working out, and I don't see anything in his approach as proving to be responsible.
 
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