Getting Freaky with the Talmud

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Firstly, people are aware of your agenda and don't want to feed into it.

And the same can be said about certain Muslim verses we see posted--yet we have alot of feeders of this and for some reason you cannot call them racist and phobic--I'm sure you have commented to them that it's a Foolish Post and set them straight--show me that link.

that the Talmud is constantly being reinnterpretted in order to reflect modern times.

LOL. I like that one, sure even the Bible is--to keep up with the times. Funny, are we also saying the Koran is also being re-interpreted?

With rabinical study and reevaluation, these are not things that Jews follow, andy longer.

I didn't know you were a rabbi. Do they still burn the New Testament in Israel?

A Jewish school on Tuesday expressed regret for holding a public burning of a copy of the New Testament, saying the event was a demonstration for students against Christian proselytizing efforts. Israeli School Regrets Burning New Testament.

I guess this School wasn't with the new interpretations.

The term anti-Semite is used to describe anti-Jewish sentiments. It is not ignorant to do this.

? So those who call themselves Jews have semite blood and Arab Muslims have semitic blood and yet the term 'anti-semite' can only be used to describe it against Jews? I don't recall the term "Anti-Semitic" used for Muslims--what a sweetheart deal. Say either Anti-Muslim or Anti-Jew.

Don't have time to address this one, right now.

DP has and we still have plenty of time at: http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...genetic-dna-proves-jews-arent-isrealites.html not one person has posted any evidence contrary--though they have driveled and trolled alot on it.

Completely false. The OT is the Torah. Jews absolutely believe in it. Show evidence of your claim, or retract.

Didn't you hear Face of Jacob?

You can't understand the Torah without the Talmud at all.

Do Christians use the Talmud to understand the OT? Nope.

"The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the laws of Moses." -Rabbi Issael, Rabbi Chasbar, et. al.

"The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah Himself asks the opinion of the earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven." -Rabbi Menechen Commentary on Fifth Book

"Jehovah Himself studies the Talmud standing, he has such respect for that book." -Tract Mechillo

Yes, there have been other horrific holocausts.

And???? Your setting this straight on DP? Show me your many posted Thread starters and replies to the other less important genocides.

Your facts are an attempt to take facts and spin them towards your agenda. I have shown your facts, when placed in the appropriate context, show a different outcome.

You have the power of the masses on your side--yes. And this decides the outcome--not logic.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

And the same can be said about certain Muslim verses we see posted--yet we have alot of feeders of this and for some reason you cannot call them racist and phobic--I'm sure you have commented to them that it's a Foolish Post and set them straight--show me that link.

Check the 'I am Palestine' thread in the MidEast Forum, for one...sorry, you lose.

LOL. I like that one, sure even the Bible is--to keep up with the times. Funny, are we also saying the Koran is also being re-interpreted?

The Koran is not the focus here. The Talmud is. My position stands.

I didn't know you were a rabbi. Do they still burn the New Testament in Israel? I guess this School wasn't with the new interpretations.

Straw man. Irrelevant except to extremists, or to those attempting to use it to prove an extreme, overgeneralized position. Poor debating.

? So those who call themselves Jews have semite blood and Arab Muslims have semitic blood and yet the term 'anti-semite' can only be used to describe it against Jews? I don't recall the term "Anti-Semitic" used for Muslims--what a sweetheart deal. Say either Anti-Muslim or Anti-Jew.

This is a sematic issue which you are trying to spin. Accurate or not, you know that this is how the term is used. Your presentation of inaccuracy and ignorance is both wrong is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

DP has and we still have plenty of time at: http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...genetic-dna-proves-jews-arent-isrealites.html not one person has posted any evidence contrary--though they have driveled and trolled alot on it.

I try not to post on threads that are troll threads right from the OP, which this one was. Your agenda and seeming inability to hear viewpoints that don't adhere to your narrow view of things preclude my desire to spend time exploring this part of this issue. I see no reason to spend any excess time on this.

Didn't you hear Face of Jacob? Do Christians use the Talmud to understand the OT? Nope.

You do understand that Judaism and Christianity have different belief systems regarding the OT, correct?

And???? Your setting this straight on DP? Show me your many posted Thread starters and replies to the other less important genocides.

Haven't seen any. Pehaps you need to worry more about your posting rather than mine.

You have the power of the masses on your side--yes. And this decides the outcome--not logic.

Standard anti-Semetic rhetoric. Nothing new here.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Still no condemnation--just my agenda card you use--very sad. Your not post on troll thread is just an avoidance--a cop out. Your agenda is very clear--say the Jews don't believe in it anymore.

Standard anti-Semetic rhetoric. Nothing new here.

Standard Sheep avoiding Rhetoric--nothing new here.

What both of these threads show is that rhetoric in the hands of extremists foster anger, hate, and produce stereotypes and predjudices.

Is this the knockout quote you had in mind? So you talk of Jewish extremists, Black extremists, White liberal extremists huh? Your just the all the around hero aren't you?

I am CaptainCourtesy, DP superhero, destroyer of extremists, master of exposing the logicl fallacy, winner of the 'Nicest' award, Presidential candidate on not one, not two, but three occassions, Leader of several planets you've never heard of, nor would be welcome on, and, most importantly, an all-around-cool dude.

But you just said you don't reply to certain Threads--how are you going to be a hero for someone(s) if your avoiding them? Selective Hero. All around Cool dude eh? I seen these cool dudes in combat and in training--dropouts or floppers. Since I have finally found the DP Superhero you can finally give me the answer I have posed to other DP high post counters which gave me no response--you called me an anti-semite--let's see if I can call you an anti-white; fail--your a racist.

California, Texas, NM and AZ --official govt. census numbers give whites the minority status for these states. Do we have Al Franken, Rush Limburger, Conservatives, Democrats, any organization, civil rights groups trying to give minority status that would invoke all the privileges of what we give to other minority’s in other states? Nope. Why? Racism. Imagine an analogous organization for whites that the NAACP has done for coloreds. A racist immediately understands giving special minority rights to a white racial class is nauseous and is wrong--just like what your feeling right know--but you won‘t admit it.. DP has in majority the status of racists as most forums have as well as most Americans of any color. Tell me Sherlock, how do your resolve this racist issue for ya? Besides just hiding in the masses? LOL.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Still no condemnation--just my agenda card you use--very sad. Your not post on troll thread is just an avoidance--a cop out. Your agenda is very clear--say the Jews don't believe in it anymore.

Actually, my 'don't post on a troll thread' comment is a decision to not involve myself in threads that serve no purpose other then to incite. Occasionally, I will chose to post on one; usually to expose the trollish or hidden agenda of the OP...as I've done here. Mostly, the ease of doing that bores me, so I chose not to.

Standard Sheep avoiding Rhetoric--nothing new here.

Nope. Exposed your position in one sentance. Your dodgnig response only shows your complicity with it.

Is this the knockout quote you had in mind? So you talk of Jewish extremists, Black extremists, White liberal extremists huh? Your just the all the around hero aren't you?

You asked for a thread, I provided one. It is sad that you are unable to lose with any grace at all. Your mocking tone only shows your defeat and embaressment of that defeat.

But you just said you don't reply to certain Threads--how are you going to be a hero for someone(s) if your avoiding them? Selective Hero. All around Cool dude eh? I seen these cool dudes in combat and in training--dropouts or floppers. Since I have finally found the DP Superhero you can finally give me the answer I have posed to other DP high post counters which gave me no response--you called me an anti-semite--let's see if I can call you an anti-white; fail--your a racist.

Show evidence that I am anti-white. I'll happily engage you on this issue, under one condition. Since you have questioned my fairness in posting, and you have avoided my 'agenda' comments towards you, my condition is this. Either admit your agenda or dispel it. You should be able to do the latter easily, if it's true. Show me one post where you defend Judaism against extremist comments or one post where you say something positive about Judaism or Jews.

Come on NSP. Admit your agenda, or dispel it with evidence. Take responsibility and show integrity for your position.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Show evidence that I am anti-white.

LOL. No response about the minorities in CA-TX-NM-AZ, proves it so far. What is the SuperHero trying avoid?

avoided my 'agenda' comments towards you, my condition is this.

I gave my three agenda points; what's your agenda? The destroyer of extremists? That great middle of the Road guy? No such thing. Name your agenda on what your trying to promote here.

Show me one post where you defend Judaism against extremist comments

Defend what? What posts are you talking about? Sure Judaism has extremists and not all see the same way in their general religion--my main gist is in what the Talmud gives; what all the Jews really believe or think I haven't a clue--but yes, some take a literal interpretation of the Talmud especially in the more Traditional sects.

“The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe — whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists — we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.” — Herman Wouk, This is My God; the Jewish Way of Life.

Let's look at some of these people who take it literal:

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS "60 Minutes", "Kahane").

Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against "goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

or one post where you say something positive about Judaism or Jews.

So people who don't say anything postive about Muslims are what? Anti-Muslim? Nothing Positive about White Christians are what? Anti-White Christian? Should I go through every DP member and see if they have said something positive about every race and religion and label them to your stereotypes? Childish. I realize your upset because you thought you were just going to post and prove it all wrong easily and logically--sometimes we just bite off more than we can chew. 2wave:

 

[Tashah]

DP has and we still have plenty of time at: http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...genetic-dna-proves-jews-arent-isrealites.html not one person has posted any evidence contrary--though they have driveled and trolled alot on it.

Bingo! I remember that thread now. Another trolling effort by you. I also remember exposing your anti-Jewish agenda in Post #4....

I noticed you didn't leave a link Navy Seal Patriot. Embarassed?

You can find the above article here: White Nation Network

Warren Erulian is also a regular contributor at stormfront.org/, officialprussianblue.net/, whiterevolution.com/, murschhauser.net/, aryan-nation.org, and dozens of other white supremicist and hate websites.

You can learn a lot about a person by the websites they frequent.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/441236-post4.html

Yup. New thread - same crappola.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

LOL. No response about the minorities in CA-TX-NM-AZ, proves it so far. What is the SuperHero trying avoid?

This kind of reasoning is an example of the Argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument to ignorance) logical fallacy. Just because something can be proven false doesn't make it true. Just because I did not post on that thread, doesn't prove that I am anti-white. Show actual evidence, or retract.

I gave my three agenda points; what's your agenda? The destroyer of extremists? That great middle of the Road guy? No such thing. Name your agenda on what your trying to promote here.

Your thread, your agenda. State it so we all know it.

Defend what? What posts are you talking about? Sure Judaism has extremists and not all see the same way in their general religion--my main gist is in what the Talmud gives; what all the Jews really believe or think I haven't a clue--but yes, some take a literal interpretation of the Talmud especially in the more Traditional sects.

So people who don't say anything postive about Muslims are what? Anti-Muslim? Nothing Positive about White Christians are what? Anti-White Christian? Should I go through every DP member and see if they have said something positive about every race and religion and label them to your stereotypes? Childish. I realize your upset because you thought you were just going to post and prove it all wrong easily and logically--sometimes we just bite off more than we can chew. 2wave:

Still avoiding my question/challenge I see. Or, are you unable to address it? You asked for a link. I provided it. I asked for either a link showing you are not anti-Semetic, one saying something postitive about Judaism, or an admission of anti-Semitism. Seems rather simple, and yet you are unable to do it. Why are you hiding, NSP? All your other drivel is an attempt to punt things away from your inability to address the issue, presented. I bet you thought you'd just drop this flame of a thread and not get challenged. Bit off a bit more then you could chew, eh?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Bingo! I remember that thread now. Another trolling effort by you. I also remember exposing your anti-Jewish agenda in Post #4....


http://www.debatepolitics.com/441236-post4.html

Yup. New thread - same crappola.

I felt no need to post on that troll thread, since you had slammed him so well.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

I provided it. I asked for either a link showing you are not anti-Semetic, one saying something postitive about Judaism, or an admission of anti-Semitism.

I'm not the one claiming:

DP superhero, destroyer of extremists, master of exposing the logicl fallacy,

You are. If one wants to claim or give the impression he/she is just so middle road and so cool/fair to all --then they have to give evidence for it. You can call me anti-Mainstream Judeo Christianity, anti-Buddist, Anti-Mormon.

Just because I did not post on that thread, doesn't prove that I am anti-white. Show actual evidence, or retract.

:spin:
You don't need to post on that thread---post your position on it right here--but you knew that. Good avoidance though--show actual evidence or retract that your not anti-white on those White minorities in CA-TX-NM-AZ. How many times have you avoided this one? Tashah also.

My position stands. Every ancient religious text has violent, contradictory, xenophobic statements

But if someone puts the Talmud verses down--then they can be labeled anti-semite. How quaint.

Let's then call any post/thread about pedophiles in the Catholic Church--anti-Catholic, let's not talk or post about them. Let's not talk about some Mormon's believing in that blacks are the seed of the devil via Cain--that would be anti-Mormon. Let's not talk about a Christian sect called Identity, since some of them believe that the Jews are the literal descendants of Cain via the devil. In fact anything to do with extremist views or acts we shouldn't post at all since then this might reflect bad on stereotyping that particular segment of people associated with it. Stop posting on those Insurgents blowing up civilians or cutting heads off, stop posting about a soldier or two who killed a civilian; stop talking about pro-athletes on steroids because that might taint the other pro-athletes. So CC let's start posting this logic--I will let you lead the way and see how far you don't get.

I felt no need to post on that troll thread, since you had slammed him so well

. But I thought you said your the exposer of the logical fallacy? No one presented no facts/info contrary to the evidence given in that thread. All you need to do is call a post a Troll thread and your logical fallacy theory is safe?--lol. Why do you Troll post here? It's apparent--you can talk of destroyer of the extremists, exposer of the logical fallacy--but walking it is another question.

Tashah has some unanswered questions she has avoided and I will give you one CC; if I have on my desk and have used for quotes in various posts a: Talmud, KJV of the Bible, Mein Kempf, Federalist Papers, Humanist Manifesto, 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto, Koran in just the last week--what does that make me?? I can feel the stereotypes already creeping in.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I'm not the one claiming: You are. If one wants to claim or give the impression he/she is just so middle road and so cool/fair to all --then they have to give evidence for it. You can call me anti-Mainstream Judeo Christianity, anti-Buddist, Anti-Mormon.

Sorry...you made the claim that I am anti-white in an earlier post. You stated it, you show evidence to back it. Once you do, I'll address it. As I stated, not posting on the other thread does nothing for your argument; using that is a logical fallacy.

:spin:
You don't need to post on that thread---post your position on it right here--but you knew that. Good avoidance though--show actual evidence or retract that your not anti-white on those White minorities in CA-TX-NM-AZ. How many times have you avoided this one? Tashah also.

See above. You stated it, you prove it. Until you do, addressing it feeds into your baiting.

But if someone puts the Talmud verses down--then they can be labeled anti-semite. How quaint.

You have still failed to respond to my challenge. You questioned me and asked for a link. I did. I then asked the same of you, or the admission of your agenda. You have completely avoided this at all costs. Why? What are you afaid of NSP?

Let's then call any post/thread about pedophiles in the Catholic Church--anti-Catholic, let's not talk or post about them. Let's not talk about some Mormon's believing in that blacks are the seed of the devil via Cain--that would be anti-Mormon. Let's not talk about a Christian sect called Identity, since some of them believe that the Jews are the literal descendants of Cain via the devil. In fact anything to do with extremist views or acts we shouldn't post at all since then this might reflect bad on stereotyping that particular segment of people associated with it. Stop posting on those Insurgents blowing up civilians or cutting heads off, stop posting about a soldier or two who killed a civilian; stop talking about pro-athletes on steroids because that might taint the other pro-athletes. So CC let's start posting this logic--I will let you lead the way and see how far you don't get.

You're ranting is giving off the impression of irritation. Sorry this exchange is doing that to you. Nowhere have I stated that not posting any of the above things is acceptable. I have stated that I will expose these things as extremist, when I can.

. But I thought you said your the exposer of the logical fallacy? No one presented no facts/info contrary to the evidence given in that thread. All you need to do is call a post a Troll thread and your logical fallacy theory is safe?--lol. Why do you Troll post here? It's apparent--you can talk of destroyer of the extremists, exposer of the logical fallacy--but walking it is another question.

Seems as if you're upset at the response you got fon the other thread. Tashah exposed your agenda, there, and I suppose that didn't sit well with you. Here, you have refused to respond to anything put to you, instead using avoidance to try to spin things away from your agenda. This seems to be the sticking point to preventing the debate from moving forward.

Tashah has some unanswered questions she has avoided and I will give you one CC; if I have on my desk and have used for quotes in various posts a: Talmud, KJV of the Bible, Mein Kempf, Federalist Papers, Humanist Manifesto, 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto, Koran in just the last week--what does that make me?? I can feel the stereotypes already creeping in.

My question remains unanswered, so here it is, again. Post one link to a DP post of yours showing you are not anti-Semetic, one saying something postitive about Judaism, or an admission of anti-Semitism. I still await your answer.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

My question remains unanswered, so here it is, again. Post one link to a DP post of yours showing you are not anti-Semetic, one saying something postitive about Judaism, or an admission of anti-Semitism. I still await your answer.

I know how it feels to have questions unanswered--you cannot show one thread defending the minorities in TX-AZ-NM-AZ, nor do you want to confront it--avoidance; because your anti-white and have a racist agenda and try to troll out of the problem you have dug for yourself in which you thought wasn't going to happen in this thread. Sure, you can say I'm anti-Talmud; but your ignorant Orwellian programmed meaning of anti-semitic which you promote is well described in The Good Jew/Bad Jew Paradigm Th

However, when it comes to Jews, the "left" (for lack of a better term) always tries to seek favor with some Jews and disassociate itself from the "right," lest the person be viewed as--gasp!--a "racist, anti-Semite" (not excluding true Semites who may be accused of such, and despite the fact that many Jews are obviously not Semitic). The atypical argument with which many are often presented is, "I have a Jewish friend or I like Jews more than you do, so your arguments are null and void--not nearly as important or worldly as mine."

Nowhere have I stated that not posting any of the above things is acceptable.

I get it. Posting on those things are acceptable because no one has an agenda on those--but this thread is just an agenda--tell me how one should present a thread about the Talmud verses to your liking? Use the talmud verses given in a smooth & non-confrontational manner on what you would consider to be a unfoolish post about this topic.

....impression of irritation. Sorry this exchange is doing that to you.

On the contrary, this makes the thread stay on top of the Religion and Philosophy section and I know I have a post to do--it's motivating. That's what a Seal is. More views = more exposure of the Talmud. Thank you.

This seems to be the sticking point to preventing the debate from moving forward.

Then let me help you move on: War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity

Alexander Jakobson - HAARETZ: A DEGRADING MEMORIAL - 'The question is whether the ultra-Orthodox public in Israel, including its leaders and its spokesmen, is prepared to rid itself entirely of THE VIEW THAT NON-JEWS ARE NOT REALLY HUMAN BEINGS.'
The author is definitely courageous, but he limits his criticism to the observant Orthodox Jews who just implement the teachings of the TALMUD (Mischnah and Gemarah), a collection of the most extreme hate literature in the history of mankind, responsible for causing endless sufferings to Jews and non-Jews alike for several millennia. Needless to say, criticizing the dehumanizing teachings of the Talmud brings an instantaneous accusation of being anti-Semitic, a very ironic misnomer, given the fact that in Palestine and Israel almost all of the Semitic people are Arabic. The SEPHARAZIM or the Semitic Jews represent only 6% of the world Jewry, while 94% of all Jews, the ASHKENAZIM, are as Aryan as the Germans or the Turks, their forefathers in the Khazar Empire. - 19 August 2006

Shulamit Aloni - HAARETZ: LOSING GOD'S IMAGE - A very powerful indictment of the so-called "Jewish religion" by a very courageous Jewish writer. Read about the Israeli rabbis who make "halakhik decisions" (halakha is the Jewish Law) stating it is perfectly all right to kill non-Jewish (goim) civilians, men, women and children and to rob or destroy their property, which is what the Israeli army is doing with impunity using U.S. made weapon systems, fully paid by the idiotic American taxpayers like you and me, courtesy of the criminal U.S. politicians.
Let me quote from one of the "luminaries", Rabbi Israel Hess: "WE ARE ALL OBLIGATED TO CARRY OUT THE GENOCIDE OF THE PALESTINIANS". Are you surprised? You shouldn't be, since their "halakhic decisions" are in accordance with the teachings of the TALMUD (Mischnah and Gemarah). This is why the Universal Church ordered the Talmud to be burnt at stake several times in the last five centuries. - 19 September 2006

Do Not Censor the Talmud, Please

The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) hosts a page on their website with the following official statement:

Censorship is not the answer to hate on the Internet. ADL supports the free speech guarantees embodied in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, believing that the best way to combat hateful speech is with more speech.
— Ant-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (20)

Surely the ADL intended to write "true speech" rather than "more speech." Given the fragmentary quotes from the Talmud found on the Internet, some of which are excerpted from unauthorized translations, wouldn't the ADL's best course be to distribute the Soncino Talmud widely? It is fully authorized, widely acclaimed, accurate, scholarly, and rabbi-approved. The entire set should be in every public library in the US, right next to all those copies of the Bible.

And what else is strange on how so many hypocrites call white movement books like the Turner Diaries, 88 Reasons, White Manifesto, etc., as hate literature but when they here about certain Talmudic verses cry, "anti-semitism." Orwellian programmed response. Just like CC. CC does that mean if you say something negative about those White Power books, that means your anti-white because you can call anti-Talmudites, "anti-semitic?" With your logic yes. And that's why you avoided my "quotes in various posts" questions. Racism is alive and well.

… the Talmud … is one of the great classical writings of human civilization — enduring, influential, nourishing. The Talmud claims its place among the most successful pieces of writing in the history of humanity, along with the Bible, Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Politics, the Koran, and a very few other writings.
— Rabbi Dr. Jacob Neusner

The Talmud is undoubtedly one of the most remarkable literary productions of all times. It is an encyclopedia covering the whole scene of human life. It is almost impossible to convey to one who has not spent years in the study of this complex work an idea of its true nature, as even the most exact translations cannot catch the inner spirit of the Talmud.
— Herschel Revel, for The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia

If the Bible is the cornerstone of Judaism, then the Talmud is the central pillar, soaring up from the foundations and supporting the entire spiritual and intellectual edifice.
— Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz (1)

The Talmud is one of the wonders of the world. It still dominates the minds of a whole people, who venerate its contents as divine truth.
— Rabbi Michael L. Rodkinson

Tryreading:

This same type of thread is started pretty regularly to ridicule Christianity and Islam, and Mormonism. I don't know much about the Jewish religion, but it probably deserves equal time.

That's right. But:

CC: Every ancient religious text has violent, contradictory, xenophobic statements. Your presenting the Talmud, here is agenda-driven. No different then one who is anti-Muslim posting quotes form the Quran.

Nowhere have I stated that not posting any of the above things is acceptable

So it is acceptable and agenda driven at the same time? You got to keep track on what you have already posted. Who is this great Judge that can determine what is agenda driven and what is fact? Show me.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

More boring, foolish rhetoric, NSP. You continue to try to bait me, and yet you continue to fail at that. You still have not answered the question. Why is that? Are you unwilling? Are you fearful that if you either cannot provide a link or if you are forced to admit your true position, that you entire premise and all the arguments that go with it will become irrelevant, nothing more than the blathering of a bigotted, prejudicial, anti-Semite? Why do you refuse to come out from hiding? Are you ashamed?

There is but one way to move on from here. Debate works like this. You presented a challenge. I produced evidence. I presented a challenge. You have continued to dodge and avoid. Once more for your indulgence, I will ask. Post one link to a DP post of yours showing you are not anti-Semetic, one saying something postitive about Judaism, or an admission of anti-Semitism. I still await your answer.

 

[The face of Jacob]

I would like to ask NSP:

How many Jews are you familiar with that are going in the streets of your city and waving the Talmud preaching death and murder whilst quoting sentences from it?

How many Jews are you familiar with that are saying to you in the streets of your city that they are superior to you?

You want to hint that all the Palestinians who are getting killed are so because of the "instigations in the Talmud"? which are done by Ultra - Orthodox? Is this what you wish to hint?

I have news for you!

Ultra Orthodox Jews don't go to the army. They are too busy in learning Torah (by the way, the Torah allows the ones who learn Torah to replace their military duty in learning!) and the "poor Palestinians" who are "getting slaughter by Israel" are not getting slaughter because of your mistaken knowledge of the Talmud (and also Shulamit Alony's mistaken knowledge) but because they are nothing but enemies who come to kill Israelis:

Terrorist carrying explosive belt shot dead

Security forces open fire at Palestinian attempting to infiltrate Israel from nothern Gaza Strip. Military sources: Belt was ready to be activated; terrorist's body transferred back to Gaza Full article inside

IAF kills 2 Islamic Jihad members in Gaza

IDF helicopter strikes vehicles carrying two senior Islamic Jihad members in Gaza neighborhood; one of those killed was expert al-Quds rocket maker Full article inside

5 Hamas gunmen killed in Gaza

First IAF strike kills two men in Rafah; two activists killed in second strike on their car in Gaza City, later gunman killed in third strike targeting gunmen approaching border Full article inside

IDF kills 7 Hamas gunmen in north Gaza

In overnight operations troops strike building occupied by Hamas members after gunmen fire anti-tank missile at soldiers. Meanwhile in southern Gaza, air force strikes building used as cover for tunnel-digging; no one wounded Full article inside

IDF kills al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades senior operative

(VIDEO) IDF infantry brigade kill 2 gunmen in Nablus, identifies one as wanted senior operative responsible for dozens of explosive belts and attempts to send explosive vehicles to Israel Full article inside

IDF kills Palestinian in southern Gaza

Ayman Sifi, 22, was killed by IDF fire in Dahaniyeh neighborhood in southern Gaza; IDF says soldiers opened fire on two gunmen spotted advancing towards troops operating in area Full article inside

IDF kills three Islamic Jihad operatives in Gaza

Three Islamic Jihad operatives were killed in two separate incidents in the Gaza Strip on Thursday. In addition, two Kassam rockets were fired at communities in the western Negev. No one was wounded and no damage was caused. Full articke inside

Would-be suicide bomber killed near Karni crossing

A suicide attack was thwarted late Tuesday night when IDF troops shot and killed a Palestinian wearing an explosives belt when he tried infiltrating into Israel from the Gaza Strip. Full article inside

IDF kills wanted suspect near Jenin

Palestinian opened fire on IDF forces surrounding his home Full article inside

Your nation has killed much more of her enemies than the couple of thousands of Arabs of our enemies that we killed. So maybe your nation has something similar to the Talmud but rather longer book?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Great post, Jacob, but debating NSP is futile. He refuses to answer my simple question for fear of a) showing he can't or b) showing what he is.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

We all have an agenda--if you know of one media outlet that doesn't and one DP poster that doesn't, one politician that doesn't then show me and don't cry "your this and that." The term "anti-semite" is a term the lame use to excuse themselves when the evidence and facts they have are non-existent. Nobody cares if your anti-white, heck alot of people are--but the emotional programming isn't heavy on that. Can someone call me anti-Jew? No, I don't hate every single Jew; do you hate every single white? Am I anti-Zionist and anti-Talmud? Yes. I have come forward, please come forward on why your not anti-white or are anti-white.

I still await your answer.

Likewise.

Post one link to a DP post of yours showing you are not anti-Semetic, one saying something postitive about Judaism, or an admission

The same old troll drivel--your the one claiming:

DP superhero, destroyer of extremists, master of exposing the logicl fallacy,

I'm not--you pretend to have no agenda and yet you cannot name one person or organization w/o a agenda.

How many Jews are you familiar with that are going in the streets of your city and waving the Talmud preaching death and murder whilst quoting sentences from it?

Study up. Some religions don't promote to others--keep it internal.

How many Jews are you familiar with that are saying to you in the streets of your city that they are superior to you?

Don't recall anyone of any religion or race saying their superior. You?

You want to hint that all the Palestinians who are getting killed are so because of the "instigations in the Talmud"? which are done by Ultra - Orthodox? Is this what you wish to hint?

LOL. People can kill with or without a religion--though some will justify it with a religion--tell me, I'm not Jewish.

I have news for you!

Ultra Orthodox Jews don't go to the army.

Plenty of religous sects in America are exempt from a draft also. Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, B.Graham don't fight either--plenty follow.

but because they are nothing but enemies who come to kill Israelis:

I was curious where the punch line was going to lead, at least I know where CC stands on the Palestinian and Israel issue.

Great post, Jacob, but debating NSP is futile.

You see, CC agrees with your post.

Your nation has killed much more of her enemies than the couple of thousands of Arabs of our enemies that we killed. So maybe your nation has something similar to the Talmud but rather longer book?

Actually, you made more sense in this one paragraph than CC did in all of his agenda ridden posts. But if you want to call US the good guy it would be wise not to bring this up; as you see I just did a post in the Breaking News section on the Jesus revelation.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/18375-raising-titanic-sinking-christianity-3.html

1. The majority of Christians are Christians because they have been raised into this religion and because it's socially acceptable.

2. Governments need a catalyst of why the people should be obedient and subservient to Govt. and the Church business takes care of that.

3. People don't want to be told they are wrong and what they have been doing isn't Biblical. As one major example: Jesus wasn't born on Xmas, nor anything in the Bible about celebrating birthday parties but you will hear that it's tradition and it doesn't matter any way because it's good for the secular material expenditure of gifts--of course your not going to hear it presented like that--but that's what people physically do and what you do is what makes you--not a label. Americans love labels.

4. People believe in many frauds of all shapes and forms. Are they seeking to shape themselves up? Even when a massive information (www) piece is at their fingertips? No. Like DP posters they need to defend a particular position they have cornered themselves into.

If this is true it should change the face of mainstream Judeo Christianity via the American Public though they never were real Christians by action anyway and don't want to be told what to believe--even if true. No. Nothing will happen

As you see Face of Jacob we have a religion called Secular Material Humanism which we label and guise as CHristianity. Why cannot I find a Talmud in the public Library system, whose trying to hide what? Why the censorship?

 

[EAGLE1]

Lol this has been a great thread. Well done NSP.

As my old dad said about the Germans.... "they dont like it up em!"

 

[The face of Jacob]

"When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves." -Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D

"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl." -&ad. Shas. 2:2

17. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." -Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan 9ruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

I asked Israelis (in an Israeli religious forum) who have more info than me regarding your sentences that you took by copy & paste method from another websites. This is what they answered to me:

The first sentence isn't from the Talmud at all. Shimon Hadarshan was a Rabbi who lived couple of hundreds years ago and the Talmud was sealed about 2000 years ago. It's not true that when the Messiah will come then every Jew will have 2800 slaves. The one who says such things is a liar. The explanation for it is very simple: When all the Jews, as a general society, will come back to their initial condition - to a complete and to a whole worship of G-d (Avodat HaShem) then all the gentiles will wish to be in connection with them, will wish to be in a connection to the wonderful people of this nation in the name of "the nation of Israel" and they will wish to work with the Jews and they will aspire to have as much as connections with them and they will aspire to work in the houses of the Jews and maybe even without no money, just to have some connection to Jews. Nobody will turn them into slaves, nobody will force them to work with the Jews. They themselves will aspire to work with the Jews.

Regarding the other 2 sentences that he copy & paste: there are no origin to these sentences, in other words: they are fake and not true ones. A Jew isn't allowed to have sexual relations with gentile girls, let alone to violate a gentile girl, from where did he make up this nonsence?

Regarding the third sentence, this is also not true, in the Shulchan Aruch it's written very clearly that Jew isn't allowed to employ gentile women, let alone to "treat her as he treats a piece of meat", it's lies, it's not true. Since when a Jew has rights to treat other people, Jews or non Jews in this manner?

Another person have told me:

The anti-semite that copied these sentences has no knowledge and he doesn't understand. In the Torah and in the Halacha there are many sentences that "don't look good" (see "eye for an eye"...below). There are anti-semites and athiests that all their essence in their life is to write down these kind of sentences and to spread them arround. You will never get done with them. Correct explanations are in the hands of the rabbis and in the hands of their scholar students. There are clear rules which are known to the rabbis regarding the interpretation of the Torah. Not everybody can take it and interpret "as it suits for him". Even in order to understand the book of laws of USA you need to learn years in University, and not everyone who reads in the book of laws can decide what's a law, let alone when you talk about the Torah. The laws to understand the Torah were received to Moses by G-d, in mount Sinai, sentences are being depend upon other sentences, it's a huge puzzle and untill the parts of the puzzle are not located in the correct way - you can't get the whole picture. And I didn't even mention the fact that there is no such thing as "extra words" in the Torah, each word has a significance and also the order of location of the sentences. You can miss a lot by trying to learn it by yourself. For example, the sentence "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" - many people think that it's about revenge. But it's not. It's about money compensations. Rabbis can teach you why it's about money compensations and not about revenge. They have the tools to understand from other near sentences that it's about money compensations.

NSP, you are not into a scientific or serious debate. You are just showing your utter hatred to Jews in the posts that you made in this thread.

 

[The face of Jacob]

I have just recieved another update from another Jewish scholar regarding the first sentence. The origin of it is from Zechariah Chapter 8:23

Thus saith the LORD of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'

As I said before, in the future, people from all the nations will come from their own will (not as slaves) in order to help the Jews because of the knowing and the understanding that G-d is with them.

"even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew" - the reference is only to Jews that fulfill the commandment of wearing Tzitzit.

2800 = Because there are 70 nations in the world, 10 people from every nation. 70 nations*10 people=700 people*4 wings of the Tzitzit=2800 people.

Anyway, you can see from the words of the prophet that they will come from their own will.

There is no change regarding the last 2 sentences that NSP copied. They are false.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

OK, thanks to FOJ's posts, I have done my own research. Let us take a look at each of NSP's original quotes. Claim is that these are each Talmudic quotes that show the true nature of Judaism.

1. "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves." -Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D

There is no such book in the Talmud. It is the name of a 10th century Bible commentator. The fol. 56-D is an invention.

"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl." -&ad. Shas. 2:2

This source does not exist. Sexual contact with one who is non-Jewish is forbidden regardless of marriage.

17. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." -Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan 9ruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

Here the wording is altered to change the meaning. It really means that "a man may do whatever he pleases with his wife" i.e. not only use the missionary position. The non-Jewess stuff is a fabrication. The sentence
about a "piece of meat" is a dishonest paraphrase masquerading as a
quotation. The Gemara goes on to give a parable that implies that just
as a butcher shop prepares meat in different ways, a man may use various
positions, etc. The idea is not to *treat someone* "like a piece of meat."

The other 'Talmudic' quotes on this thread are ALL fabrications or misrepresentations. I found examples of them posted on many Aryan, revisionist, anti-semetic, and white supremicist websites and message boards.

The corrections and refutations of these lies are cited and exposed in these links:

Falsifiers of the Talmud
falsify
Response 1

As far as I'm concerned this is an intentional act, by NSP, to discredit Judaism and to spread false information whose only purpose is to further a message of hate.

Because of that...

Moderator's Warning:

The continued posting of falsified information discrediting a religion whose intent is to degrade and incite hatred is a violation of Rule 18. Hate Messages. For this behavior, you have earned a suspension.

I would like to publicly thank FOJ for the information he provided.

 

[The face of Jacob]

Your welcome, Captain. The links you provided about the Falsifiers of the Talmud are wonderful. My 4075 :shock: links in my favorites folder will be happy to welcome them.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Your initial post spurred me. The amount of talmudic falsification on anti-semetic/Aryan/revisionist websites is staggering. The lies they speak attempt to discredit an ancient and important text with no purpose but to degrade Judaism and spread their hatred of Jews. Disgusting. At least one has been exposed. Thank you, again.

 

[The face of Jacob]

I thank you again, and not only I.

The memebrs in the Israeli forum where I been answered will be very happy to hear that a good Jewish friend of mine and of Israel, like you, have contributed alot to the tearing of the mask of misleading and illusion.

Here's the Jewish Patriot Logo that I give to people who stand by Israel, you are the first in this forum to receive it:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I thank you again, and not only I.

The memebrs in the Israeli forum where I been answered will be very happy to hear that a good Jewish friend of mine and of Israel, like you, have contributed alot to the tearing of the mask of misleading and illusion.

Here's the Jewish Patriot Logo that I give to people who stand by Israel, you are the first in this forum to receive it:

I thank you, sir. I am truly honored. In recognition of this, and to show support for Israel, I will use this as my Avatar for the next 24 hours, on all Jewish holidays, and at other times when support for Israel needs to be shown.

 

[EAGLE1]

Oh lordy. I mean exposing made up stuff in order to assist debate is one thing. But accepting some gift from one side and pledging to always support Israel on these debates is quite another. Disappointing really.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Oh lordy. I mean exposing made up stuff in order to assist debate is one thing. But accepting some gift from one side and pledging to always support Israel on these debates is quite another. Disappointing really.

Where did I use the word 'always'? Didn't. Check my posting history to see if I 'always' support Israel.